Should the Bloc be allowed to sit in Parliament?

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Re: Should the Bloc be allowed to sit in Parliament?

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Well the only reason I singled out the Christian Party is because they are the only religious party running.
Frankly, I don't believe that it was your only motivation. One need only reference a specific previous thread to gain a percpective of your disdain for said religion.
Now should such party actually get a government, how does their policies not encroach on others rights to freedom and beliefs?
As long as they stay within the bounds of The Charter, they cannot encroach on your freedoms
*Edit to add that the right not to vote also falls under democracy.
We have the right to vote. However, please indicate where in The Charter, does it say we have a right not to vote. Be specific, including para, subpara references. We do have the freedom not to vote (for now). A freedom and a right are two separate things.
During World War II former Mayor of Montreal Camillien Houde campaigned against conscription in Canada. On August 2, 1940, Houde publicly urged the men of Quebec to ignore the National Registration Act. Three days later, he was placed under arrest by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police on charges of sedition. After being found guilty, he was confined in internment camps in Petawawa, Ontario and Gagetown, New Brunswick until 1944. Upon his release on August 18, 1944, he was greeted by a cheering crowd of 50,000 Montrealers and won back his job as Montreal mayor in 1944's civic election.
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As I recall the War Measures Act had been enacted by that point, if I'm not mistaken.
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Why would a francophone not want to fight to free France from Nazi Germany ???
You're kidding, right? During WWII, Quebec was notoriously
isolationist, to say the least! Many North Americans were
blatantly pro-Nazi Germany, too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Ell ... rld_War_II
Trudeau reflected on his opposition to conscription and his doubts about the war in his 1993 Memoirs: "So there was a war? Tough... if you were a French Canadian in Montreal in the early 1940s, you did not automatically believe that this was a just war... we tended to think of this war as a settling of scores among the superpowers."[9]

In a 1942 Outremont by-election, he campaigned for the anti-conscription candidate Jean Drapeau (later mayor of Montreal), and was eventually expelled from the Officers' Training Corps for lack of discipline. The National Archives of Canada, in its biographical sketches of Canadian prime ministers, records how on one occasion during the war Trudeau and his friends drove their motorcycles wearing Prussian military uniforms, complete with pointed steel helmets.[10]
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BigB wrote: Frankly, I don't believe that it was your only motivation. One need only reference a specific previous thread to gain a percpective of your disdain for said religion.
I double dog dare you to point out my disdain for Christianity. Let me guess, my request for a flood to wipe out the bible belt?
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You know what would have prevented the mess in the middle east right now? If the Brits had just kept the Jews out of Palistine and let the Palistinians keep it. Oh yeah.....@#$! the Bloc, at best they're greedy scum bags; at worst they're treasonous. Either way, like Pink Floyd said "UP AGAINST THE WALL!"
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I think Quebecers do not like to move out of their comfortable position. As long as they can vote BQ and have other parties attempting to court them, they will keep voting BQ .. unless there is another message that has great appeal for them. (I am not sure what that would be… they are clearly prepared to thumb their noses at conciliatory gestures from Conservatives) or unless they start getting less attention because they have removed themselves from the ROC. I would suggest it is time for some benign neglect of "La Belle Province", just to let them know that two can play at "Je me souviens".
I don't want any of their traitor separatists sitting in the Federal House of Commons. I want them sitting IN Quebec (Hull) in a room with a television. When any item concerning Quebec arises they could be allowed to speak. I want Quebec to pay their separatists with their own money and I want the pensions of all these members (separatists) cashed out right now.
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So how do these Bloc MP's avoid the Oath of Office for Canadian MP's ???
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All these decades, I keep hearing about "the threat"
of Quebec separating from Canada. Enough already.

What I can't figure out is why Alberta sticks around.
Are they into S&M? Do they enjoy giving money to
people that hate them?
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What I can't figure out is why Alberta sticks around.
I can assure you there is a growing, but yet still quiet, sentiment in Alberta that addresses that very issue.
Are they into S&M?
That's kind of a personal question, don't you think? Hold on, I'll ask my wife. :D
Do they enjoy giving money to people that hate them?
Not really, but such is the price one pays for Confederation.
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Are they into S&M?
That's kind of a personal question, don't you think? Hold on, I'll ask my wife. :D
Just asked my wife. Apparently, we're not into it. :( :lol:
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Did someone metion S&M?

"Whip me ,beat me, slap me like the slut i am :!: " said the masochist :smt079 :smt079




"No " said the saddist :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Jeffrey Simpson, in today’s Globe and Mail, hit the nail on the head with his piece on
'Quebecers Mental Bloc'. :
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... uested=all
Explanations after each election missed more fundamental interpretations that, outside Quebec, are worth pondering. They could lead to a reassessment of how to deal with the province.
By voting Bloc for six consecutive elections, the largest number of francophones in Quebec turned their backs on Canada, while not expecting that the rest of Canada would ever turn its back on Quebec.
Bloc voters obviously feel comfortable with the party. Some are separatists; others are not. They apparently welcome a party that wants no part of governing Canada while continuing to demand more and more from it. More and more in the sense of more money for Quebec, more jurisdictional power, a larger international presence and other way stations to the Bloc's eventual goal of an independent Quebec.
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Since 1993, the largest number of francophone Quebeckers apparently has wanted no part of federal parties, and therefore of the government or governance of Canada. Canada is no longer a country they wish to participate in governing, but one from which they wish to withdraw cash, like an automated teller machine.
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By winning between 38 and 54 seats,Ö as the Bloc has done since 1993, majority governments have become difficult. (Prime minister Jean Chrétien did win three majorities under strange circumstances, a divided right.) National political parties — the bestriding, elastic political formations that helped for most of Canada's history to broker regional interests — are weakened, since none can easily form a truly national government.

Weaker national parties weaken Canada, which is the Bloc's ultimate objective, however cleverly it is disguised. Nor could an effective "coalition" be formed with the Bloc, since the party does not believe in governing or in Canada.
I say if they haven't yet signed onto Canada's Constitution and aren't willing to be equal partners with each other province and territory, then we should give them 5 years to do so. When the voters of Quebec reach a decision on a date to separate (or not) the fate of their owned separatist politicians will be decided - if the people of Quebec wish to be part of Canada AGAIN - the Bloc must be dismantled.
If they refuse then we should have a referendum for the ROC as to whether it should be expelled.
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I have personal experience with Quebec and the people I have met are terrific - many good friends here. But I would not cross the street to spit on a PQ or a Bloc member and I'm beginning to think that way about the people who vote for them. Quebec is turning into a group who have become expert whiners and think they are somehow superior to the rest of us ('entitlement' taken to the limit) and I am willing to let them leave after we present them with their share of the debt and remove most of the north and see how long they can get along in the world economy speaking only French and selling Oka cheese.

Another reason I 'bothered' to vote.
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The Chzech Republic and Slovakia “velvet divorce” appears to be a model separation.
In many ways it is a mirror image of our Canada/Quebec condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolutio ... kia#Legacy
After a transition period of roughly four years, during which the relations between the states could be characterized as a "post-divorce trauma", the present relations between Czechs and Slovaks, as many people point out, are probably better than they have ever been.
No movement to re-unite Czechoslovakia has appeared and no political party advocates it in its programme. Political influences between the countries are minimal. Trade relationships were re-established and stabilized. After a short interruption, Slovakia's mountains are again the target of a growing number of Czech tourists.
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BigB what do you think of this?


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How would you like some religious nut bars trying to run your country with that mindset?
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As I've said before, as long as they stay within the bounds of The Charter, they can have whatever party policy they want. There is nothing stopping those willing to form an "Islamic Heritage Party", "Jewish Heritage Party", "Buddhist Heritage Party" etc..etc. They have every democratic right to do so.

Would I be happy with a religious party in power? No I would not. I prefer the separation of church and state, much like Niss. As you may well know, we in Canada do not have legislation prohibiting it.
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Re: Should the Bloc be allowed to sit in Parliament?

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Well, I'm glad the Bloc is in parliament.

I think it's a great statement regarding how great our democracy and civility is that we can tolerate (some people less so than others) such wanton desire to tear a country apart without involking civil war.

Canada IS the BEST country IN THE WORLD!!

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