Hey gore & suzuki - get a load of this ya dorks

[canwhitewolf]

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[Bubbaganoosh]

all this misdiagnosis on climate change is going to cost us peons our grocery money. just wait until the greemies get a bill for a couple thousand dollars for driving their "older car" that'll be sweet...this whole thing is like a new religion but in this case you wont be accepted if you disagree. humans are causing the equilvalent of the thickness of the linoleum on the bottom floor of a 100 story building but we are going to be paying through the nose for all this process of abiguity and shoved down our throats as facts


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In the March, 2008 issue of Physics Today, West, the chief scientist of the Army Research Office's mathematical and information science directorate, wrote that "the Sun’s turbulent dynamics" are linked with the Earth's complex ecosystem. These connections are what is heating up the planet. "The Sun could account for as much as 69 percent of the increase in Earth’s average temperature," unquote


http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/06/a ... lobal.html

I think you are onto something, could the sun really be responsible for climate change on earth? - no,no say it aint so

[Bubbaganoosh]

Not to mention stories like the following. I have never heard of snow in the southern interior in June, that is pretty much unheard of.

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/ ... a6f45fda02

[corporate joe]

People are much better at using pieces information to justify their beliefs, than they are at forming their beliefs based on information. In other words, instead of processing all the information and then forming an opinion, some people here form an opinion and then look for the information to support it (stop and think about that one for a second).

[canwhitewolf]

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[the_professor]

People are much better at using pieces information to justify their beliefs, than they are at forming their beliefs based on information. In other words, instead of processing all the information and then forming an opinion, some people here form an opinion and then look for the information to support it (stop and think about that one for a second).

Spoken exactly the same way as the squeegee kid downtown.

"Hey man.... you just have to use the information man..."

[the_professor]

there is climate change theres no doubt about that at all,

There's ALWAYS BEEN climate change. It is not something Al Gore invented (like the Internet), nor is it new. It has always happened, and it will always happen. There is nothing man can do to change that.

The sooner we realize that we cannot play God, the better.

[87Strat]

We humans are nothing more than a speck of sh## on the bottom of the the universes left shoe. At any time mother earth can unleash a series of "cleanses" to shake a few of us off. Things that the lefty media will very quickly make you inconveniently forget about global warming, or climate change, or whatever buzzword they're using now! Earthquakes, supervolcanoes, asteroids, you name it, earth can open a can of whoop ass at any moment. Some of us still have problems controlling our bowels let alone the climate. Give your fricken heads a shake. I want you all to take a snap shot of this moment and remind these idiots when all science finally recognizes that the huge barely in control reactor we call the sun just might be throwing a little more warmth our way.

It's absurd to think that our great species is in control of our destiny. We're only one link away from slinging our sh## with the rest of the monkeys in the cage. It's like when wildlife lovers try to save a certain species of critter from extinction, like we have the right to control evolution. It's evolution, we're not immune from it, we are part of the process, and one day we'll be heading there too, so enjoy you're little play time here, and spend those would be carbon dollars on beer.

[Rockie]

Who ever suggested we can control the climate?

The thing environmentalists and climatologists are trying to get through to us is that we are contributing to it in a negative way and that we have to change what we're doing. Global warming is a measurable fact as is our contribution to it. Maybe we can't put exact numbers to it, but people who jump all over the mistakes as if they discredit the whole science are only justifying their own belief rather than looking at the big picture objectively. Thankfully those people are now a minority in the developed world. The tough nut to crack will be the undeveloped and developing world. But you have to start somewhere and it's up to us to invent better ways of doing things.

[Topspin]

Who ever suggested we can control the climate?

The thing environmentalists and climatologists are trying to get through to us is that we are contributing to it in a negative way and that we have to change what we're doing. Global warming is a measurable fact as is our contribution to it. Maybe we can't put exact numbers to it, but people who jump all over the mistakes as if they discredit the whole science are only justifying their own belief rather than looking at the big picture objectively. Thankfully those people are now a minority in the developed world. The tough nut to crack will be the undeveloped and developing world. But you have to start somewhere and it's up to us to invent better ways of doing things.

Well Rockie, based on the fact that you are the only one on a two page thread agreeing with the alarmism of "Global warming" I think that people that disagree are not in the minority in the western world.

[Rockie]

Well Topspin, alarmism is a word I would associate more with an meteor wiping out all life on earth tomorrow, or an earthquake causing California to fall into the ocean on Thursday. Global warming is more of a long term problem that has such insidious consequences that people like you and the professor can't seem to see them. The other thing is, do you really think these two pages of an aviation forum thread are an accurate representation of public opinion?

[Topspin]

I believe statistically speaking this represents a very good sample of the populace. Especially a group of aviators that have a much broader knolwedge & appreciation of weather than the average citizen. Especially the average citizen that gets bombarded with TV ad's & Newspaper articles & new laws & taxes. "Well if the government/David Suzuki/X Scientist says it and its on TV then it must be true."

I would bet every dollar I will earn in my entire life that 1/2 of the people that say they accept the theory of global warming have know idea what the cause, effect, and solutions really are.

[canwhitewolf]

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[canwhitewolf]

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[Rockie]

"Are humans the major factor in the current warming trend? Maybe, maybe not. But what can’t be disputed is that humans are polluting the planet. Current and future weather conditions do not change the fact that using oil and coal for energy isn’t a good long-term idea. The need for cleaner energy, cleaner air and cleaner water has never been greater. The widespread call for better handling of resources, and habitat protection doesn’t change with the thermometer."

This is a terrific quote from an article linked to the one above. It is true that the earth could shrug, or some cosmic event like a giant asteroid or the sun going nova could end the global warming debate pretty decisively, but we have no control over those things. We do have control over what we do to the planet ourselves. Continuing to abuse our little piece of the universe is pretty irresponsible especially since we have nowhere else to go last time I checked.

[canwhitewolf]

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[Rockie]

Agreed.

Carbon tax credits, or penalties or whatever you want to call them are a shell game.

[sirtate]

i agree that 'we' should be polluting less, and hugging trees more... however, at what cost...

Carbon dioxide is a byproduct of any form of respiration... we all exhale it... it is caused by fermentation.... the act of making wine, beer, spirits releases it...

from what i have read, i understand that the world is getting warmer... fine. i will not dispute that...

my grade 5 science class 30odd (shudder) years ago taught me that warm water cannot hold as much gas in solution as cold water... ergo: active fish like cold water, and slow, dopey garbage fish swim in warm stagnant water...

i will dissent to the man made global warming discussion... on the basis that Mars (the planet) is warming also... polar ice caps are shrinking, average global temps have increased by roughly the same fraction of a degree as Earth's have...

the radiation released by Jupiter has increased (more heat)....

could it be that the Sun has cranked up its BTU emissions?
could it be that the increased heat radiated on the planet have caused the oceans to warm up, and in doing so they can't hold as much CO2 and THAT, not your SUV has caused the increase in CO2 in the air....

remember, water is a better greenhouse gas than Methane, CO2 or Freon...


check this link out, it talks how the North American Economy (and western Europe, by association) has transmorgified into an unstable BOOM/BUST cycle... can we guess what the next sector of the economy is to BOOM next, after Real Estate?

this from the oldest Left Wing Pinko rag in the states....

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/02/0081908


Maybe this Hysteria is all part of a Master Plan....

[Cat Driver]

What we need to do is be like Al Gore, use about 200 times as much energy as the average North American then we can find if it is humans who are causing the warming trend a lot faster.

[North Shore]

It's like when wildlife lovers try to save a certain species of critter from extinction, like we have the right to control evolution.

Laughable, if it wasn't so deluded... Every group of 'wildlife lovers' that I've ever heard of are trying to save species from going extinct due to human action, not the process of evolution. A quick look back at the Dodo, the passenger Pigeon, plains buffalo etc shows a clear pattern of human-caused extinction. The few rearguard actions that are being fought: Whales, Vanc.Isl. marmot, and Spotted Owl come to mind instantly, again come down to human exploitation/overexploitation - nothing to do with evolution..

[87Strat]

Time to dig out the crayons and colour a picture for some of the children, and you might want to sit down, because you’re probably going to get a little light headed.

The adults here are talking about the evolution of the planet. I agree, we are causing the extinction of other species who are also renters on the planet. So what!! I’ll say it again, we are not the landlords here, we are tenants and part of the system, not in control of it. You know, circle of life kind of stuff, and you have to look beyond the little picture. I love the pompous, elitist, god-like (small g intentional) attitude that has us believe that the species with the big brain and opposable thumbs have been given the keys to this planet. We’re a parasite. Yes, we are polluting the place up, and like a good tenant should take out the trash and try to leave it in a better condition than we found it, but there are 6 billion parasites and counting. Majority rules. The majority is going to continue making all the other creatures around us go away, and one day our turn will come. Big lizards used to run the place, and if they had brains, I’m pretty sure they were feeling pretty good about their chances. But hey, god smote them.

The universe and this planet are unaware our existence. Earth has been through many dramatic changes and I can guarantee that your cozy little life, house, girlfriend, wife, family, and soy mocha café on every corner mean absolutely nothing to the cold reality of nature. We do have a little learning as a species, but it’s all pre-school stuff, like your defence of what the rearguard is doing to save flipper, while a fellow species/parasite living in Bangladesh, doesn’t register on the rearguards meter. Little Johnny wants a whale!!

Go to any zoo this weekend and look at the world these guys are trying to preserve. The real monkeys are outside the cages looking in. Greasy obese fingers poking at the “wildlife”, while changing shit filled diapers and leaving them on the curb. Yep, that’s the direction we’re going. Remember 6 billion and rising. You want to do something about the environment smartass? Start issuing licenses for couples that want to reproduce. Do you think the third world countries that are starving give a shit about co2 emissions?

So yes, try to be a good tenant, but realize we have no rights or control over what we parasites can do to, or for this planet. It’s big, and I mean big picture stuff, but most of you have your little pink blinkers on. Little Johnny wants to save the planet from himself. Yes, we are going make a mess of things, because we’re one tiny moment in earth time from when we were in our diapers, and then one tiny earth moment later, we’ll be gone. So....

Don’t dare increase my taxes to sacrifice at the alter of a new religion that says I must pay more to be a good tenant. I’m already trying to do that, but I have no control over the other 5,999,999,999 parasites. Nor do I have control over nature who might at any moment change the face of our planet, and our little cozy insignificant existence.

I watched the gore (small g intentional) thing the other day, and the arrogance and certainty of his argument nearly had me convinced, until he jumped into his motorcade of SUV’s after his sermon. Oh well, he’s a parasite like the rest of us after all. The modern day moses, who’s come down from the mount and, and, and, phhhht....