Doctors have the College of Physicians and Surgeons to regulate how many Doctors graduate, without that we could easily have Five times as many Doctors and low Medical costs. The Government wont allow more Doctors either because they all bill to their legal max and are already bankrupting the system. The solution, free enterprise and graduate Five to Ten times as many Doctors from medical school. Then we wouldn't have to wait for Medical care and Palliative care would be more than just a place to up the morphine until the Patient dies.biatch wrote:Here we go again; pilots comparing themselves to doctors. Just one major difference among many: doctors stick together.
Air Canada threatens to fire Strachan over remarks on safety
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"The solution, free enterprise"
Correct. Not one size fits all socialistic Canadian medicare. At any rate, with regards to solidarity, the are far and above pilots in general.
Correct. Not one size fits all socialistic Canadian medicare. At any rate, with regards to solidarity, the are far and above pilots in general.
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Alright, nice thread drift…
The reports in the media indicate the 'small group of rouge' pilots caused +70 cancellations and hence the (very expedient) CIRB ruling which threatens individual pilots $1000 for calling in sick. By Air Canada's own admission there were 151 pilot book offs on Friday, when the average was stated as 40-70 sick calls per day. That figure itself struck me as high, however with 3000 pilots it works out to 5-9 sick days per pilot a year.
With no other major disruptions systemwide during a slow time of the year, 70 cancellations strikes me as a pretty big number. I'm not suggesting that there wasn't an organized sick-in, but it doesn't seem like Air Canada tried very hard to cover the flying. In fact after digging around I haven't found any pilots that were called for draft or makeup on friday, even one pilot who had listed themselves as being available for draft. It's interesting that only domestic flights were cancelled, no international flights.
As I suggested earlier in this thread Air Canada worked very diligently to incite a riot with its threats to Capt's Strachan and Belanger, but they certainly didn't attempt to mitigate the damage. This was done not only to obtain a standing order from the CIRB, but also to make it seem as though ACPA has lost control of the membership.
On a separate note, I believe the CIRB ruling is dangerous. Pilots need to be trusted with the duty to self assess their personal fitness for duty. This ruling empowers Air Canada's already heavy handed approach of calling pilots with 'questionable' book-offs, demanding Doctors notes, and having pilots come in for meetings with respect to their attendance. The threat of having a sick day categorized as part of an 'illegal strike' and subject to a $1000 fine will result in pilots flying sick.
Fly safe, these are tough times.
The reports in the media indicate the 'small group of rouge' pilots caused +70 cancellations and hence the (very expedient) CIRB ruling which threatens individual pilots $1000 for calling in sick. By Air Canada's own admission there were 151 pilot book offs on Friday, when the average was stated as 40-70 sick calls per day. That figure itself struck me as high, however with 3000 pilots it works out to 5-9 sick days per pilot a year.
With no other major disruptions systemwide during a slow time of the year, 70 cancellations strikes me as a pretty big number. I'm not suggesting that there wasn't an organized sick-in, but it doesn't seem like Air Canada tried very hard to cover the flying. In fact after digging around I haven't found any pilots that were called for draft or makeup on friday, even one pilot who had listed themselves as being available for draft. It's interesting that only domestic flights were cancelled, no international flights.
As I suggested earlier in this thread Air Canada worked very diligently to incite a riot with its threats to Capt's Strachan and Belanger, but they certainly didn't attempt to mitigate the damage. This was done not only to obtain a standing order from the CIRB, but also to make it seem as though ACPA has lost control of the membership.
On a separate note, I believe the CIRB ruling is dangerous. Pilots need to be trusted with the duty to self assess their personal fitness for duty. This ruling empowers Air Canada's already heavy handed approach of calling pilots with 'questionable' book-offs, demanding Doctors notes, and having pilots come in for meetings with respect to their attendance. The threat of having a sick day categorized as part of an 'illegal strike' and subject to a $1000 fine will result in pilots flying sick.
Fly safe, these are tough times.
Re: Air Canada threatens to fire Strachan over remarks on sa
[quote="TheStig"]Unbelievable, (almost) at a loss for words. It's hard to believe that management could be so petty. They've WON, their end game of Final Offer Selection Arbitration has been achieved. Yet with the proverbial bear in a cage, they've continued to poke it. Why do they continue to provoke labour action?
Good will amongst the pilot group disappeared when it became apparent that the corporation wasn't willing to negotiate, and they've been struggling to cope operationally since then. Unfortunately it would seem things are going to get worse.
Capt. Strachan and Capt. Belanger are the voice of the pilot group, threatening to silence them for openly questioning the direction the industry is headed with respect to safety is incomprehensible and dangerous. Is cutting off your nose to spite your face justifiable when someone is threatening to severe your head?
Stig, you assume that Air Canada sees this as a competition. From what I can determine, these are separate issues. Why would union leaders be immune from discipline if they violate the company code of conduct? I guess the more important question is why are the pilot union leaders making comments in the media about Aveos at all. Both seem ill-informed on this subject matter, but what has any of this got to do with pilot negotiations? As for your comment on provoking labour action, why did these 2 guys ensure that these letters, which are personal confidential documents, be given to the media? I think it was to incite labour action, there could be no other reason. Let's call a poke a poke and this case I smell a rat, in fact 2 rats!
Both have crossed the line here, and if they were once the voice I doubt very much they are now the voice of the vast majority of Air Canada pilots who conduct themselves professionally.
Good will amongst the pilot group disappeared when it became apparent that the corporation wasn't willing to negotiate, and they've been struggling to cope operationally since then. Unfortunately it would seem things are going to get worse.
Capt. Strachan and Capt. Belanger are the voice of the pilot group, threatening to silence them for openly questioning the direction the industry is headed with respect to safety is incomprehensible and dangerous. Is cutting off your nose to spite your face justifiable when someone is threatening to severe your head?
Stig, you assume that Air Canada sees this as a competition. From what I can determine, these are separate issues. Why would union leaders be immune from discipline if they violate the company code of conduct? I guess the more important question is why are the pilot union leaders making comments in the media about Aveos at all. Both seem ill-informed on this subject matter, but what has any of this got to do with pilot negotiations? As for your comment on provoking labour action, why did these 2 guys ensure that these letters, which are personal confidential documents, be given to the media? I think it was to incite labour action, there could be no other reason. Let's call a poke a poke and this case I smell a rat, in fact 2 rats!
Both have crossed the line here, and if they were once the voice I doubt very much they are now the voice of the vast majority of Air Canada pilots who conduct themselves professionally.
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Re: Air Canada threatens to fire Strachan over remarks on sa
I don't believe either has crossed any line. They both have been totally professional in all their actions. Could you please explain how you think they have "crossed the line" ?Scythe wrote: Both have crossed the line here, and if they were once the voice I doubt very much they are now the voice of the vast majority of Air Canada pilots who conduct themselves professionally.
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They shouldn't be. They shouldn't be TARGETED to make a statement either.Why would union leaders be immune from discipline if they violate the company code of conduct?
