Jazz Air LP signs 5 year deal with Thomas Cook Canada

[whiteguy]

Are they going to be repainted in Jazz livery?

No!

[jetpilot]

guyz just got a rumour! the new Q400 from Ac are going to a new airline operate by Skyservice!.....
i see this coming!

[BingBong]

your about a month too late

[mbav8r]

First of all JetPilot, they're not new q400, they're used. Secondly, Jazz is still getting the planned 15 q400's, they own them. Thirdly, I don't know where you work nor do I care, but I hope for your sake they do not farm out some of the work you were expecting to get to some other company. But if they do, I'll be the one wearing the big shit eating grin you had when you thought this was funny. Now go back to the hole you crawled out of, if you don't have something useful to contribute...

[ScudRunner]

First of all JetPilot, they're not new q400, they're used. Secondly, Jazz is still getting the planned 15 q400's, they own them. Thirdly, I don't know where you work nor do I care, but I hope for your sake they do not farm out some of the work you were expecting to get to some other company. But if they do, I'll be the one wearing the big shit eating grin you had when you thought this was funny. Now go back to the hole you crawled out of, if you don't have something useful to contribute...

Ill assume you work for Jazz so why did you expect Jazz to get the contract??

So who is farming out work to who? In your retort to JetPilot it sounds like you have your head firmly up your ass if you do indeed work for Jazz.

Air Canada is starting service out of YTZ not Jazz. Jazz has zero to do with this, other than there bid was not acceptable to Air Canada and bottom line is one day AC could take every flight away from Jazz and all you would have is charter flights and and Thomas Cook .

Further to this perhaps Jazz managment was correct in bidding high, as I see it they are protected from the battle for YTZ. If it fails well SKyRegional goes tits up and Jazz goes on without a hicup and continues to pay me a nice dividend after it converts from an income fund to a dividned yeilding stock on January 1st.

So get your ass back to work, you work for me you peon.

[Localizer]

So get your ass back to work, you work for me you peon.

(I've chosen to edit this part out, I felt it brought me down to your level.)

Let a life!

Loc

[twinpratts]

Nice work, and happy trails to all my Jazz friends.

[mbav8r]

Not sure I should reply to such a disrespectful post, but for shiggles here goes.
I thought Jazz should get the work because, call me crazy, but we were doing it before and my understanding is tha AC made the decision to pull Jazz out. We were the only Teir 2 allowed under ACPA scope, again call me crazy but I didn't see that coming either. Air Canada created Jazz and the so called lucrative contract we operate under, I wonder how long the statute of limitations is on investor fraud? Now they're crying foul, typical. Air Canada. awards the work to another(cheaper) airline and we get a memo from the boss about keeping cost down(read labour cost) Wonder what our overpaid fraudsters will do to keep their cost down?
Lastly who invest in Airlines, you're a bigger idiot than I thought when I first started reading your post.
Have a great day Crudrunner!

[yycflyguy]

shiggles

Tee hee, shiggles. I am stealing that one.

[ScudRunner]

disrespectful post eh, WTF do you call your post to Jetpilot then.

So you figured that you should get the work because, and ill use your words Air Canada "farmed out" work to you in the past to cut costs to save money for Big Red. Give your head a shake man you are intitled to nothing one lawyers visit to the court and all your precious agrements are dead. If AC deams Jazz to costly they are going to do the same thing they did to there own pilot group by creating a ZIP or a Jazz etc etc its called the bottom line.

This is how its going to play out SkyRegional sets up shop and undercuts and starts to bleed Porter, then once Deluce has had enough he will sell it to AC and service will be cut to a minumum heck Jazz might get the island flying and SkyR is out. Your Salary is too expensive to win a war like this your costs are too much for AC to win the Island VS Porter. Maybe they like the new Sky regional and give them some more runs to gain market share, they start to chip away at jazz routes because they see the benifit to a non union airline, sure you will complain and maybe even strike remember this is aviation someone is going to do it for cheeper. And back on the threads original topic Thomas Cook will do the same thing to keep costs down if Jazz is too expensive they will find another to do it cheaper.

As for the stock well I bought 1000 shares at 3.68 in June, sold it at 4.50 in July for a quick profit of around 800 bucks how much did you earn in per diems working while I was out golfing? However you are correct I did not invest in Jazz what I did was simply speculating on Jazz. Not even the decent payout would keep me in Jazz long term far better less volitile companies to own that pay daddy more.

Remember Jazz was the cheapest way Air Canada could fend off WestJet on th sched runs even that wasnt good enough and along came Zip now along comes SkyRegonal its aviation its all been done before.

[mattedfred]

i find it interesting how often one pilot tells another pilot that he gets paid too much

but i'm weird like that

[Localizer]

TOOT! TOOT! ...

[fish4life]

I think he is the first person to say jazz pilots make too much money lol

[ScudRunner]

I actually believe you are underpaid, however even if the pilots at Sky Regional have the same payscale as Jazz all there pilots are on year 1. That maybe all it takes to undercut Porter where some of there pilots are on year 4 etc etc. Don't get me wrong im not slaggin the pilots of Jazz or even SkyRegional but its nothing personal its just business.

From Another Thread:

Good day everyone,

I usually read these forums but never actually posted anything. Actually, I just signed up today. I think this should be considered before anybody's resume makes it to Sky Regional Airlines.

I am very concerned with the possible arrival of Sky Regional Airlines. We are very fortunate in this country. Our national airline is currently using only 1 major regional partner. The arrival of Sky Regional would change that and could have potential desastrous implication for our future as pilots in Canada. For those who don't know; Air Canada will start serving Toronto Island again shortly. Instead of offering this work to their current regional partner, they intend on giving the work in and out of the Island to this new Airline. The Idea is clear, Sky Regional would do this work for less than Air Canada' other regional partner.

If this ever happens, we have to consider the possibility that in a few years from now, Air Canada will gladly offer its regional work to the lowest bidder.

This will most likely mean a situation similar to what they have south of the border. Ridiculous wages and poor working conditions.

Keep this in mind. If Sky Regional never happens, the work will still need to be done. These jobs that seem so appealing will still be available, most likely at Air Canada's current regional partner.

I won't hide, I work at Jazz as an FO. I have been here 3 years. Let me just say this. I was chatting an American Pilot that works for Pinnacle. He's a Captain on an RJ. We are bringing home the same money. Please help me insure we are not headed that way... Please look at the BIG picture.

Thanks for your time.

Your concerned collegue.

I think the big picture is that AC is moving towards an american style system where they have a few regional players that bid low against each other and thus AC keeps the costs down. Thats whats going on here and like I say its just business, you guys should be very concerned over this developement but I dont believe there is much you can do.

[Localizer]

Thats whats going on here and like I say its just business, you guys should be very concerned over this developement but I dont believe there is much you can do.

You're right .. There is nothing Jazz pilots can do .. AC pilots and ACPA on the other-hand could have stopped this before it began. (to some degree anyway, as there present CBA protects this.) But they chose to allow this in favor of what CR was holding in his left hand .. the problem is .. what's coming in the right hand?

Good faith mean's nothing in this business .. and I don't think ACPA realizes this, yet. I'm sure any Jazz pilot can give you a lesson in "corporate good faith".

[tailgunner]

ACPA and AC pilots are well aware of Jazz good faith. We remember the play that Jazz made on the narrow body fleet during our CCAA negots. It cost us huge. thanks a million guys.

[prop2jet]

While the "soldiers" are slinging mud at eachother the "Generals" are laughing their heads off. Going through this thread I read statements to the effect of one side "owning" the flying etc... The same divisive comments are tossed about and frankly no one is making any headway. We can go back as far as you like and will see how many times the "soldiers" backed up their respective "General's" only to get s*rewed by the very same.

The island flying was going to happen with another Tier 2 operator regardless of what ACPA was going to do and the Q400 grievance will go fail as well. Go back to CR's original agrrement with the AC BOD with respect to his compensation. I believe he get's a "healthy" performance incentive for every 1$ increase in AC's shareprice. He is motivated by his own personal greed, as just about all of us are.

As the various AC unions go into negotiations with management one thing is clear, all are going to feel pressure and your "strike leverage" is lip service at best as CR has the federal government in his back pocket ready to send everyone back and impose terms that will be favorable to AC management.

Something has to change... that change has to start with the soldiers parking their collective "baggage".

[Localizer]

ACPA and AC pilots are well aware of Jazz good faith. We remember the play that Jazz made on the narrow body fleet during our CCAA negots. It cost us huge. thanks a million guys.

And what about the RJ's? (CL64 in the AC world) You took them out of the hands of regional pilots, they were left pissed off an tried to slap you back. IMO .. we should leave the past where it is .. in the past, and move forward.

[Dark Helmet]

ACPA and AC pilots are well aware of Jazz good faith. We remember the play that Jazz made on the narrow body fleet during our CCAA negots. It cost us huge. thanks a million guys.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Bringing yourself down to their level does not make you better than them

[countryhick]

ACPA and AC pilots are well aware of Jazz good faith. We remember the play that Jazz made on the narrow body fleet during our CCAA negots. It cost us huge. thanks a million guys.

Well then you must also be aware that Jazz was a subsidiary company, drawn into the CCAA proceedings alongside AC.

[flyinhigh]

Also you must beware under CPA any aircraft with seats between 75 and 95 go to bid between the 2 groups.

Or if you wanna play that card, how about acpa making a play right now to fly the q-4's that are coming to the island. Don't believe me, I'd like you to revert your eyes to your latest news letter..

I agree though, let's quit the botching, get along and move forward.