Sorry, Harry, no. Maybe you could have pointed out how trivial your need for this information was before we got all exercised over your education and trying to help you out.
Buy the guy his beer - you lose.
Training bond..
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Harry Hawker
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Thank you SGMS for your reply concerning this topic. It has been most informative and helpfull.
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"Hi Harry: I’ll try to answer a few questions, from my point of view. Any good training Captain can tell within the first couple of hours, whether you are going to cut the grade and CT you before they invest too much money in you. (They should be able to tell in the Grd School before they get you in the air!) (We do not enforce the training bond if you are CT’ed) We will not spend 15 hrs flight training, if you haven’t been able to handle the a/c by then; you are not going to be much help to the other pilot but also a very slow upgrade and therefore a liability. Part of the upgrade training costs people do not consider is the amount of time the Captain is training the FO on the duties and responsibilities he is to assume."
Well there you go, If they know in the first couple of hours, or even during ground school that you aren't going to cut it, why do they still want a bond. As for the "expense" of the training has to do with the time the cptn spends, what else is he going to do in the cockpit. WTF!!! What a lameass bullshit statement. Hey King Air captain, we know we are over paying you at $50k per year to fly a plane but we also want you to train someone for that money. Oh yeah, the secretary can't write that training syllabus right now, she only works 8 to 5 monday to friday making $40K and she is on a long weekend right now.
Come up with some real reasons for a bond. Like I stated in my last post, it's one thing for a newbie to pay for some type rating, but if I apply to your company, and I like the environment, I am staying. If you like my flying, you'l treat me right. Pretty simple concept!!
If your company can't screen people properly don't ask the rest of us to pay for your mistakes.
Personally, any employer I have worked for has appreciated and liked my abilities, work ethic and attitude. Why would I want to pay YOU to work there. How many good pilots are you missing out on with your policy.
Well there you go, If they know in the first couple of hours, or even during ground school that you aren't going to cut it, why do they still want a bond. As for the "expense" of the training has to do with the time the cptn spends, what else is he going to do in the cockpit. WTF!!! What a lameass bullshit statement. Hey King Air captain, we know we are over paying you at $50k per year to fly a plane but we also want you to train someone for that money. Oh yeah, the secretary can't write that training syllabus right now, she only works 8 to 5 monday to friday making $40K and she is on a long weekend right now.
Come up with some real reasons for a bond. Like I stated in my last post, it's one thing for a newbie to pay for some type rating, but if I apply to your company, and I like the environment, I am staying. If you like my flying, you'l treat me right. Pretty simple concept!!
If your company can't screen people properly don't ask the rest of us to pay for your mistakes.
Personally, any employer I have worked for has appreciated and liked my abilities, work ethic and attitude. Why would I want to pay YOU to work there. How many good pilots are you missing out on with your policy.
What little I do know is either not important or I've forgotten it!
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So how much extra do you pay your captains for the training and how many hours would the training take?Part of the upgrade training costs people do not consider is the amount of time the Captain is training the FO on the duties and responsibilities he is to assume."
We did initial type training on airplanes over 12,500 in six hours and recurrent was four hours.
Or am I missing something here and you are a training school for pilots with no knowledge or experience?
By the way as a former owner I understand the problem with pilots getting some hours on type and leaving with no notice...so some written agreement is fine as long as it is fair to both parties and no money is needed up front including the pilot having to use his line of credit to meet the bond.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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I have a somewhat unique situation. I have one month left in my 2 year bond. My company has taken my last cheque (which i am very much depending on) as payment for what was left.
Does anyone know the legality behind this? Can they do this?
I have asked for a breakdown of costs so i know what exactly i am owing for, and have explained my financial situation. I know other people in this company that have left with a month left and didn't have this happen. I have been a good hard working employee, and really haven't been making that good of money to be able to pay back this amount.
Does anyone know the legality behind this? Can they do this?
I have asked for a breakdown of costs so i know what exactly i am owing for, and have explained my financial situation. I know other people in this company that have left with a month left and didn't have this happen. I have been a good hard working employee, and really haven't been making that good of money to be able to pay back this amount.
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The short answer is no, your earning are yours and they cannot deduct anything other than EI, CPP, Taxes or approved donations or contributions. Nor can an employer withhold any earnings without your consent.
A call to the labor board in your region will produce the cheque in short order.
A call to the labor board in your region will produce the cheque in short order.
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Thanks for the information. I found this, but i have to look at the bond note because it think it may have said something about giving up my wages if i end the employment which is incredibly one sided and looking back something i would have never signed if i knew my rights (which i have learned my lesson about now). I think it's a good lesson for other people that are signing bonds that they should include or adjust there contracts to cover there butts on things like this.
I just think one month is really penny pinching (and on my wages leaves me no room to not be able to afford to give up 2 weeks of work so they can get there inflated training costs back), and i would have loved to have stayed until i fufiled the contract but matters beyond my control have pulled me away.
Deductions from Employee Earnings
The Employment Standards Code allows certain deductions to be made from employee earnings. These include legal deductions for Income Tax, Canada Pension Plan, Employment Insurance and Alberta Health Care premiums, as well as deductions resulting from a judgement or order of a court.
If an employer wants to make other deductions, written permission must first be obtained from the employee. Examples include deductions for company pension plans, dental plans, personal charges to company credit cards, and so on. Usually these deductions are discussed and permissions are provided before the employee starts their job.
There are some deductions that are not allowed, even with a written authorization from the employee. You cannot take deductions for faulty workmanship. Also, you may not deduct for cash shortages or loss of property where more than one person has access to the cash or property.
Statement of Employee Earnings
I just think one month is really penny pinching (and on my wages leaves me no room to not be able to afford to give up 2 weeks of work so they can get there inflated training costs back), and i would have loved to have stayed until i fufiled the contract but matters beyond my control have pulled me away.
Deductions from Employee Earnings
The Employment Standards Code allows certain deductions to be made from employee earnings. These include legal deductions for Income Tax, Canada Pension Plan, Employment Insurance and Alberta Health Care premiums, as well as deductions resulting from a judgement or order of a court.
If an employer wants to make other deductions, written permission must first be obtained from the employee. Examples include deductions for company pension plans, dental plans, personal charges to company credit cards, and so on. Usually these deductions are discussed and permissions are provided before the employee starts their job.
There are some deductions that are not allowed, even with a written authorization from the employee. You cannot take deductions for faulty workmanship. Also, you may not deduct for cash shortages or loss of property where more than one person has access to the cash or property.
Statement of Employee Earnings
