Episode 2 Teaser of Dust Up ~ A Sprayer's Paradise

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ArcticKat wrote:Honestly, you might come off as a little more respectable and sincere if you weren't just on these forums to plug your TV show. If you want to advertise, then talk to the moderators about buying some advertising space and supporting these forums. Heck, you might even be forgiven if you'd actually take part in the conversations and comment on something that isn't a blatant effort to boost the ratings on your TV show.

You should really be plugging your show over on some forum that has farming as the primary topic, that way you might even get more clients.
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jeeze if you dont wanna watch the trailer dont click on the thread.

i am interested in them, as im sure many others are.
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Tim wrote:jeeze if you dont wanna watch the trailer dont click on the thread.

i am interested in them, as im sure many others are.
If I don't click on the link then I am not doing my due diligence to ensure that my comments are well informed and accurate. If I'm going to make a comment, courtesy and logic dictate that I must also review the content of the thread, including any associated links.
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AK, im sorry but that just doesnt make sense, and im not trying to pick a fight. but this isnt his first video or thread and there is obviously interest in it. the thread was well labelled. you CHOSE to open it anyways. i dont have a problem with you having a problem with it, i just dont get why you would open it just for the sake of complaining about it...your disinterest and disapproval are not litmus tests for whether or not something is post-worth...
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I'm happy with this guy spamming us with his promotional videos. Maybe he should keep it to one thread but otherwise it's fine.

I might not hear about the show otherwise. Yeah the reality TV thing's getting worn but at least it's more airplanes.
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Tim wrote:, i just dont get why you would open it just for the sake of complaining about it...your disinterest and disapproval are not litmus tests for whether or not something is post-worth...
So, I am only allowed to read and post to a thread if I agree with the content? I thought the entire purpose of the forum concept was to debate and discuss. I'm not permitted to express my opinions regarding the conduct of the OP? I open a thread I don't like and complain about it to express my views and opinion, some agree with me, others do not, but if you have the right to share your opinion, do I not also?

If you'll note, I never claimed that this individual did not have a post worthy comment....until it bacame obvious that he only joined this forum to make all of his posts on one topic. HIS topic. As Beef stated, he can spam all he wants, it's up to the moderators to determine where the line is and when it is crossed, not I. I just have issue with someone abusing the priveledge this forum provides in communication with like minded individuals when Dustup obviously has no other interest in any of the topics on these forums. He is serving his own self interests and nothing else.

I've made no judgement regarding the show itself because I have yet to watch it...and yes, I will watch it. It may appear campy as I stated, but I'll still give it a chance. Everyone here is quite familiar with this show now so I'm sure that Dustup has succeeded in his goal to advertise and have people support his show. I have even helped him by keeping his threads alive with my commentary. I believe my comments have been constructively critical and have contained no ad hominem attacks. Like Beef said....we have a thread on Ice Pilots, We have a thread on FWA, why can't we just have one thread for Dustup instead of him making a new one every time he has something to say?

Just as with those other threads, I have no doubt that there will be many other pilots to critique the show. Heck, some have already picked apart the unsafe behaviour in the trailers. Personally, I'm neither experienced enough or knowledgable enough about the AG flying industry to have an educated opinion or to offer discussion regarding the content of the show, but I have been a forum mod long enough to recognise DustUp for what he is.

If he can actually start making comments here without adding "Watch my show on History Channel, Thursdays at 9." Then my respect and interest may improve...who knows, I may even request to visit him at his operation and see what it's like, I'm not that far away.
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I think he's part of the production company or something that's making the show. "His operation" could be in Toronto or Vancouver. Which one are you close to?
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Big Pistons Forever wrote:
ArcticKat wrote:Honestly, you might come off as a little more respectable and sincere if you weren't just on these forums to plug your TV show. If you want to advertise, then talk to the moderators about buying some advertising space and supporting these forums. Heck, you might even be forgiven if you'd actually take part in the conversations and comment on something that isn't a blatant effort to boost the ratings on your TV show.

You should really be plugging your show over on some forum that has farming as the primary topic, that way you might even get more clients.
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Please confine comments about 'Dust Up' to this thread only. Thanks.
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Flybabe wrote:
Big Pistons Forever wrote:
ArcticKat wrote:Honestly, you might come off as a little more respectable and sincere if you weren't just on these forums to plug your TV show. If you want to advertise, then talk to the moderators about buying some advertising space and supporting these forums. Heck, you might even be forgiven if you'd actually take part in the conversations and comment on something that isn't a blatant effort to boost the ratings on your TV show.

You should really be plugging your show over on some forum that has farming as the primary topic, that way you might even get more clients.
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Another warm avcanada welcome lol
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I tried to respond to this in the origional thread like North Shore requested, but it seems to have been deleted.
Beefitarian wrote:I think he's part of the production company or something that's making the show. "His operation" could be in Toronto or Vancouver. Which one are you close to?
Dustup announces his location as Nipawin, Sask, which is also where this is filmed, so I am making the educated guess that he is one of the pilots or closely related to one of them.
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ArcticKat wrote:I tried to respond to this in the origional thread like North Shore requested, but it seems to have been deleted.
Beefitarian wrote:I think he's part of the production company or something that's making the show. "His operation" could be in Toronto or Vancouver. Which one are you close to?
Dustup announces his location as Nipawin, Sask, which is also where this is filmed, so I am making the educated guess that he is one of the pilots or closely related to one of them.
Sounds like he's not telling the truth.

NorthShore do an ip check.
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Beefitarian wrote: Sounds like he's not telling the truth.

NorthShore do an ip check.
Shrug, not that I can tell. Dustup has never posted his location in any of his posts, only in his profile. Many others on here don't even provide that information, present company included.

Dustup may be self serving, but I'll stop short of considering him dishonest.
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Dustup probably doesn't see it as "dishonest" so much as telling us where the show is based. They are probably there for filming then take it back to the studio for editing/production.
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Avcanada costs money to set up and run. I think if you want to plug your profit making venture then you should buy some advertising space and thereby tangibly contribute to the Avcanada enterprise, which is my principal objection to this thread.

I think Mr Dustup TV should stop being a freeloader and man up, otherwise I think the Mods should politely but firmly tell him to pay up or shut up.
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I suppose that's fair I suppose. Seems a little harsh.
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It's rather moot anyways. We all know that eventually someone would have discovered this show and started a thread on it that we all would have commented on. I've just never seen a post from Mikey or Joe touting IP-NWT or from Jim or Ariel Tweto begging us to watch FWA. It just seems a little pityful to me that Dustup would feel such a need.
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Ariel's cute as a button but I don't know if she could find avcanada. Points at pprune, "This one?"
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I probably should not comment....BUT..

When I hear anyone make a comment like everyone I know has hit wires and everyone I know has crashed an Ag. plane , I just compartmentalize that individual as being out of touch with reality or needs to expand their horizons a bit.

But if it makes them feel more macho have at it, I'll just stay wire hitting and accident free thanks. By the way I imported the first Pawnee 235 into Canada in 1961 and flew it for two seasons the registration was CF-NVY.

I'm with Flybabe on this one, the industry does not need missleading comments such as I heard on their trailer.

Maybe I just didn't stay in Ag. flying long enough to hit wires and wreck a machine as I only flew seven seasons? And I only flew J3's on wheels and floats , Super Cubs, Stearmans, a Pawnee, a Citabria and the Hughes 300 in that line of work.

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., glad you piped in. Ag was, by far, some of my BEST flying and NONE of it was dramatized, bogus, or "incredibly dangerous" as portrayed

Hey, maybe I was doing something wrong, though.
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Big Pistons Forever wrote:Avcanada costs money to set up and run. I think if you want to plug your profit making venture then you should buy some advertising space and thereby tangibly contribute to the Avcanada enterprise, which is my principal objection to this thread.

I think Mr Dustup TV should stop being a freeloader and man up, otherwise I think the Mods should politely but firmly tell him to pay up or shut up.
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Beyond all doubt Flybabe Ag. flying was my favorite also.

I am sure some here will think I am an assho.e and self serving and guilty of hijacking this thread...but what the hell I'll do this anyhow. :mrgreen:

Here is a short story I wrote about fifteen years ago when I was motivated to write a book.
The Tobacco Fields - By . .

For generations the farmers of southern Ontario have planted cared for harvested and cured tobacco in a small area on the northern shores of lake Erie. Our part in this very lucrative cash crop was aerial application of fertilizers and pesticides better known as crop dusting.

At the end of the twentieth century this form of farming is slowly dying due to the ever-increasing movement of the anti-smoking segment of society. Although few would argue the health risks of smoking it is interesting that our government actively supports both sides of this social problem. Several times in the past ten or so years I have rented a car and driven back to the tobacco farming area of Southern Ontario, where over forty years ago I was part of that unique group of pilots who earned their living flying the crop dusting planes.

The narrow old highways are still there, but like the tobacco farms they are slowly fading into history as newer and more modern freeways are built. The easiest way of finding tobacco country is to drive highway 3, during the nineteen forties and early fifties this winding narrow road was the main route from Windsor through the heart of tobacco country and on to the Niagara district. Soon after leaving the modern multi lane 401 to highway 3 you will begin to realize that although it was only a short drive you have drifted back a long way in time. Driving through the small villages and towns very little has changed and life seems to be as it was in the boom days of tobacco farming, when transients came from all over the continent for the harvest. They came by the hundreds to towns like Aylmer, Tillsonberg, Deli and Simcoe, these towns that were synonymous with tobacco have changed so little it is like going back in time.

Several of the airfields we flew our Cubs, Super Cubs and Stearmans out of in the fifties and early sixties are still there. Just outside of Simcoe highway 3 runs right past the airport and even before turning into the driveway to the field I can see that after all these years nothing seems to have changed. I could be in a time warp and can imagine a Stearman or Cub landing and one of my old flying friends getting out of his airplane after another morning killing tobacco horn worms, and saying come on . lets walk down to the restaurant and have breakfast. The tobacco hornworm was a perennial pest and our most important and profitable source of income. Most of my old companion's names have faded from memory as the years have passed and we went our different ways but some of them are easy to recall.

Like Lorne Beacroft a really great cropduster and Stearman pilot. Lorne and I shared many exciting adventures in our airplanes working together from the row crop farms in Southern Ontario to conifer release spraying all over Northern Ontario for the big pulp and paper companies. Little did we know then that many years later I would pick up a newspaper thousands of miles away and read about Lorne being Canadas first successful heart transplant. I wonder where he is today and what he is doing?

There are others, Tom Martindale whom I talked to just last year after over forty years, now retired having flown a long career with Trans Canada Airlines, now named Air Canada. Then there was Howard Zimmerman who went on to run his own helicopter company and still in the aerial applicating business last I heard of him. And who could forget Bud Boughner another character that just disappeared probably still out there somewhere flying for someone.

I have been back to St. Thomas, another tobacco farming town on highway 3 twice in the last several years to pick up airplanes to move for people in my ferry business. The airport has changed very little over the years. The hanger where I first learned to fly cropdusters is still there with the same smell of chemicals that no Ag. Pilot can ever forget. It is now the home of Hicks and Lawrence who were in the business in the fifties and still at it, only the airplanes have changed.

My first flying job started in that hangar, right from a brand new commercial license to the greatest flying job that any pilot could ever want. There were twenty-three of us who started the crop dusting course early that spring, in the end only three were hired and I was fortunate to have been one of them.

With the grand total of 252 hours in my log book I started my training with an old duster pilot named George Walker. Right from the start he let me know that I was either going to fly this damned thing right on its limits and be absolutely perfect in flying crop spraying patterns or the training wouldn't last long. It was fantastic not only to learn how to really fly unusual attitudes but do it right at ground level.

To become a good crop duster pilot required that you accurately fly the airplane to evenly apply the chemicals over the field being treated. We really had to be careful with our flying when applying fertilizers in early spring as any error was there for all to see as the crop started growing. This was achieved by starting on one side of the field maintaining a constant height, airspeed and track over the crop. Just prior to reaching the end of your run full power was applied, and at the last moment the spray booms were shut off and at the same time a forty-five degree climb was initiated. As soon as you were clear of obstructions a turn right or left was made using forty five to sixty degrees of bank. After approximately three seconds a very quick turn in the opposite direction was entered until a complete one hundred and eighty degree change of direction had been completed. If done properly you were now lined up exactly forty-five feet right or left of the track you had just flown down the field.

From that point a forty-five degree dive was entered and with the use of power recovery to level flight was made at the exact height above the crop and the exact airspeed required for the next run down the field in the opposite direction to your last pass. Speed was maintained from that point by reducing power.

To finish the course and be one of the three finally hired was really hard to believe. To be paid to do this was beyond belief. When the season began we were each assigned an airplane, a crash helmet, a tent and sleeping bag and sent off to set up what was to be our summer home on some farmers field. Mine was near Langdon just a few miles from lake Erie.

Last year I tried without success to find the field where my Cub and I spent a lot of that first summer. Time and change linked with my memory of its location being from flying into it rather than driving to it worked against me and I was unable to find it. Remembering it however is easy, how could one forget crawling out of my tent just before sunrise to mix the chemicals? Then pump it into the spray tank and hand start the cub. Then to be in the air just as it was getting light enough to see safely and get in as many acres as possible before the wind came up and shut down our flying until evening. Then with luck the wind would go down enough to allow us to resume work before darkness would shut us down for the day. The company had a very good method for assuring we would spray the correct field.

Each new job was given to us by the salesman who after selling the farmer drew a map for the pilots with the location of the farm and each building and its color plus all the different crops were written on the map drawn to scale. As well as the buildings all trees, fences and power lines were drawn to scale. It was very easy for us to find and positively identify our field to be sprayed and I can not remember us making any errors in that regard.

Sadly there were to many flying errors made and during the first three years that I crop-dusted eight pilots died in this very demanding type of flying in our area. Most of the accidents were due to stalling in turns or hitting power lines, fences or trees.

One new pilot who had only been with us for two weeks died while doing a low level stall turn and spinning in, he was just to low to recover from the loss of control. He had been on his way back from a spraying mission when he decided to put on an airshow at the farm of his girlfriend of the moment. This particular accident was to be the last for a long time as those of us who were flying for the different companies in that area had by that time figured out what the limits were that we could not go beyond.

Even though there were a lot of accidents in the early years they at least gave the industry the motivation to keep improving on flying safety, which made a great difference in the frequency of pilot error accidents. Agricultural flying has improved in other areas as well especially in the use of toxic chemicals.

In 1961 Rachel Carson wrote a book called "The silent spring. " This book was the beginning of public awareness to the danger of the wide area spraying of chemicals especially the use of D.D.T. to control Mosquitoes and black flies.

For years all over the world we had been using this chemical not really aware that it had a very long-term residual life. When Rachels book pointed out that D.D.T. had began to build up in the food chain in nature, she also showed that as a result many of the birds and other species were in danger of being wiped out due to D.D.T. Her book became a best seller and we in the aerial application business were worried that it would drastically affect our business, and it did.

The government agency in Ontario that regulated pesticides and their use called a series of meetings with the industry. From these meetings new laws were passed requiring us to attend Guelph agricultural college and receive a diploma in toxicology and entomology. I attended these classes and in the spring of 1962 passed the exams and received Pest Control License Class 3 - Aerial Applicator.

My license number was 001. Now if nothing else I can say that I may not have been the best but I was the first. Without doubt the knowledge and understanding of the relationship of these chemicals to the environment more than made up for all the work that went into getting the license. From that point on the industry went to great length to find and use chemicals less toxic to our animal life and also to humans.

It would be easy to just keep right on writing about aerial application and all the exciting and sometimes boring experiences we had, however I will sum it all up with the observation that crop dusting was not only my first flying job it was without doubt the best. I flew seven seasons' crop dusting and I often think of someday giving it another go, at least for a short time.
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O-M-G!!! We need to find a producer and make a TV series based on that story.....any ideas for a name anyone? :D
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The . . show. Kickin' a and taking names but never crashing planes.
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