AC888

[lilfssister]

Been a while since I saw the details on the Transat thing, but didn't they land at the first available spot??????????????????????????

[Rockie]

no, didnt say that , i said that we have airline pilots today who cant tie their shoe laces !
Where is the wise pilot gone ? one who can rationally think and make right decisions ( remember Air transat and dead sticking it because they couldnt rationalize the POSSIBILITY that they were loosing fuel,,, land the plane and be a troubleshooter in the bar later ! )
Politics and ego s and poor attitudes and too much testosterone all contribute to stupid accidents !

I suppose every pilot in bygone years could tie their shoe laces?

Look, I'm not defending the Transat thing you mention, but you should really inform yourself of all the details before spouting off drivel like you're doing. You haven't answered my question about what qualifies you to judge any pilot.

[Jaques Strappe]

In the old days, when a man looses an engine on a SINGLE engine plane, he finds a landing spot and lands or he crashes and burns WHATEVER !

Exactly what Air Transat did.

Today, we have airline pilots who cant even tie their shoes right ( Air France overrun at CYYZ)

French pilots would not be caught dead wearing lace up Oxfords. They typically wear Prada slip ons. Easier to escape when the husband comes home.

A large twin CLIMBS well on a single engine !

Doesn't a DC3 at all up weight qualify as a large twin?

The level of ego and incompetence still outweighs all comprehension in my books!!

You might be right in some cases but the safety statistics of the industry may disagree.

[crazyaviator]

To answer questions , Rockie, what qualifies me? , im not qualifying myself ,,,the EVIDENCE is the qualification ! Lil sister, did they take the first available landing spot ? According to my sources, the improper fuel connection ( caused by poor/improper maintenances practices) and yes, im an AME also , produced an ongoing fuel loss right from the beginning and the pilots spent a large portion of the flight debating it AS airports went by ! Like the B707 ?, the pilots debated and troubleshot the landing gear lights over La Guardia and ran out of fuel whilst doing so !!!
The reference to DC-3 is not comparable to , say , a Boeing 757 , since a 757 Climbs well at gross weight !! Apples and oranges. Air transat messed up in the maintenance then the pilots messed up in not following procedures when there was ample evidence of excessive "fuel burn" Thankfully, the rubber ducky was pulled out of the hat and the plane made it to the Azores.
Some pilots couldnt tie their shoes in the 50 s either BUT it appears that basic airmanship is not as prevalent as it used to be ( Remember the german heavy that crashed in the Caribbean because the pitot was plugged and the captain just couldnt get it and fly the friggin plane and figure out the problem later ! ( Remember, as you climb , altimiter goes up , VSI goes up, speed goes down, well , on this flight All 3 instruments went up and the captain trusted only 1 instrument and didnt listen to the co-pilot either .

[Rockie]

Ah... In other words you are in no way qualified to make any judgement whatsoever on the skill level or competence of airline pilots today.

[Jaques Strappe]

crazyaviator

The Air Transat situation did not become evident until over the Atlantic. The crew did not overfly multiple airports while they were losing fuel.

The "German" aircraft you describe in the Caribbean was actually, Turkish.

Your blanket statements, while supported by a few select incidents, do not hold water when you look at statistical and factual data which indicates that incidents, accidents and flight safety in general, is better today than it was 50 years ago when, as you say, basic airmanship was more prevalent than it is today.

What you don't hear about are the scenarios like the American Eagle Embraer which suffered a jammed stabilizer in ORD pitching the nose vertical and the crew completed a succession of wing overs to bring the nose back below the horizon, temporarily giving them control each time before the nose went skyward again. After an initial miss, they landed safely. Why was it not publicized? Because there was no loss of life and no broken metal. Scenarios like this happen more than the public will ever know. Then there are the ones that are publicized......... How about the JetBlue 320 in LAX? United Airlines in Sioux City? Air Aloha? Singapore Airlines landing after a bomb went off in the cabin? These crews demonstrated excellent skill and airmanship.

How many potential incidents do you think are identified and eradicated by crews before they become issues daily? Far more than the attention getting accidents you are watching on TV.

As long as humans are involved in anything, mistakes will be made. That is not just limited to the aviation world.

[sugarfree]

o answer questions , Rockie, what qualifies me? , im not qualifying myself ,,,the EVIDENCE is the qualification ! Lil sister, did they take the first available landing spot ? According to my sources, the improper fuel connection ( caused by poor/improper maintenances practices) and yes, im an AME also , produced an ongoing fuel loss right from the beginning and the pilots spent a large portion of the flight debating it AS airports went by ! Like the B707 ?, the pilots debated and troubleshot the landing gear lights over La Guardia and ran out of fuel whilst doing so !!!

Who are u to judge the actions of the AC888 Captain??? He made the decisions he had to make and got the job done..Thats what counts, not your interpretation of what should of been done....

[whiteguy]

Air transat messed up in the maintenance then the pilots messed up in not following procedures when there was ample evidence of excessive "fuel burn" Thankfully, the rubber ducky was pulled out of the hat and the plane made it to the Azores.
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Actually the pilots did follow the emergency procedures issued by Airbus. They were changed after the incident.

[crazyaviator]

Jacques ,

Good Reply !