Skyward

snag · Post by **snag** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:46 pm

ALL pilots are on "temporary layoff". Some have been called back for re-training. Funny thing is, they were mostly 1900 drivers.

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:53 pm

"TheRubberJungle" got schooled by Quagmire.

heh heh AallRight Giggty Giggty

therubberjungle · Post by **therubberjungle** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:54 am

Schooled? Nope, not even close.

I just got in the door from an overnight trip and decided to look at this forum before hitting the hay. Looks like someone's getting a little uppity...

Quagmire: Where did I say that I ran the flying school while I worked at Skyward? I didn't. I started it, saw to it that it was running properly, then moved on in my life. Nine years later it's still around - guess I did something right or it would have folded in the first year. How many businesses have you started? I'll guess none. Until you do, successful or otherwise, you really have NO idea what the hell you're talking about.

I'm not discrediting "everyone" who's posted here. Learn to read. I'm slamming everyone who's jumping on the "let's slag Skyward" bandwagon because most of those posters have no idea. Period.

Skyward was a good when I worked there. Not perfect, but far from the worst. Yup, that's an opinion, an INFORMED one. I've had the misfortune of working for bad companies, Skyward just wasn't one of them. Oh yeah, I don't have a problem about opinions: just make sure you actually know what you're talking about before you speak, otherwise spare us the bs.

Quagmire, look again at Skyward's safety record. When you consider the number of flights they have safely completed vs any incidents you will realise that they are one of the safer companies in the sector. Do the math: it's easy.

Cheers

Jet Dog · Post by **Jet Dog** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:57 am

rubberjungle not ranting against you here, and you maybe a good operator, but there are those who have been around 10 yrs and run the company into the ground of late, but they were a$$holes and deserve as much and then some.. hope we never see them again, however some are still out there

So being running for whatever amount of time means nothing, maybe next year you'll go under, but that doesn't mean your an a-hole operator.. maybe means your bitten by times of avaiation.. or maybe something else....

Dr evil · Post by **Dr evil** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:55 am

Wow RubberJungle you really are my hero

, about 10 years ago you helped start a flying school business and then moved on, what a feat! A couple 172's and bunch of clean white paper, way to go pal thats a real achievment. Your quite the aviation pioneer, just a step behind old Grant McConahie. Anyone can tell you that starting a business and maintaining a healthy and law abiding business are two vastly different things, the latter being a hell of lot more difficult.

WHEN you worked for Skyard I'm sure they were a great company, but that was some time a go. Good "saftey minded" companies don't lose there OC's, AMO, and have every expierenced mechanic in the shop quit. 4 years is a long time ago and the Airline that you remember as Skyward doesn't exist anymore.

So rubberjungle get off the cross and quit bashing others rants cause you can't sleep at night. Your's is only an opinion amoungest all these others no more or less valuable. weather you like that or not.

therubberjungle · Post by **therubberjungle** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:58 pm

You know, I've heard a lot of grumbling about Skyward since I left. Perhaps things really have gotten that bad...

Now, before I have to address any further comments about speeches from the throne or getting off the cross, think about this: I'm getting my digs in on the folks who are taking potshots at someone/something else who won't retaliate on this forum. Just giving you a taste of your own medicine: sucks, no?

Dr evil: Starting a flying school and charter outfit where none existed before IS a big deal, and a lot of hard work. It doesn't happen by itself. Try it, you'll see. Sad to hear things are so different at Skyward these days. Oh yeah, your HERO? Wow, I'll pm you where to mail your adoration cheques

Cheers

Vickers vanguard · Post by **Vickers vanguard** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:34 pm

I stand by Glen comments !!!..............good posting buddy !

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:44 pm

Ok, so now that the insults have flown, can we get back on topic, please? Any new developments today...what's going on?

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:46 am

So I heard they got caught making parts for the Bandits............

Also heard that they are parking all the piston junk, and when they come back, it will be just with the caravans, king airs, and conquests.

Glen Quagmire · Post by **Glen Quagmire** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:23 am

Rubber Jungle, appears that more “forum post analysis” is in order. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to do this again

You call someone “uppity”, I will assume that you were referring to me. Uppity is a synonym for superior, know-it-all, high-handed. In my original post that is what I was attributing to yourself “posting from the throne”. So you calling me that right back is using the argument technique of “I know you are but what am I?”. A technique best employed at recess near the monkey bars.

In your original post I must have “missed” the fact that you didn’t run your school for nine years but had only started it. The reason may be that you never said you left after getting the business going, that fact was conveniently left out. Most people reading that statement probably deduced as I did that you had been running a flight school for nine years, in some capacity. Thus making your original post dishonest and misleading. Running a successful company for nine years vis-à-vis starting one, selling it, and it still being around nine years later are amply different accomplishments.

You then proceed to re-use the argument that because I have never started a business I couldn’t possibly know what I am talking about, please refer to my first post for why I believe that point is misconstrued.

The interesting part about this is that why would someone of such sound business mind and understanding say that Skyward will emerge from this “with any-and-all concerns addressed to resume business as usual.” Just a few hours after that posting three 1900’s were listed for sale, hardly going to be business as usual.

Again you counter with the opinion that many posters “have no idea. Period” and to “spare us the bs.” You see that opinion holds no weight because you don’t cite any examples of misinformation and more importantly why or what makes these statements misinformed. Un-less you are still counting the “if you haven’t done it, you don’t what what you are talking about approach”

Once again you fail at proving to the people that Skyward is a safe operation, keep in mind that I am not saying that Skyward is unsafe, just debunking your reasoning for why they are safe. You suggest I plug a formula of flights versus incidents to analyze their level of safety “Do the math: it's easy”. Well I agree that doing the math would have been easy had you provided some sourced factual information as to what their flight to incident ratio actually is. Then you would have to interpret that information, compare it to other operators and come up with a conclusion.

It’s perfect that you are giving people a taste of their own medicine, because according to you the medicine people are giving out is un-factual opinion and bs. So in return you are saying that you spout un-factual opinion and bs back at them, a ”taste of their own medicine”. Credibility all but gone.

RJ I will give you then benefit of the doubt that you were sleep typing, but please move on from this post, regroup, and we will talk later

"Cheers"

Snap Roll · Post by **Snap Roll** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:08 am

From what I heard. Yes, Skyward will emerge soon. Yes, it will be a leaner operation. Yes, errors have been identified and are being corrected. No, GSKQ is not sold as of yet, however, it was planned to be sold prior to the audit(executive interior dosen't handle cargo well!). I just hope not to many people will unemployed.

.80@410 · Post by **.80@410** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:33 am

Hey RubberJungle

Don't waste your time arguing with this chump Glen Quagmire.

He's used all 3 of his posts to argue with you...once he has shown he has more experience than circuits in a 152 maybe give his posts some consideration..until then ...

I will personally take RJ's posts, with his background of instructing/ bush flying and now heavy iron ( 727 right?) before some 3 pump post chump.

Skyward was a good company, maybe they grew too fast. The contribution they made every year by giving 15+ annual rampies their first flying job will be sorely missed. I am not surprised that GM has done his best to keep the pilots upbeat. In some ways that can't be helped he too will be a pawn to management. BUT, He is the kind of person who can be trusted to be there for the pilots as much as he can.

Till later,

.80

therubberjungle · Post by **therubberjungle** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:55 am

.80,

How've you been bro? It's been a while!

You're right about the arguing. 'Nuff said.

Check your PM

Cheers

Glen Quagmire · Post by **Glen Quagmire** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 12:17 pm

.80, I would have expected a more intelligent post from someone with jet time, I assume you fly a jet, presumably at .80 and FL410. That is if I used your same reasoning for linking post quality and credibility with total time and jet experience. You also link posting credibility with number of posts made. So by your assertion, a 747 skipper with 2000 posts is to be taken more seriously than an average poster with some turboprop time, regardless of the fallacy in his arguments.

Here is a fact, knowledge and intelligence do not go hand in hand with total time.

This was never meant to be a personal attack on anyone, I simply read a post that I found to be absurd and stated why I thought it was absurd.

Northern Flyer · Post by **Northern Flyer** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:35 pm

I heard a Skyward aircraft flying tonight on a center freq. They may have been just ferrying a plane I don't know, but it was definately Skyward.

CP · Post by CP » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:36 am

I have started an aviation company (flying school and charter) that's still running after nine years,

Well thats how I took his post as well Glen. Seems a bit misleading to me. So you started it but did not run it for 9 yrs right RJ?

.80@410 · Post by **.80@410** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:09 am

Glen Quagmire wrote:.Here is a fact, knowledge and intelligence do not go hand in hand with total time.

No Quag, they don't ..but understanding the undustry and being able to have an informed oppinion do.

I also would not have used my first 4 posts here to bash a knowledgable poster and instead would prefer to see them used towards either better knowing you, or increasing everyone's knowledge of the aviaiton industry.

therubberjungle · Post by **therubberjungle** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:30 am

CP,

No intent to mislead. I started the operation and ran it for a year and a half. They are still running under the guidelines I established.

Corporate Pilot · Post by **Corporate Pilot** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:22 am

So... we're into WEEK FOUR !

The silence is deafening. Nothing in the media.

What is happening with Skyward??!! Is anyone left?

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:40 am

For the record, how long was Keystone shiutdown post Mcphillips and Logan, not this long right???

stallnfall · Post by **stallnfall** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:38 am

I think Cliff must have some pictures of some bigwig at TC with a sheep or something!

DeskDriver · Post by **DeskDriver** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:12 am

80, I would have expected a more intelligent post from someone with jet time, I assume you fly a jet, presumably at .80 and FL410.

Not quite. As I've mentioned once before, I am certain that .80@410 is in reference to his BAC at 0410.

DD

.80@410 · Post by **.80@410** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:00 pm

DeskDriver wrote:
80, I would have expected a more intelligent post from someone with jet time, I assume you fly a jet, presumably at .80 and FL410.
Not quite. As I've mentioned once before, I am certain that .80@410 is in reference to his BAC at 0410.

DD

Ya, keep telling yourself that DD, Jealosy is a biotch LOL

When was the last time you saw the Eiffel tower at night? Care for me to send you a pic?
Chump go back to yor MS flitesim.

Corporate Pilot · Post by **Corporate Pilot** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:30 pm

I just heard that the Green Machine organization is looking over the bones of Skyward carcass to see what they can pickup. That would seem to make sense - they have the pockets and moxie to do it.

DeskDriver · Post by **DeskDriver** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:41 pm

Our resident drunk wrote

When was the last time you saw the Eiffel tower at night?

July 15, 1985. Have not been back to France since. Planning on Japan one of these days.

Care for me to send you a pic?

No thanks. I'm not gay. Hell, even if I some how turned gay, I'd be out of your league.

Chump go back to yor MS flitesim

Don't own it. My favourite passtime is quite arcane; it is called reading.

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