Westjet Service going down hill fast

[whiteguy]

Personally, I like Air Canada more than West Jet. The Embrayer and RJ are much nicer planes to fly in than the 737's.

No way! We flew YYC-SFO in a CR7 earlier in the year, and someone on the plane described it as a 'private jet with too many people'. You're basically jammed in there like sardines with no legroom or headroom. Oh, and we had to come home on a 767 instead because the landing gear wouldn't go up. The 737s are infinitely more comfortable.

You flew a United/Skywest CR7, I believe he was refering to the Jazz CRJ 705.

[moreccsplease]

A CRJ 700 is a 70 seat aircraft. A CRJ 705 (Jazz is the only operator) is really a 90-seat CRJ 900 fitted with 75 seats.

[balfour]

Still just an RJ

[mattedfred]

no legroom? if you're talking about the ACJ 705 then it has more legroom than any regional jet as far as i know

you can't operate B737 on any leg with any frequency and always make money

AC needs to put the right size equipment on each flight

if it warrants a 705 than that's what will operate it

[Darkwing Duck]

Both AC and WS (and several others for that matter) have the pros and cons. Really not the end of the world. Every airline has it's ups and downs. (No pun intended).

[_dwj_]

no legroom? if you're talking about the ACJ 705 then it has more legroom than any regional jet as far as i know

I think it was a Canadair CRJ-700. Can't remember for sure if legroom was an issue, just remember everything being very cramped. The overhead bins appeared very small and didn't hold much. Looking at the specs of the plane, the internal cabin height is 6ft2 vs 7ft3 for a 737. I think I remember not being able to stand up without ducking my head (I'm 6ft3).

Anyway, the point is that cramped little planes like this are totally unsuitable for a 2.5hr flight.

[whiteguy]

no legroom? if you're talking about the ACJ 705 then it has more legroom than any regional jet as far as i know

I think it was a Canadair CRJ-700. Can't remember for sure if legroom was an issue, just remember everything being very cramped. The overhead bins appeared very small and didn't hold much. Looking at the specs of the plane, the internal cabin height is 6ft2 vs 7ft3 for a 737. I think I remember not being able to stand up without ducking my head (I'm 6ft3).

Anyway, the point is that cramped little planes like this are totally unsuitable for a 2.5hr flight.

......and it wasn't AC/Jazz, it was United/Skywest. I think a 705 is perfectly acceptable on a 2.5 hr flight, even 4 hr to IAH is fine.

[_dwj_]

......and it wasn't AC/Jazz, it was United/Skywest. I think a 705 is perfectly acceptable on a 2.5 hr flight, even 4 hr to IAH is fine.

Yes, it was United/Skywest codeshare with AC. However I just checked the specs, and the 705 appears to have identical internal dimensions to the 700:

Bombardier CRJ 700/705

Cabin maximum width (centreline) 8 ft 5 in (2.57 m)
Cabin width (floor level) 7 ft 0 in (2.13 m)
Maximum height 6 ft 2.25 in (1.89 m)

Boeing 737
Cabin Width 11 ft 7 in (3.53 m)
Cabin Height 7 ft 3 in (2.21 m)

[whiteguy]

......and it wasn't AC/Jazz, it was United/Skywest. I think a 705 is perfectly acceptable on a 2.5 hr flight, even 4 hr to IAH is fine.

Yes, it was United/Skywest codeshare with AC. However I just checked the specs, and the 705 appears to have identical internal dimensions to the 700:

Bombardier CRJ 700/705

Cabin maximum width (centreline) 8 ft 5 in (2.57 m)
Cabin width (floor level) 7 ft 0 in (2.13 m)
Maximum height 6 ft 2.25 in (1.89 m)

Boeing 737
Cabin Width 11 ft 7 in (3.53 m)
Cabin Height 7 ft 3 in (2.21 m)

Except for the length of the aircraft, the 700 is 106ft and the 705, which is the same airframe as the 900, is 119ft. UA 700s have 72 seats and the 705 has 75 seats which means quite a difference in the room between seats. US Air for example has 86 seats on its 900s.

[_dwj_]

Except for the length of the aircraft, the 700 is 106ft and the 705, which is the same airframe as the 900, is 119ft. UA 700s have 72 seats and the 705 has 75 seats which means quite a difference in the room between seats. US Air for example has 86 seats on its 900s.

Yes, you're right. And now that I think about it, I never remember feeling that cramped on a Jazz flight. Just need to check carefully exactly which plane is used on flights to the US in future.

[shannon]

no legroom? if you're talking about the ACJ 705 then it has more legroom than any regional jet as far as i know

I think it was a Canadair CRJ-700. Can't remember for sure if legroom was an issue, just remember everything being very cramped. The overhead bins appeared very small and didn't hold much. Looking at the specs of the plane, the internal cabin height is 6ft2 vs 7ft3 for a 737. I think I remember not being able to stand up without ducking my head (I'm 6ft3).

Anyway, the point is that cramped little planes like this are totally unsuitable for a 2.5hr flight.

no legroom? if you're talking about the ACJ 705 then it has more legroom than any regional jet as far as i know

Yeah, kinda like taking a 737 from Alberta to Hawaii.

[mattedfred]

i think the million dollar question is:

are you willing to pay extra in order to fly on a bigger aircraft?

[shannon]

Actually thats not a valid question. Larger aircraft have a lower seat mile cost than smaller aircraft of the same vintage, so price should be cheaper on the larger aircraft. So then we're back to comfort.

[mattedfred]

if yield must remain the same than the larger aircraft would offer reduced frequency on the run

so i'll pose my question again

are you willing to pay more for comfort if it also means less frequency?

[whiteguy]

if yield must remain the same than the larger aircraft would offer reduced frequency on the run

so i'll pose my question again

are you willing to pay more for comfort if it also means less frequency?

Or don't pay more and have the seat empty beside anyway?

[Four1oh]

Actually thats not a valid question. Larger aircraft have a lower seat mile cost than smaller aircraft of the same vintage, so price should be cheaper on the larger aircraft. So then we're back to comfort.

And if you can't fill the larger airplane because of the lack of demand for that many seats in that same market? Now you're dumping seats to fill the plane...

[shannon]

Use you lower seat mile cost to offer cheaper seats and more comfortable aircraft to entice passengers. Combined with WJ perceived lowering of service standards this shouldn't be to difficult.

Actually just wait until WJ passengers experience the "comfort" of the 737 for all those hours and they will go running for the closest widebody.

[whiteguy]

Actually thats not a valid question. Larger aircraft have a lower seat mile cost than smaller aircraft of the same vintage, so price should be cheaper on the larger aircraft. So then we're back to comfort.

And if you can't fill the larger airplane because of the lack of demand for that many seats in that same market? Now you're dumping seats to fill the plane...

Looked at the loads for Dec so far and the flights are pretty full already especially the OGG flights. Not much point dumping seats when the plane is full...

[Four1oh]

Use you lower seat mile cost to offer cheaper seats and more comfortable aircraft to entice passengers. Combined with WJ perceived lowering of service standards this shouldn't be to difficult.

Actually just wait until WJ passengers experience the "comfort" of the 737 for all those hours and they will go running for the closest widebody.

Ah, thanks for that. *cough Harmony* *cough Zoom*

[Kosiw]

So yet another thread hi-jacked by a pissing contest of my plane is better than your plane...this service question is very important.

I flew WJ yesterday from QM-YZ-OW for the first time in a few years....inflight service was okay, but what got me, was that after flying exclusively on AC and Jazz for the past few years, is how tacky and cheap the WJ inflight entertainment system really is.....I find the AC/Jazz setup much better than WJ's....free movies on a larger screen, canned television programs,more variety of programs, several languages to choose from..... vs..... what 20 live channels, some in french, some that don't work (no signal), some with signal but intermittant, and its very ackward to plug the headset into the armrest, especially with people sitting next to you...you have to sit with your arms folded using your right arm tucked under the other to adjust the volume or change a channel.....whereas all you have to do with the AC/Jazz set up is touch the screen in front of you.....

Will be back to flying AC/Jazz in part for these reasons...as well as a better flight schedule over all....

My 2 cents

[stickontheice]

Sure it's a nice entertainment system. Paid for in part by the taxpayers of Canada so it should be nice. You and I gave AC a whole bunch of money without any say so that those entertainment systems can stay on and fly half empty from Calgary to Hawaii. Try and keep that in mind next Spring when you file your taxes and you don't get as much back as you thought you would. My two cents.

[mattedfred]

i get the sense that you think that the aviation industry in canada isn't fair. in that case, perhaps you would agree that WJ should be required to provide bilingual service to the same degree that AC and ACJ do?

[Kosiw]

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Sure it's a nice entertainment system. Paid for in part by the taxpayers of Canada so it should be nice. You and I gave AC a whole bunch of money without any say so that those entertainment systems can stay on and fly half empty from Calgary to Hawaii. Try and keep that in mind next Spring when you file your taxes and you don't get as much back as you thought you would. My two cents."


That's it change the top thread yet again...deflect deflect deflect, deny, deny, deny....

[confuzed]

Sure it's a nice entertainment system. Paid for in part by the taxpayers of Canada so it should be nice. You and I gave AC a whole bunch of money without any say so that those entertainment systems can stay on and fly half empty from Calgary to Hawaii. Try and keep that in mind next Spring when you file your taxes and you don't get as much back as you thought you would. My two cents.

Air Canada has received money from the government?? Really?? Huh, I've never heard that before...please enlighten me some more about this, as I haven't heard that. When was this? Please fill me in, as I like to be current on the industry that I'm in...I'm not being sarcastic, I guess I'm just misinformed so I'm curious as to when they did this. Thanks.

[moreccsplease]

Westjet also didn't put the computers for their TVs underneath the floorboards, they put them right under the seats. Another reason why AC seats are much, much more comfortable than Westjet's.