PRISON ESCAPE IN A R44

[Expat]

The escape was from a Quebec Jail - jails don't have guns - so they don't have any way to shoot at a helicopter.

Prisons have guns, America's favourite ARF-15's - that helicopter would have got shot up if it landed near a Quebec Prison.

Ironic, isn't it? The bad guys had guns, the good guys didn't and the pilot lives. Had the good guys had guns, the pilot probably dies.

If had the pilot's shoes on, it makes you wonder who are the good and bad guys, doesn't it?

[Heliian]

They had a death wish for sure, just getting into that 44.

I don't think the pilot is as innocent as claimed, his skills would go out the window under duress and would most likely not be able to control the a/c well enough to extract the cons that effeciently.

[Cessna driver]

They had a death wish for sure, just getting into that 44.

I don't think the pilot is as innocent as claimed, his skills would go out the window under duress and would most likely not be able to control the a/c well enough to extract the cons that effeciently.

Do you know the pilot?

I wouldn't even answer like that unless i knew him. Some people handle stress better. Obviously better than you.

[Krimson]

They had a death wish for sure, just getting into that 44.

I don't think the pilot is as innocent as claimed, his skills would go out the window under duress and would most likely not be able to control the a/c well enough to extract the cons that effeciently.

That's absolute rubbish.

[Dash-Ate]

Perps should be charged with Hijacking and Terrorism and given full sentences. Which in Kanada will be like 10 years

[benoit.baril]

I don't think the pilot is as innocent as claimed,

I'd like to agree... but it may have something to do with the number of thriller movies I watched lately.

[r22captain]

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I don't think the pilot is as innocent as claimed, his skills would go out the window under duress and would most likely not be able to control the a/c well enough to extract the cons that effeciently.

That is the most unintelligent thing I've ever seen you post.

[golden hawk]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ ... -1.3492898

VIDEO

Video of helicopter escape from St-Jérôme jail made public
Brazen escape of 2 inmates from Saint-Jérôme, Que., detention centre in 2013 caught on video
CBC News Posted: Mar 15, 2016 7:47 PM ET Last Updated: Mar 15, 2016 7:47 PM ET





A video showing a helicopter escape of two inmates in 2013 from a detention centre in St-Jérôme, Que., was unveiled today during the trial of Hells Angels sympathizer Benjamin Hudon-Barbeau.

Hudon-Barbeau, 38, is accused of participating in a series of unrelated crimes in the province's Laurentians region in the fall of 2012 relating to a drug turf war. He pleaded not guilty to two counts of first-degree murder and three counts of attempted murder.

Hudon-Barbeau made headlines in March 2013 after he and Danny Provençal escaped from a Saint-Jérôme detention centre after two accomplices hijacked a helicopter and forced its pilot to fly to the jail.

Hudon-Barbeau and Provençal climbed up a rope into the waiting chopper.

The video shows the men climbing up the rope to get onto the roof, where a helicopter was waiting. Two accomplices, who were armed, were aboard the aircraft.

In the video, Hudon-Barbeau and Provençal appear to have difficulty climbing onto the roof. They both cling to the rope, which is attached to the helicopter. As the chopper takes off, it carries Hudon-Barbeau and Provençal with it.

A few hours later, police nabbed the two inmates.

Hudon-Barbeau was serving time at the provincial jail for gun possession at the time of his escape.

'It's only in the movies that you can shoot down a helicopter with a handgun.'
– Mathieu Lavoie, SASPQC union president
The union president of Peace Officers in Correctional Services of Quebec (SASPQC), Mathieu Lavoie, told Radio-Canada that guards were unable to interfere during the helicopter escape.

"We have to evaluate who's on board the helicopter — they were accomplices. Were they armed? We cannot intervene with inmates climbing a rope," he said. "It's only in the movies that you can shoot down a helicopter with a handgun."

Lavoie said that since the incident in March 2013, nothing has changed and no new security measures have been put in place.

In order to prevent a similar incident, the union is calling for heightened searches, specifically those that would detect cellphones.

Hudon-Barbeau and Provençal co-ordinated their escape from the St-Jérôme facility using a mobile device.

A similar incident happened in November 2014, when three inmates also escaped via helicopter from a detention centre near Quebec City.

With files from Radio-Canada reporter Karine Bastien

[jschnurr]

How did no one notice a running helicopter on the roof for like 5 minutes? Or how did no one notice two men thrashing around trying to climb up a rope? I thought the escape plan was better executed than that...

[cncpc]

How did no one notice a running helicopter on the roof for like 5 minutes? Or how did no one notice two men thrashing around trying to climb up a rope? I thought the escape plan was better executed than that...

You have to ask these questions?

How were they so lucky to hijack a helicopter with a hook, AND, a rope?

How were they so lucky to get a pilot with long line training?

Why bother with a rope? Nobody in a jail, even with guns, is going to shoot at a helicopter in which at least an innocent pilot will be killed, to stop a couple of nuisances who'll be caught in the next week anyway? In fact, why not just drop them a bag of guns and taxi money. If you're the only one in a jail without guns, you're due for early release.

Your man at the heli company in Hope was hijacked once and dropped these two geniuses off on an island in Harrison Lake.

As for killing the pilot, really? You're in jail for a few months, in one case for associating with a criminal, and suddenly you decide you want to have a murder charge to go with being a nuisance?


Edit: Sorry, I thought this happened today and then after posting, saw Golden Hawk's story.

A Hell's Angel's "sympathizer"? Like, he felt sorry for them?

[cncpc]

Ok, I've seen the video. Darwinism isn't a perfect theory.

I'm not an expert helicopter pilot by any means, but isn't that a bit of a risky proposition having 500 lbs. of escapee dangling so far outboard of the mast?

[Moesif]

That was just too comedic to watch They should have air lifted the guy on top of the roof and then enter the copter safely

[Meddler]

i think they should have done more chin-ups while they were in jail.

[digits_]

I must secretly admit I have a certain level of respect for those prisoners though. They were obviously not prepared, yet had no issue hanging on to a rope under a frigging helicopter during a jail break.

[Nark]

Ok, I've seen the video. Darwinism isn't a perfect theory.

I'm not an expert helicopter pilot by any means, but isn't that a bit of a risky proposition having 500 lbs. of escapee dangling so far outboard of the mast?

Not really.
A quick search found the (sling)load limit for a Robby 44 is 800 lbs.

It starts to get dangerous when you let the load oscillate, if left uncorrected.

You can tell these dudes hit the poutine more than the gym. Quite comical.

[ChrisEvans]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_h ... on_escapes

HUH ... who knew France is the Escape Prison by Helicopter capital
no wonder it's popular in Quebec !!!

[cncpc]

Ok, I've seen the video. Darwinism isn't a perfect theory.

I'm not an expert helicopter pilot by any means, but isn't that a bit of a risky proposition having 500 lbs. of escapee dangling so far outboard of the mast?

Not really.
A quick search found the (sling)load limit for a Robby 44 is 800 lbs.

It starts to get dangerous when you let the load oscillate, if left uncorrected.

You can tell these dudes hit the poutine more than the gym. Quite comical.

[cncpc]

They had the pilot plus two of the four Stooges on board, plus these two guys. Yes, poutine did come to mind. I'd have thought not having the weight hanging directly below would have been an issue.

You have to wonder if the pilot asked "What's that big knotted rope for when they got on board"

[Nark]

CNCPC,

Sling load connection points happen to be below the mast in the Robbies, however they don't necessarily have to be. Imagine any rescue helicopter with a hoist. They generally are offset a fair amount from the axis of the Mast (which you also have to understand that may not be the CG position). The weight limits are usually hoist motor limits, not what the helicopter can do.

I've watched Blackhawk Down a bunch, so I can speak expertly on the UH-60 . The hook is directly below the mast, however the weight restriction (8000's) is a hook limit not a mast/power limit) We calculate max sling load weight based upon torque being pulled.

For example, we need to pick up a 4100lbs block. We've calculated it will take 88% torque to hover at 10'. The sling itself is certified to 6000lbs. That leaves 1900lbs of buffer. In the UH60 a rule of thumb is 2% torque per 200lbs of weight. Still following me? If we start to pick up the block and were pulling more than 88%, I will abort the lift if I see 97% torque because we've reached the sling limit.
6000-4100 = 1900lbs
1900/200 = 9.5
88% +9.5% = 97.5% (we may have 120% torque available, but that is not the concern)

Something isn't right, and I have reached maximum limits.


So, with this in mind, these cheese and gravy eating bikers hanging off the ladder, may not have put the R44 into any sort of limits.

[cncpc]

CNCPC,

Sling load connection points happen to be below the mast in the Robbies, however they don't necessarily have to be. Imagine any rescue helicopter with a hoist. They generally are offset a fair amount from the axis of the Mast (which you also have to understand that may not be the CG position). The weight limits are usually hoist motor limits, not what the helicopter can do.

I've watched Blackhawk Down a bunch, so I can speak expertly on the UH-60 . The hook is directly below the mast, however the weight restriction (8000's) is a hook limit not a mast/power limit) We calculate max sling load weight based upon torque being pulled.

For example, we need to pick up a 4100lbs block. We've calculated it will take 88% torque to hover at 10'. The sling itself is certified to 6000lbs. That leaves 1900lbs of buffer. In the UH60 a rule of thumb is 2% torque per 200lbs of weight. Still following me? If we start to pick up the block and were pulling more than 88%, I will abort the lift if I see 97% torque because we've reached the sling limit.
6000-4100 = 1900lbs
1900/200 = 9.5
88% +9.5% = 97.5% (we may have 120% torque available, but that is not the concern)

Something isn't right, and I have reached maximum limits.


So, with this in mind, these cheese and gravy eating bikers hanging off the ladder, may not have put the R44 into any sort of limits.

Thanks. I learned something there.