"Just building up ice..."

[trey kule]

Well, Nutster.

I think we may be discussing a bit of a semantics thing here and comparing apples to oranges.
The pilot described in the original post, as I understand it.
a. Was willing to expose his passangers to unnecesary risk by intentionally remaining in icing conditions so he could "see how it handled"
b He beleived that nothing bad could happen , such as a very quick increase in ice build up and loss of contorl of the aircraft because there was warmer air below,
this was intentional...It is all about attitude and a lack of maturity, responsability , and a feeling of invulnerabilty and macho.
These are not things that can be learned by right seat time. There are instance after instance in the CADORS and FAA accident reports of pilots with this attitude, that as soon as they were given left seat priveleges, tried this type of stupid stunt, and....died.

Right Seat..Left Seat. We all take home lessons from our experiences.
But no amount of time in the right seat is going to change the attitude of someone so irresponsable as to knowlingly place their pax in any situation that poses more risk. Or remain in a potentially dangerous situation when they know there are options available to exit it.
The only thing that people like this learn from is consequence serious enough to stop their rationalizations.

I would suspect that as almost all of Canadian aviation reads these forums, that our super ice pilot has by now had a very serious chat with his CP, and hopefully will not try such a dumb thing again. Being inflexable and harsh in these instances is necessary to counterbalance the rationalizations and invulnerabilty of those young pilots who try these things.

I feel quite confident in making the prediction, that this winter, there will be more than one accident involving the lives of innocent pax from pilots remaining in icing conditions when they could have exited them Do you think our young pilot here learned that lesson, or now is even more confident in his ability to continue flying in ice as the plane handled pretty good on autopilot?

lastly, I dont recall having ever seen in SOP's that the role of a Captain is to teach an FO? it just happens through experience, and smart FO's learn...Others , the minute they are cut loose willrevert to their original irresponsable ways.

[Flying Nutcracker]

Well put, and I agree with your points.

Even though SOPs are not tailored directly towards teaching from the left seat, a lot can be said about leading by example and instilling good airmanship from left to right. Being exposed to different situations under sound leadership from the left seat can be very valuable to an inexperienced newbie.

But we are in to semantics, so I will leave it at that.

Nutster

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Integrity, common sense and mature thinking are not attributes one can teach to an F.O.

These are character traits one brings to the right hand seat and can not be "taught " by any captain.

Therefore the right hand seat is not a class room in the sense a training school is, the right hand seat is a place to gain experience one can add to the above character traits.

In other words you can not teach an idiot to be an airman.