Sunwing 601 loss of control

[whipline]

Thanks Gilles. First I've heard of it. No idea, but obviously tankering.

[Santiago]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236 If you children want to start pointing out every little incident at Sunwing maybe you should look to your own back yard first. Don't ever think it won't happen to you.

[Rogerdodger2]

Every operation has incidents. I don't see the point of this thread. I'm sure we could all start listing examples of such incidents from any airline we choose.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236 If you children want to start pointing out every little incident at Sunwing maybe you should look to your own back yard first. Don't ever think it won't happen to you.

You seem to think that TS236 and every other incident at TS was not mentioned at length here and elsewhere ?

[3 holer]

So far Doc is the only one who gets it. If you suspected a problem with your aircraft as a result of an inflight incident that may affect the safety of your pax and crew why would fly past many suitable airports that could easily handle 738's for almost two more hours and then wait until arriving at your original destination to declare an emergency. I know diversions can become operational nightmares and costly events but if everything was ok with the ship to carry on to the destination the flight should not consider itself as an emergency aircraft. Maybe a pan pan at the very most. I am just trying to understand the logic of the thought process involved that resulted in such a lengthy delay in changing the status of the flight from normal to emergency almost two hours after the event that is related to the distress call. This is not a finger pointing exercise, smear campaign or Monday morning QB comments but more an interesting topic that warrants discussion not just because its sunwing. Regarding the reference to Transat 236, that topic was discussed to death to a point documentaries and a movie was made about it. It has no relevance to this topic other than demonstrating how not properly assessing a situation, following checklist s and procedures properly and delaying a diversion almost cost everyone their lives because they did not believe the indications they had to be genuine and were concerned about the operation chaos and heat from company if they diverted for no real reason except for an indication issue only. If we are going to keep the discussion going stay on topic and dont side track the issue. If you want to discuss transat 236 then start another thread although I dont know what else we can gleen from that incident that has not already been done in the past.

[Santiago]

Although your quest seemed to start out as a noble cause Gilles, it seems that you have managed to turn it into a great big pissing match between Sunwing pilots and the rest of the pilots in Canada. So now every time something happens on a Sunwing flight, it must be reported on here in a judgmental way almost as to imply that Sunwing pilots are sub standard and fools.
My point was not to bring up AT’s past but to make the point to all the clowns who sit back in judgment and criticize certain events and occurrences while looking down their noses at the decisions made by the pilots involved. Then to make comments to imply they wouldn’t do things that way because they are far superior pilots and the involved pilots must be morons for doing things the way they did.
To all you pilots who sit back and judge the occurrences that have happened or that will happen in the future with any of the carriers in this country or any other country for that matter. May you have a long career that is incident free? May you always make the best decision under a stressful situation? In the event you are not so fortunate and something should happen where the course of action you happen to take is not necessarily the best course of action, (although at the time you felt it was). May you not be judged by your fellow pilots in such critical ways?
Let’s start to treat our fellow pilots with professional courtesy and respect.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Although your quest seemed to start out as a noble cause Gilles, it seems that you have managed to turn it into a great big pissing match between Sunwing pilots and the rest of the pilots in Canada.

Hey jerk!
I didn't start this thread.
I didn't comment on it.

In my two posts here, I :

1) provided a TSB link where it showed on the contrary that high altitude stalls or approach to stalls were common and touched many companies
2) replied with an article link to someone who asked "What missing fuel"

I am fed up with being accused of b/s by anonymous people in these forums.

[whipline]

Three holer. They didn't declare an emergency on arrival into yyz hours after the turbulence. They declared an emergency to facilitate a rapid decent from 39,000 to 35,000 while the event was unfolding. Just because its on the Internet doesn't make it accurate.

[ea306]

That makes perfect sense. RVSM airspace and traffic considerations.

Would have done exactly the same thing. And why would you want to divert once you have the aircraft under control and maintaining altitude just fine at the lower flight level?

A May Day call or a Pan Pan call is prudent to alert other aircraft around you. Would of done exactly the same and unless it is obvious that there is another issue such as structural then of course a diversion would be executed. Otherwise the event is no longer an issue...so proceed to destination.

Simple really.

My 2cents.

[hst]

3holer, you want to understand the thought process on delaying emergency status in this incident. Show us that a delayed occurred and this thread may get more traction?