For the record,
Engineers pay dues to finance the operation of the association. No fees=no association.
In essence, we support ourselves..
What does the $55 support? (other than an increase the general revenue of the government)
TC sending a credit agency after me?
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
Rule books are paper - they will not cushion a sudden meeting of stone and metal.
— Ernest K. Gann, 'Fate is the Hunter.
— Ernest K. Gann, 'Fate is the Hunter.
Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
This is election time. Have any of you bothered to ask any of the candidates what they are going to do about the numerous problems that afflict Canadian aviation, including this $55 fictional fee/double charge for a service that has already been paid for through general taxation? This would seem to be the best time to ask them for action if you are seriously dissatisfied with things!
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
carrier:
I spent untold energy and time with my M.P. trying to get his assistance in changing the way the regulator regulates.....even when I gave him irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing in the office of the DGCA he was unable to assist me in any way.
His excuse was he was only a lowly M.P. with no real power in Ottawa.
Translation......the fix is in so deep in Ottawa that it is useless trying to get any politition to do anything.
Canada is exactly like Zimbawbe...it is a dictatorship.
I spent untold energy and time with my M.P. trying to get his assistance in changing the way the regulator regulates.....even when I gave him irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing in the office of the DGCA he was unable to assist me in any way.
His excuse was he was only a lowly M.P. with no real power in Ottawa.
Translation......the fix is in so deep in Ottawa that it is useless trying to get any politition to do anything.
Canada is exactly like Zimbawbe...it is a dictatorship.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
Hi there
This is the Federal goverment. It is illegal for the federal goverment or any collection agency representing the federal goverment to put anything you owe on to your credit file. I have gotton calls from this collection agency and I just call TC and pay the bill with my credit card. TC is owed millions from pilots in Canada and they are trying to figure ways of getting there money. I guess in time they will have a sure of getting there money or hurting. Just pay it up and be done with it I say. You can make arragments with Tc to make monthly payments and get the collection people off your back.
Good luck
This is the Federal goverment. It is illegal for the federal goverment or any collection agency representing the federal goverment to put anything you owe on to your credit file. I have gotton calls from this collection agency and I just call TC and pay the bill with my credit card. TC is owed millions from pilots in Canada and they are trying to figure ways of getting there money. I guess in time they will have a sure of getting there money or hurting. Just pay it up and be done with it I say. You can make arragments with Tc to make monthly payments and get the collection people off your back.
Good luck
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
So why pay it?This is the Federal goverment. It is illegal for the federal goverment or any collection agency representing the federal goverment to put anything you owe on to your credit file.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
Quote: “..........he was unable to assist me in any way.”
., I agree with all of your comments above, except I would substitute “unwilling” for “unable”. An individual MP can do something but knows very well that if he does his party leader will withdraw his party membership or refuse to sign his nomination papers at the next election. That means his snout will be removed from the tax trough. This situation will continue as long as MPs represent their party leader or his cronies and in reward are allowed to participate in the tax feeding frenzy.
Fundamental change is needed in the whole system. Note that even the Reform Party was not a sincere effort to change the system. This became clear right at the beginning when Manning obstructed the candidacy of Doug Collins for North Vancouver when Collins was selected by the riding in 1988. Manning showed his true colours then, the same colours as the rest of the party leaders! Note also how many of the former Reform MPs have taken the gold plated MP pension or are now Ottawa lobbyists, etc. It was obviously just a slightly different, but equally insincere, approach to getting their turn at the tax trough.
Note that there are two types of politician in Canada’s parliament. The first type is one of the insiders, a career professional seat warmer. He is there for the long term, is big pals with the leader and influential members of his party and its financiers, and gets rewarded with a ministerial salary and benefits. The other type is an opportunist. He has another occupation, say lawyer or farmer, but seizes the opportunity to pad his retirement income. All he aims to do is get elected and re-elected once, so that he will be in for more than six years and then qualifies for the gold plated MP pension.
The biggest fear of a politician is that his snout will be kicked out of the tax trough. This can in certain situations and ridings be used to motivate the MP or his party by strategic voting. The fear of losing his seat for an individual or losing his majority or seeing his party’s seat numbers fall drastically for a party leader can be a powerful motivator. It is only effective in a few special situations. It was quite effective at unseating an estimated two dozen MPs in the UK’s last general election when used by the pro-hunting groups and it will be interesting to observe if that has any effect on the UK’s next general election. In Canada it is unlikely to work for us because Canadian aviation interests are so insular and selfish that they will not co-operate to even try strategic voting. Thus nothing will change tomorrow!
Is it any wonder that politicians are held in such contempt by those of us who actually have to perform, earn a living and pay extortionate taxes to support such parasites?
., I agree with all of your comments above, except I would substitute “unwilling” for “unable”. An individual MP can do something but knows very well that if he does his party leader will withdraw his party membership or refuse to sign his nomination papers at the next election. That means his snout will be removed from the tax trough. This situation will continue as long as MPs represent their party leader or his cronies and in reward are allowed to participate in the tax feeding frenzy.
Fundamental change is needed in the whole system. Note that even the Reform Party was not a sincere effort to change the system. This became clear right at the beginning when Manning obstructed the candidacy of Doug Collins for North Vancouver when Collins was selected by the riding in 1988. Manning showed his true colours then, the same colours as the rest of the party leaders! Note also how many of the former Reform MPs have taken the gold plated MP pension or are now Ottawa lobbyists, etc. It was obviously just a slightly different, but equally insincere, approach to getting their turn at the tax trough.
Note that there are two types of politician in Canada’s parliament. The first type is one of the insiders, a career professional seat warmer. He is there for the long term, is big pals with the leader and influential members of his party and its financiers, and gets rewarded with a ministerial salary and benefits. The other type is an opportunist. He has another occupation, say lawyer or farmer, but seizes the opportunity to pad his retirement income. All he aims to do is get elected and re-elected once, so that he will be in for more than six years and then qualifies for the gold plated MP pension.
The biggest fear of a politician is that his snout will be kicked out of the tax trough. This can in certain situations and ridings be used to motivate the MP or his party by strategic voting. The fear of losing his seat for an individual or losing his majority or seeing his party’s seat numbers fall drastically for a party leader can be a powerful motivator. It is only effective in a few special situations. It was quite effective at unseating an estimated two dozen MPs in the UK’s last general election when used by the pro-hunting groups and it will be interesting to observe if that has any effect on the UK’s next general election. In Canada it is unlikely to work for us because Canadian aviation interests are so insular and selfish that they will not co-operate to even try strategic voting. Thus nothing will change tomorrow!
Is it any wonder that politicians are held in such contempt by those of us who actually have to perform, earn a living and pay extortionate taxes to support such parasites?
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
I stand corrected, my choice of words was wrong.., I agree with all of your comments above, except I would substitute “unwilling” for “unable”.
We, my wife and I had high expectations from this MP as we had some contact with him and his wife before he went into politics.
When faced with the choice of " TRYING " to do something about the moral corruption within the civil service he chose instead to feather his own nest by remaining a trained seal within the system.
The evidence I gave him of wrongdoing within the top management at TCCA was undeniable and should have resulted in the removal of several of TCCA's top managers, namely Merlin Preuss and Dave Nowzek.......that was the agreement I had with the office of the Director General Transport Canada if I could prove my allegations of wrongdoing.
I did.
The record is there with their own findings that supported all my allegations.
Canada is just another morally corrupt country run by morally corrupt leaders no different from any other third world dictatorship.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
., just because you had a bad experience with TC, doesn't mean the rest of the Canadians have a bad experience with the Country. You can say that TC is wrong all you want, that may be right in your particular case, however, you can't generalize this to the whole country.
Going for the deck at corner
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
Why can't I?
Are you saying that I do not have the same right to be protected by rule of law as the rest of you?
Or is it your opinion that a " Good Canadian " allow people at the level of DGCA to deny them their rights under the charter and the laws of Canada.
Here is a better suggestion AuxBatOn, rather than suggest I cease and desist with my criticism of the way things go in Canada why don't you get in contact with Preuss and have him take me to court for libel?
Are you saying that I do not have the same right to be protected by rule of law as the rest of you?
Or is it your opinion that a " Good Canadian " allow people at the level of DGCA to deny them their rights under the charter and the laws of Canada.
Here is a better suggestion AuxBatOn, rather than suggest I cease and desist with my criticism of the way things go in Canada why don't you get in contact with Preuss and have him take me to court for libel?
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
Of course you legally can .. However, it doesn't help anything and it doesn't make sense to make such a generalization. The system works for most of us and it just can't be tailored for every single Canadian out there. You can't make everyone happy. As long as the majority is happy. I'm really sorry it doesn't work for you.. . wrote:Why can't I?
Are you saying that I do not have the same right to be protected by rule of law as the rest of you?
Or is it your opinion that a " Good Canadian " allow people at the level of DGCA to deny them their rights under the charter and the laws of Canada.
Here is a better suggestion AuxBatOn, rather than suggest I cease and desist with my criticism of the way things go in Canada why don't you get in contact with Preuss and have him take me to court for libel?
Going for the deck at corner
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
That is nice to know AuxBatOn.
Makes me feel real patriotic especially in that I believe you are part of Canada's military.
I hope some day you end up in the same position as I did when I tried to get protection under law in Canada.
At least I would have some respect for you then.
Makes me feel real patriotic especially in that I believe you are part of Canada's military.
I hope some day you end up in the same position as I did when I tried to get protection under law in Canada.
At least I would have some respect for you then.
The system works for your ilk because you are satisfied to accept the fact that as long as you do not rock the boat so to speak you will be O.K.The system works for most of us and it just can't be tailored for every single Canadian out there.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
., I do respect you and I do not think it should have happenned to you. Laws and regulations aren't perfect but they work for MOST people. I did end up in simular situations, probably not as big as yours, and I know how it feels. However, b*tching on a public forum about it and insulting the regulators obviously won't make your cause go forward.. . wrote:That is nice to know AuxBatOn.
Makes me feel real patriotic especially in that I believe you are part of Canada's military.
I hope some day you end up in the same position as I did when I tried to get protection under law in Canada.
At least I would have some respect for you then.
Having said that, I still believe that laws may not always work on the personal level, however in the grand scheme of things, it does work.
No hard feelings, just different opinions
CheersGoing for the deck at corner
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
My intentions have zero to do with creating hard feelings between myself and make believe people here on Avcanada.
I consider it exposing those in government who deliberately missuse their positions within government and thereby are lower than common street criminals.
Canada is supposed to be a country governed by rule of law with the protection of the individual to be paramount.
I have proven that that is not true by showing that people such as the Director General Civil Aviation can and do deny our rights under law.
He is supported by the Minister of Transport.
If that is the Canada you are fighting for I feel sorry for you.
If nothing else you have to give me credit for trying to bring about changes within a morally corrupt government that allows moral degenerates like Preuss to hold on to his position despite the fact that there can be no doubt that he is a disgrace to the office he holds..supported by and approved by Cannon and Harper.
I have been through the whole process and got the PFO letters from Cannons office to show that he like the rest is just another self serving politician who would sodomize his dog to keep his position in government.
I at least have the hope that some out there read this and think about it.
And I'm easy to fine if they want to try and stop me.
I do not consider what I am doing " bitching "However, b*tching on a public forum about it and insulting the regulators obviously won't make your cause go forward.
I consider it exposing those in government who deliberately missuse their positions within government and thereby are lower than common street criminals.
Canada is supposed to be a country governed by rule of law with the protection of the individual to be paramount.
I have proven that that is not true by showing that people such as the Director General Civil Aviation can and do deny our rights under law.
He is supported by the Minister of Transport.
If that is the Canada you are fighting for I feel sorry for you.
If nothing else you have to give me credit for trying to bring about changes within a morally corrupt government that allows moral degenerates like Preuss to hold on to his position despite the fact that there can be no doubt that he is a disgrace to the office he holds..supported by and approved by Cannon and Harper.
I have been through the whole process and got the PFO letters from Cannons office to show that he like the rest is just another self serving politician who would sodomize his dog to keep his position in government.
I at least have the hope that some out there read this and think about it.
And I'm easy to fine if they want to try and stop me.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
I do give you credit for fighting for a cause you seem to truly believe in. However, I still maintain that calling them criminals or whatever names won't help you in your (uphill) battle.. . wrote:
If nothing else you have to give me credit for trying to bring about changes within a morally corrupt government that allows moral degenerates like Preuss to hold on to his position despite the fact that there can be no doubt that he is a disgrace to the office he holds..supported by and approved by Cannon and Harper.
Going for the deck at corner
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
O.K. how else do you describe someone who willfully acts in disregard of the law?
Can you argue that someone who is supposed to uphold and enforce the law is exempt from abiding by the very laws they are supposed to regulate?
Do you believe that people like the DGCA are somehow above the law and therefore are exempt from having to abide by said laws?
And last but not least is it your opinion that these people should not be accountable if they only disregard the law for just a few citizens and us few should just suck it up and be good little Canadians and keep quiet so as not to seem un-Canadian?
Remember I am not making these allegations just for fun.
I can prove them.
From this conversation we are having AuxBatOn I get the feeling that you think that by exposing these people who have acted in an unlawful manner I should find it within myself to sugar coat it and not suggest that acts against the law are deserving of the term criminal.
Well I hate to disappoint you but in my opinion they are worse than criminals for the simple reason they are suppose to uphold the law, not break it.
We have discussed this enough and I do not see any reason to continue.
Can you argue that someone who is supposed to uphold and enforce the law is exempt from abiding by the very laws they are supposed to regulate?
Do you believe that people like the DGCA are somehow above the law and therefore are exempt from having to abide by said laws?
And last but not least is it your opinion that these people should not be accountable if they only disregard the law for just a few citizens and us few should just suck it up and be good little Canadians and keep quiet so as not to seem un-Canadian?
Remember I am not making these allegations just for fun.
I can prove them.
From this conversation we are having AuxBatOn I get the feeling that you think that by exposing these people who have acted in an unlawful manner I should find it within myself to sugar coat it and not suggest that acts against the law are deserving of the term criminal.
Well I hate to disappoint you but in my opinion they are worse than criminals for the simple reason they are suppose to uphold the law, not break it.
We have discussed this enough and I do not see any reason to continue.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
TC makes good on Collection agency threats
TC infact HAS sent me to a collection agency for a grand total of $55. My question is why since they've always seen fit to remove it from my income tax return? Also isn't it some breach of the privacy act or something with them to actually do it?
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shitdisturber
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Re: TC makes good on Collection agency threats
Of course it is; the information in your file is protected information under FOIP or whatever the hell acronym they use for it. Giving your name, address, and phone number to a collection agency is unlawful; good luck getting anything done about it though; while I think . tends to overdo things at times with his battle with TC, he's right in that they are aware they are in breach of the law and don't care.C-GGGQ wrote:TC infact HAS sent me to a collection agency for a grand total of $55. My question is why since they've always seen fit to remove it from my income tax return? Also isn't it some breach of the privacy act or something with them to actually do it?
Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
There has been a lot of talk about this but I haven't seen anyone verify whether there is a legal issue here or not. Guido indicated on one of the other threads that he was following up on the Access to Information and Privacy issue. It should be interesting to note that the Financial Administration Act provides for the use of collection agencies to recoup debts:
Finanacial Adminstration Act - 17.1
A quick search through the other government departments via Google confirms that each employ collection agencies:
Google - "Collection agency fees" +"government of canada" +"disclosure of contracts"
Again, lots of discussion on the issue in these other threads as well:
AvCanada: TC sends Collection Agency after me
AvCanada: Death and Taxes.
AvCanada: TC has a new collection agency.
AvCanada: Ottawa collecting on student loans even after borrower dies
AvCanada: Why Collectcorp inc?
AvCanada: Collcetcorp & TC
Finanacial Adminstration Act - 17.1
A quick search through the other government departments via Google confirms that each employ collection agencies:
Google - "Collection agency fees" +"government of canada" +"disclosure of contracts"
Again, lots of discussion on the issue in these other threads as well:
AvCanada: TC sends Collection Agency after me
AvCanada: Death and Taxes.
AvCanada: TC has a new collection agency.
AvCanada: Ottawa collecting on student loans even after borrower dies
AvCanada: Why Collectcorp inc?
AvCanada: Collcetcorp & TC
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Rudder Bug
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
Me too!TC infact HAS sent me to a collection agency for a grand total of $55
Flying an aircraft and building a guitar are two things that are easy to do bad and difficult to do right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yd_QppdGks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yd_QppdGks
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
They call me every day at about 5 o'clock just to let me know they still love me and miss my $55 
Cheers,
200hr Wonder
200hr Wonder
Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
You know they called my cell all the time, even after I asked them to stop and I was getting quite 
myself.
Called em back told them they had the wrong #, calls stopped
myself.Called em back told them they had the wrong #, calls stopped
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
Doesn't it just give you a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that your regulator will try and ruin your credit rating not to mention paying some collection agency to hound you to distraction to collect something your taxes used to pay for.
You gotta love these pricks who think nothing of extorting more money out of some poor struggling flight instructor than the instructor may make for a full day working at the airport.
You gotta love these pricks who think nothing of extorting more money out of some poor struggling flight instructor than the instructor may make for a full day working at the airport.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
they took it out of my tax return every year so far. They couldn't wait a fricken month?
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
IF you don't pay your yearly fee and you have a collection agency calling you - I don't think that the agency can harm your credit rating as someone mentioned on this thread. Correct me if I'm wrong but I really doubt it. Your credit rating is hurt if you don't pay your monthly credit card minimums etc.
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Re: TC sending a credit agency after me?
Appearently; this fee is a filing fee after your medical examiner sends in the results of your lates medical. That being said: How come they have guys running around asking that you produce a current medical with your license. They should already have that info with a name and a license #. RE: I paid my $55 so that you should know. I know the theory may sound dumb; but I' trying to figure out a way to charge them a fee for you to access info for something they already know. Huh?
