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I fully agree with the suggestion to charge a fee for health services. When you see what it costs, I think a lot of people would think twice about going to emerg with a sore arm.

I get bills sent to the house after every medical event, from doctors visit to surgery. A Knee surgery in Switzerland costs roughly 12,000 give or take. A typical doctors visit around 150. I get reimbursed but still, I think twice.

This blackberry is dying. Have a great easter, everyone. I hope you have nice weather.
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Canada is getting worse for taxes all the time. But I guess we have to fund the non-working free loaders somehow. As far as health care goes, I had to wait almost a year for a procedure. They thought I had cancer. :roll: Thankfully the test showed I was ok. The long wait for the specialist caused me so much stress I probably have a brain tumor. Next time I will get checked outside of country. Dropping the tax credit is a good reason to make a permanent move out of the country. And yes, I do pay taxes to the country I work in.
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mbav8r wrote:Let me be clear, if you are not living in Canada and don't plan on returning to the land of "free" health care, I don't care where or if you pay taxes. The ones that do plan on coming back, it's wrong to expect a country that you took no part in supporting, to take care of you later on in life.To the original topic, if because of this loss of credit, the out of country contract no longer works for, don't do it.
Simple
So based on this argument, if someone wants to emigrate to this country in their middle or later years of life, or who knowlingly comes here with health problems should have to pay back all the years they would have paid before coming into this country? I guess the same would go for pensions too?

Don't blame people who where hired based on this tax credit. Blame the f#&king government who have pissed away trillions of dollars and are coming up with more ways to squeeze every penny they can from you to fix their screwups! Income tax, fuel tax, restaurant tax, death tax, plus 5% after tax on everything you do or buy. Not to mention provincial income and sales taxes! I will take advantage of every possible way to avoid paying taxes in this semi socialist country!

Oh, and that nice $12K refund? It usually goes towards major purchases, creating taxes, and increased or steady employment (taxes).
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Lost Lake wrote: Oh, and that nice $12K refund? It usually goes towards major purchases, creating taxes, and increased or steady employment (taxes).
Exactly!
And KK7, you put up this Overseas tax credit subject eloquently on the previous page.
Much better than I would have.


I suspect that if mbav8r had benefited once from this tax credit, he would with all honesty review his speech.
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Raven, I was thinking the last time I saw you that your bike was looking a little rough. I was going to suggest you use your entire tax refund on maintenance on that bike. Better yet, buy a couple more just like it to keep the paint on all 3 a lot fresher.

mbav8r, people get the overseas tax allowance for 2 reasons. They are making money in a foreign country and bringing that money back to Canada to spend on our domestic economy. They are also not living in and using the services and infrastructure that those same tax dollars fund for more than half, or in most cases, most or all of the year. I lived overseas in Africa full time for more than 3 years. You think that on top of the taxes I paid in the country I was in, that I should also be paying taxes to Canada for services I never used? I paid those taxes when I was in Africa and all I got in return was crap roads, broken hospitals, no electricity, no water and in my case, an ATC system that tried to kill me daily. I'm paying my fair share for Canada in more ways than just making sure I've sent the government big enough cheques. I'm not here to subsidize your lifestyle just as I'm sure you don't subsidize mine in any way. I pay my healthcare premiums in Canada just like you. Unfortunately for me, when I get sick, I get to go to a local hospital with marginal doctors and rarely any drugs. So tell me again, why should I pay the same taxes as you?
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My 2 cents on this topic...

I worked in Australia for 6 months in the late 90s. I paid taxes to the Australian government and was able to recoup approx 50% of what I paid, and then most of that went to my Canadian Taxes. At the end of the day, both countries got a piece of my pie. That was what I thought was unfair. When I was working and living in Australia, I felt it was fair to pay taxes to my host country...but didnt feel Canada should get any cut of my salary if I wasnt here, using services etc etc.

When I returned to Canada and started working for a Canadian carrier, I didnt mind paying my taxes here. I feel if you work overseas, you should pay your host country on their tax schedule and not Canada`s.

The example of the woman in her 60s who returned to Canada from the States after several decades there, only to receive the free health care we have up here...well these are the people that know how to "play the system" and they are the people our tax dollars prop up and offer all these free services too... On your nickel and mine! Canada has become a socialist country now and we take care of the welfare roll pretty damn well. I would suggest that if you are out of the country for decades as was this lady who returned for the free health care, those are the people we need to slam the door shut on! They made a decision many years ago to live and work in the USA...when they become older and unemployed, they feel entitled to come back and use all our system for free? A system we have ALL paid for (except for the people who use this loophole to come back). Its a stress on our already over stressed health care system...and I suppose thats why provinces like Alberta have 2 tier healthcare (some say its 3 tier). If you havent lived or worked in Canada for the past 30 years, yet you come home to take advantage of our system, thats where I get my back up and say NO damn way! I hope the government will soon close these loopholes so this type of abuse will end.

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I'm not saying that was your case flyinthebug but there is a big difference between living full time in one host country, inside your own house with your personal car.
Than rotating one or two months at a time, in different countries. Always in hotels or crew houses with rental cars, cabs or local drivers to move you around.
Almost the definition of a tourist mind you :mrgreen:

The Overseas tax credit is not a loophole and does not compare with what ever happen with the health care system.
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Wacko
If you think Alberta is bad you should try Manitoba. I have lost 2 neurologists in 3 years to AB. (Ironically where I moved from 3.5 years ago). I am currently looking at ways of getting treatment in AB from my most recently departed doctor as I have only my GP now here in MB. WTF!!!
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bobcaygeon wrote:Wacko
If you think Alberta is bad you should try Manitoba. I have lost 2 neurologists in 3 years to AB. (Ironically where I moved from 3.5 years ago). I am currently looking at ways of getting treatment in AB from my most recently departed doctor as I have only my GP now here in MB. WTF!!!
This is a leading reason why moving bacK holds little appeal. As I age, I appreciate immediate access to specialized care, such as same day MRI,s. Sure, I pay costly private insurance, but so do Resident Canadians pay high taxes for health care.
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bmc wrote:
mbav8r wrote:Are the people who are "working" overseas paying tax there? Not likely and if you are not then why should you not pay taxes somewhere? I get if this affects you, you are going to be upset but if this situation no longer benefits you, you either ask for more money to offset the taxes for a net loss of zero or come back and work here and pay your taxes like everyone else.
I live in one province and work in another, the tax rate in the province I work is much lower and I pay taxes where I live, so every year I owe money. Wish there was an OOPTC(out of province tax credit) so I could avoid paying taxes on 80% of my earnings. Seem silly?
I can't believe this even existed in the first place and I think it will mostly affect the corporations that take contracts out of country, because they will have to pay more to find people willing to do it.
Bottom line quit your whining and pay your taxes![/quote

I have been living as an expat for 14 years. I use no Canadian services at all. I own no property in Canada. And I'm in a tax free status because of my employer. Are you saying I should be paying Canadian taxes just because?
In that case, I'm sure you've taken the steps to be deemed a
non-resident and this won't affect you.
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Long ago. :-)
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iwould like to see if the expat companies ie voyegeur / trans captial / borek etc especially chc corp were previously liberal supporters . the current conservative govt has a mad on to oust those who bankrolled the the liberals // if you have not read the great book about craig dobbins life " hell of of a ride " by reynolds I would urge you to read it . It still can be ordered from chapters// in a chapter it talks briefly about 'payote' in foriegn countries. back to thread her is what ya do set up an incorporated company outside of canada, delaware is a common jurisdiction . work overseas as per usuall declare all income as per ccra and pay 11.5% canadain corporate tax
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