Do you read the TC Aviation Safety Letter?

[Cat Driver]

You mean I shouldn't be in aviation?

" You're quite funny you know, maybe you should try stand up comedy instead of aviation. Lets see now, ... a subject for your routine, ... hmmm, ... TC! "


Great idea now all we need to form a partnership is for you to figure out what would be funny enough to make it work.

Back to the thread, is there something that you disagree with, on what I posted about the subject?

Cat

[Hornblower]

Yep, I guess I'm with fatboy on that. When I was a kid I used to get something out of them, I can’t remember what mind you. My wife reads them now. As a result She nags the hell out of me when I have to fly in marginal weather (that would be some cloud as far as she seems to understand it).

My problem is with the content of many (if not most) of the articles containing such inanities, absurdities, condescension, and outright errors. 1/05 being no exception. The editor has a real knack of being able to talk down to even the most experienced pilots. If I knew you better I would sit down and point out at least 50 errors, omissions, overstatements, and opinions stated as facts in every issue. If I want to be spoken to like a child I’ll phone my mother.

In any case this is the prerogative of an editor. The problem is however, I don’t choose to buy this (what I consider to be) 2nd rate rag, but end up paying for it in my taxes, license fees, medical renewals, and whatever else they have coming out of my pocket without my knowing about it.

If we knew what this cost the taxpayer (and it’s only the tip of the iceberg), you would probably start drinking again. No wait, … we’ve just been educated on that subject, so now you know not to do that … at least when you’re flying . Thank God for Paul and the rest of the regulators. Amen

Okay I’m calm now, …

[Cat Driver]

o.K. Hornblower, thanks for answering , now I see we are on the same bandwagon.

I am trying to find a way to get a better relationship rebuilt between us the people who produce something tangible and the regulator.

I chose this issue to get everyone thinking about what is broke and what needs fixing, at the same time I want to cut some slack for the TC guys who would like to help change things.

Please note this little bit I will paste from one of my posts.

" Paul Marquis is working at a disadvantage in that he has to tow the line that his masters have around his neck....Paul is our employee and we have the obligation to guide him and ensure that his message is benificial to the industry and reflects the truth...... "

Based on that simple observation and trueism, can you now see the opportunity I have offered to TC to crawl out of their caves and have a look at the real world.

Hell sooner or later I will do some good just on the law of averages.

So lets see if our employee listens to us.

Cat

[Hornblower]

I have offered to TC to crawl out of their caves and have a look at the real world.

Not going to happen. Clearly you haven't been involved in the SMS process yet.

In any case a large # of the inspectors are not from a real world background, never have been, never will be. Real world people have had to spend too much time working (flying, wrenching, purchasing or selling) to develop the necessary skill sets that meet the hiring requirements. Most candidates come from really big organizations like major airlines, the Military, or TCs own flight operations, where there is a nearly bottomless pit of resources to draw upon to assist them in meeting their imposed objectives.

When many small to medium size operations have to meet any TC documentation program requirements (like HF training or SMS), they must, spend money they don’t have, leave other tasks not done, aircraft sitting idle, or family neglected; not issues where most inspectors came from.

I know, I know ... cry me a river.

[Cat Driver]

"When many small to medium size operations have to meet any TC documentation program requirements (like HF training or SMS), they must, spend money they don’t have, leave other tasks not done, aircraft sitting idle, or family neglected; not issues where most inspectors came from. "

Fortunately I have zero knowlege of these "Programs " of which you speak. Due to the simple fact I am not allowed to be involved in commercial aircraft operations in Canada. TC has clearly told me that I am not suitable to be the holder of a Canadian Operating Certificate. To further cement their position they advise my clients that they will not recognize any flight training done by me....having lost several foreign clients due to TC doing exactly that I must have really slipped a gear with this thread.

What the f..k am I thinking???? This is sort of like me attending sunday morning church and urging the congregation to see the good side of the neighbourhood drug dealers.

So from my personal perspective it is of no value for me to bother to read any new requirements that TC deem to be manditory for the industry.

Clearly I was either only half awake or may be losing some of my marbles when I posted a TC positive message here. However I shall leave it in case someone reads the whole conversation and comes to the conclusion that it is non productive to even think positively about the inner workings of TC.

Thank you for jolting me back to reality, and allowing me to make the simple connection between wishing and reality.


P.S...

If anyone here thinks there is merit in my origional suggestion to attempt to reason with TC please give your ideas on how to accomplish this.

Cat

[grouchy]

"Clearly I was either only half awake or may be losing some of my marbles when I posted a TC positive message here."

yeah,give yer head a shake. I thought you were mellowing out there Cat.

[Vickers vanguard]

TC has clearly told me that I am not suitable to be the holder of a Canadian Operating Certificate. To further cement their position they advise my clients that they will not recognize any flight training done by me....having lost several foreign clients due to TC

I thought these types of abuse of power happen only in the thirld world!......... guess I was wrong and should be more carefull not to upset these guys!.......they have all the resources, the time , the money, the Fu#%*g lawyers to smash you and make you an example for the rest!

I don't see any way out except for trying to get more people with real experience within this organization and in the mean time .....support the people who are already there and can make a difference!...it'll surely be a long and slow process but if only the people who regularly log into this forum, come together and agree on a given issue, they can use what ever power their respective employers give them to bombard TC with hundreds of complaints on a regular basis......I don't think TC will remain Deft for good!

There is another way.......the American way....use your voting rights for god sake!.....get somebody from the industry in parliament! or a couple of them better!, they do not need to be affiliated to any beancounter party, in these days of minority governments, your words will be heard and your questions answered.[/b]

[Cat Driver]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Minister of Transport / Ministre des Transports" <MINTC@tc.gc.ca>
To: <.@..org>
Cc: <lunne.d@parl.gc.ca>; <bonsa.f@parl.gc.ca>; <ducep.g@parl.gc.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:07 AM
Subject: Civil Aviation Inspector


> Mr. . .
> .@..org
>
> Dear Mr. .:
>
> On November 19, 2004, the office of your Member of Parliament, Mr. James D. Lunney, provided the Minister of Transport, the Honourable Jean-C. Lapierre, with a copy of your correspondence regarding your experiences with Transport Canada. I appreciate this opportunity to respond on Minister Lapierre's behalf. Please accept my apologies for the delay in replying.
>
> At the outset, I should explain that, in September 2003, Mr. xxx, Civil Aviation Inspector, provided information to a potential customer of yours regarding the requirements for seaplane training. At that time, the customer did not indicate that you would be providing training through a licensed flight school rather than through freelance instruction. Consequently, this resulted in a misunderstanding, which in turn led to incorrect information being provided by Mr. xxxx.
>
> In October 2003, Transport Canada sent a letter to you, which acknowledged your qualifications and specified the requirements contained in the Canadian Aviation Regulations for a person conducting training for a seaplane rating. Furthermore, the letter also included information pertaining to training at a certified flight school, as well as training provided by a person not associated with a school. I should clarify that Transport Canada does not recommend flight schools to the public. However, upon request, the department will issue a list of schools that provide the type of training being sought within a specified geographic area.
>
> Regional departmental officials have verified that you are indeed qualified to conduct seaplane rating instruction in Canada, provided that the appropriate regulations are observed. Should you require further information with respect to this matter, I would invite you to contact Mr. Adrian Walker, Regional Manager, General Aviation, Pacific Region, at (604) 666-5571.
>
> I trust that the foregoing has clarified the department's position with respect to this matter. Thank you for writing.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
>
> Richard Maksymetz
> Special Assistant - West and North
>
> c.c. Office of Mr. Gilles Duceppe, M.P.
> Office of Ms. France Bonsant, M.P.
> Office of Mr. James D. Lunney, M.P.
>
>

This is just the tip of the iceberg as far as my situation with TC goes....

I am pasting this latest correspondence for your reading education....to suggest that Inspector xxx had no knowledge of who I am, my qualifications and the fact that I was at the time working as an employee of a local Flight Training School is exactly the same as stating that I am a total stranger here on Avcanada and no one has the faintest idea of who I am.

The bottom line is inspector xxx lied to his boss, then the cover up started going all the way to this latest correspondence.

However, Inspector xxx is just another example of the type of soiciopath that is allowed to hammer anyone of us they choose with full backing of TC right to the top is typical of the way they operate.

Now that my M.P. has got his oar in the water I intend to use my Parliment members to get to the rest of the story...

And it is not pretty once the truth comes out and everyone can see just how corrupt the regulator truly is.

Enjoy...because I am just starting.

These morally corrupt officials who did me and my company in and bankrupted me for no wrongdoing on my part owe me a lot of money...and I plan on getting it back.

. .

[Vickers vanguard]

I think I must shut-up......my mum once told me that my shit will get me in trouble!

[Vickers vanguard]

F...k it after all, I will talk!


I now see what is all about......at least this part of the story and I'm sure there is more to it. About a year ago, I heard and read somewhere about TC going after a couple of guys who received some sea-plane training from a flight instructor who wasn't authorized to do so, if I'm not mistaken, if was in either in a copa magazine, one of their safety letter or maybe the french magazine "aviation au quebec". Anyway.......they really made it look like the guy in question was a rogue instructor giving bogus training in the middle of the bush!...at least that's the impression I got when I finnished reading the article.

I just read the letter sent by the honourable minister's assistent and it's typical government crap. It always follows the same pattern! right from the start, everything is based on what mr.xxx said and declared to be the truth and only the truth!

First, the guy in charge of our honorable minister's correspondence gets the letter from the MP. being too busy with end of the year's holiday preparation, he calls.....not even....he sends a letter to the TC regional manager asking for the ins and outs of the story. The regional manager asks mr.xxx for a report or his side of the story or he probably knew about it already.....sure he knew!
So, with the help of all the penpushers they have there, they prepare a nice and sweet lawyer style letter for the honorable minister. Once the letter is received by the assistant, he rushes to transmit the answer to mr Cat. During all this process, nobody would even dare to question the inspector's actions! decisions or motives!....he's an inspector for god sake!...he promised to serve his country to the best of his abilities!.........we, at TC, have to show some solidarity with our brothers in arms!
In the meantime, our instructor could go bankrupt or god knows what....but who cares? you don't mess with the men in black !
So all in all, we're back at starting point....but at least now, our inspector mr.xxx knows that if this goes on with more inquiries......he'll be in the shit!

Do you know what is the initial training once you get a Civil Servant job?
Emmergency and unusual attitudes of course! and here's the actions to be completed by memory:
1-Drag the matter as long as you can. While you'll still be paid, the other party is starving and there is a little chance that he has the resources and time you have. so, he'll soon forget the matter and your decision will prevail.
2- If the other party insists on the matter, deny any wrongdoing and get your brothers in arms to assist you and testify that you are a good CS.
3-........

Sorry guys, I'm getting carried away with this.......I had a tiny encounter with the men in black once....and it's nothing compared to what others like CAT have been through. It didn't cause me to cause bankrupt or anything, but it was F@$%king frustating and nonesense to say the least. Unfortunately, I was one of the guys described above who did not have the resources nor the time to follow the matter.

For those who had been smashed by the system and are still seeking justice......all the best and keep going......

[...]

Look out Jack....Chucky's back!!!!!

[Cat Driver]

Nazim.B :

First I have no connection with nor personally know the instructor who was accused of giving float plane ratings without the " Solo " time ...But yes there were as far as I know over one hundred float plane ratings cancelled by TC here in this region because of the so called problem...the same inspector xxx was involved in the float rating fiasco and the license cancellations...

But my situation had zero to do with any of that and said inspector knows who I am and went out of his way to cause me loss of earnings....And I am certain it is at the direction of the Regional Director Civil Aviation...well I am not certain but lets just say I am alleging that to be a fact.

Please Note ! :

This action taken by xxx happened over a year after I was bankrupted by these people.....All I was doing was trying to work to earn a living....

I went directly to the Regional Director General Transport Canada with that problem....( The same person who had come to my home several years ago to make sure that I never ever get this issue solved ) it took exactly four and a half hours to get a letter of apology by e-mail from the RDG.. Him personally admitting that yes, I had been wrongly accused of operating illegally...ALSO... my client who had come all the way from Scotland was sent a letter of apology from the RDG.

You see it was all just a mistake and that ends that as far as these dishonest corrupt officials are concerned...oh you would love to see the stuff I have on the office of the Regional Director General Transport Canada. Makes the Hells Angles look like honest upright citizens...

These letters have exactly the same value as the one that I just pasted here...they are pure lies and smoke and mirrors with only one agenda and that is to keep stalling, hoping I will die soon.

The same Inspector did it again the same summer with another client from England and I can get nothing done to stop these crimminals from denying me the right to work in my own Counrty....

I am going to get the Minister of Transoprt by the balls and force him to use the proof of corruption that I have and he will hopefully cull some of these top TC officials..again xxx is only a small parasite in that cess pool at 800 Burrard, and in Tower C in Ottawa.

I have internal documents sent to me by friends in TC that are so damming that it is incredible...they are moving some of the parasites around as we discuss this ...I know because I have friends in TC who keep me informed and will testify in front of a Ministerial inquiry on my behalf. When and if I can get one started.

You people haven't the faintest idea of who your real enemy is...it is your regulator..not the corrupt companies who sodomize you.

Don't you get it yet. An employer can only fire you and you can get another job somewhere, these people in TC can prevent you from ever being able to work in aviation in Canada.

End of todays rant.....

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[Vickers vanguard]

Although I realize that this is only the tip of the iceberg, It's enough to make me think twice the next time I'll have to deal with these guys!
It seems that TC has gone to great lenghts in their efforts to smash a single citizen......wonder what are the motives behind it?
It's such a shame and it's a total failure of the system when an individual has to resort to contacting the transport's minister in person to get somebody to look at a matter, that should and must have been resolved internally!........those government bodies were supposed to be self-monitoring....aren't they?

[Hedley]

That's nothing. Transport contacted all the airshow operators in Ontario and threatened them that if they hired us, they'd have trouble getting their SFOC (permit for the airshow).

I had trouble believing that Transport would stoop that low, but I've had 3 airshow operators tell me that we're "untouchable" as far as Transport goes.

That's illegal, but Transport sees itself as above the law. After all, it creates the law and enforces it, so why should it obey it? Like a policeman speeding home in his personal car after his shift is over, who is going to give him a ticket?

I even have a Federal Court order, enjoining Transport from continuing this bizarre campaign, which they just ignored.

[Vickers vanguard]

I can't believe all the things you guys are saying.......I would never have thought that a regulator like Tc could go on such a large scale smashing rampage!
Blackmailing customers ?......remind me of Mafia-style tactics ! If we can't scare the guy....well let go after the Family, the friends, anybody who deals with him....we will eventually isolate him so we can finnish him up!

What a big disappointment for me...... ......guess I was too naive to think that finally,....I would no more have to deal with abuse of power and bureaucrats on a power trip.

Should I start to believe that all the things we know about justice,rights,freedoms and all that, is just smoke in the mirror? and that all governments are oppressive to a certain extent ? that is the only answer when you get to a point where even the highest athority in the country(.i.e justice system)......is no longuer respected!

[switchflicker]

If I remember right, in the Maldives at the seaplane base, there were VCR/TV stations which gave the pax briefings in several languages with video demonstrations.


Any MAT pilots want to coment?

[Hedley]

Government bureaucracies are all the same. 95% of the people are either deadwood, marking time until they collect their pensions, or good guys. The other 5% are unmitigated *ssholes that you wouldn't leave alone with your dog or cat, unless you wanted them to bleed out of their rectums.

Most of the time you get the 95%, but occasionally you run across the 5% bottom of the barrel like Bob Hoover did down south. Click on:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22 ... ical&meta=

and start reading. Bob Hoover was a decorated war hero, ace and probably the finest airshow pilot I've ever seen fly, which bugged the heck out of a couple of envious government low-lifes who colluded to have Bob's medical pulled. So Bob left the USA, and flew airshows in Australia, who's civilian aeronautic administration pronounced him healthy and fit to fly.

Delmar Benjamin, another superb pilot, was on the receiving end of a similar shafting. Only after he quit flying airshows did they finally leave him alone.

There was another case where a pilot down south was hounded by the government until he stressed out and crashed the Citation he was flying, killing himself and his passengers. The TSB report said the unfounded campaign carried on by the government lowlife created unnecessary stress which they thought was a contributing factor to the fatal crash. I can dig the report up for you, if you wish.

I can only presume it pleased the government lowlife to kill all those people. He was promoted, as I recall.