CMD-A wrote:What's lowering the bar is an expectation that as long as you have canadian passport and license someone owes you an airline job.

No. It's when Sunwing owes TUI and Travel Service pilots get a Canadian job because they are non Canadian. Do not try to distort simple truths here.

Gilles Hudicourt wrote:

CMD-A wrote:What's lowering the bar is an expectation that as long as you have canadian passport and license someone owes you an airline job.

No. It's when Sunwing owes TUI and Travel Service pilots a Canadian job because they are non Canadian. Do not try to distort simple truths here.

Wow You definitely get the hypocrite of the day award for that one Gilles. You've been making stuff up all along based on hearsay and you accuse someone of distorting the truth? Now that's funny.

No, Sunwing owes nothing to TUI and Travel Service.
The only people it owes something are the owners and investors, similar to Transat answering to its shareholders.
Since you spent so much time researching Sunwing, you should know that the companies in TUI Group are running independantly, sometimes even competing with each other, as long as they are making profit.
But again, I don't think it's important to you to follow facts.

CMD-A wrote: But again, I don't think it's important to you to follow facts.

You guys are a riot, always accusing me of lying etc. What facts have you provided ?

Lets go over my statements, one by one. Please correct me where I am wrong.

1) I said Sunwing will hire 120 TFW pilots next winter. True or False ?
2) I said that half or more of those TFW pilots will be hired as Captains. True or False ?
3) I said that all Canadian seasonal contract pilots will be hired as First Officers, even if they were previously Captains on the 737NG for another airline. True or False ?
4) I said that the Sunwing Collective agreement with its pilots prohibits Canadian seasonal contract pilots to be Captains. True or False ?
5) I said that the Sunwing Collective Agreement with its pilots allows Foreign seasonal contract pilots to be Captains. True or False ?
6) I said that even if Sunwing finds a certain number of Canadian B737NG type rated pilots to hire, these will be hired as non rated first officers and will not reduce the number of type rated foreign pilots (120) Sunwing intends to hire. True or False ?
7) I said that Sunwing advertised for 120 type rated pilots, captains and first officers, and that this is a fake ad meant only to satisfy ESDC advertising requirements, and that the ad mean to hire Canadians is the other one, for non rated First Officers, even if the Canadians are Boeing 737NG captains. True or False ?

Which one of my statememts is false CMD-A and please explain in detail ?

CMD-A, I don't know if you are being serious or seriously retarded. This is a CANADIAN company flying CANADIAN passengers on vacation, so yah if you have a CANADIAN passport you should be hired over foreigners!
I was hired and trained to fly a jet after never flying anything bigger than a B200, I'm certain there are enough CANADIAN pilots who could be trained if Scumwing were willing to

mbav8r said:

This is a CANADIAN company flying CANADIAN passengers on vacation, so yah if you have a CANADIAN passport you should be hired over foreigners!

Amen brother!

jpilot77 wrote:mbav8r said:

This is a CANADIAN company flying CANADIAN passengers on vacation, so yah if you have a CANADIAN passport you should be hired over foreigners!

Amen brother!

X2,

it would benefit us all, help tilt the supply and demand factor in our favor for at least a period.

mbav8r,
Now that you've learnt to fly a jet, maybe it's time for you to go back to school and take some English, so you can understand what's being said, rather then reverting to personal attacks.

When Transat hired me as a B-757 FO, I was flying Metroliners III.
CMD-A ignore my previous question and attack my spelling and grammar instead. It would be in line with what most of those who defend foreign pilots on this forum do.

Gilles Hudicourt wrote:When Transat hired me as a B-757 FO, I was flying Metroliners III.
CMD-A ignore my previous question and attack my spelling and grammar instead. It would be in line with what most of those who defend foreign pilots on this forum do.

So Gilles was a big time metro pilot when AT hired him. I wonder how many experienced Canadian jet pilots were excluded from being hired because they didn't meet AT's artificial language hiring restrictions. Perhaps a few of them work at Sunwing now.

Gilles Hudicourt....blocking more Canadian pilots from being hired at his company than Sunwing does I suspect. Try defending us Canadian pilots at AT please.

Dh8Classic wrote:

Gilles Hudicourt wrote:When Transat hired me as a B-757 FO, I was flying Metroliners III.
CMD-A ignore my previous question and attack my spelling and grammar instead. It would be in line with what most of those who defend foreign pilots on this forum do.

So Gilles was a big time metro pilot when AT hired him. I wonder how many experienced Canadian jet pilots were excluded from being hired because they didn't meet AT's artificial language hiring restrictions. Perhaps a few of them work at Sunwing now.

Gilles Hudicourt....blocking more Canadian pilots from being hired at his company than Sunwing does I suspect. Try defending us Canadian pilots at AT please.

Well said. Gilles arguments would carry more weight if he didn't work for the most discriminatory airline in Canada. I know, someone will bring up the few token Anglophones that have been hired over the years, but that doesn't cut it.

The posts on this thread are yet another example of how us pilots are truly our own worst enemy

The problem here is that those very few who support Sunwing's shenanigans are trying to defend an indefensible position. As such, there is no basis for logical debate, rather only a "Fox News"-style mud-slinging session; facts be damned.

Takeoff OK wrote:The problem here is that those very few who support Sunwing's shenanigans are trying to defend an indefensible position. As such, there is no basis for logical debate, rather only a "Fox News"-style mud-slinging session; facts be damned.

Exactly.

And so far, none of those mud-slinging "people" answered Gilles questions.

Haters gotta hate......

I agree BPF these threads always turn into the same story..

I agree with Gilles that there needs to be balance at SWG with foreign workers, they accept 120 then they should send 120 over to Europe. As it stands right now SWG is profiting from not employing (training) Canadian pilot. That's not right. However the other team (AT) is just as suspect amongst the anglo population because of their hiring practices. I believe this plays a big role in Gilles having difficulty getting his message across. If he were an AC pilot his view would be more accepted.

monkey wrote:I agree BPF these threads always turn into the same story..

I agree with Gilles that there needs to be balance at SWG with foreign workers, they accept 120 then they should send 120 over to Europe. As it stands right now SWG is profiting from not employing (training) Canadian pilot. That's not right. However the other team (AT) is just as suspect amongst the anglo population because of their hiring practices. I believe this plays a big role in Gilles having difficulty getting his message across. If he were an AC pilot his view would be more accepted.

I think they would send 120 to Europe if they could.
Euro licences regs are not as permissive as "we were" if Canadian pilots want to work in Europe they will have to get a Euro licence eventually. And it's hard for me to believe that Europe will close their eyes on TFWP operating in Europe with foreign licences short and long term. Check out for the fun what it takes for a Canadian to get a European licence.

From what I've heard European pilot market is saturated of 250 hrs pilots ready to fly an airbus and you have to know how to navigate using the stars, sun and work out integrals.

I'm really getting sick of hearing this "Transat won't hire anglos" bullsh*t. I'm an anglo. I speak some french, but am generally lost when conversations are flowing. There are other pilots at TS who speak no french at all. Obviously, it always comes down to availability vs. need. Regardless of all that, if you have a desire to work for TS, and want to have what they are looking for, then go the f*ck out and learn a bit of french!!! Every single one of us had to take at least a bit of it in school, so what is the problem? Buy a book, buy Rosetta stone, watch any portion of the multitude of french language programming that exists on TV. I really don't get this. If AC wanted you to have a bartending licence, then every frickin' one of you would be out taking bartender classes and putting it down to what your dream employer requires of you. God knows some of you spent weeks upon weeks studying for the AC interview. I don't hear anyone complaining about how ridiculous the entire AC recruitment program is...

For those that regard TS as where they really want to be, this isn't even an issue because they're already covering their bases. If you haven't bothered to at least try to strengthen your relevant skills, then honestly, why would TS want an unmotivated self-entitled candidate like you in the first place?

The ball could be thrown back to SW for language issue. Heard that if you speak french at SW better keep it for yourself.

timel wrote:The ball could be thrown back to SW for language issue. Heard that if you speak french at SW better keep it for yourself.

Untrue. I know francophones that have worked at Scumwing. No complaints of language bias.

Takeoff OK wrote:if you have a desire to work for TS, and want to have what they are looking for, then go the f*ck out and learn a bit of french!!

But I'm a Canadian. I deserve that job.

Krimson wrote:

Takeoff OK wrote:if you have a desire to work for TS, and want to have what they are looking for, then go the f*ck out and learn a bit of french!!

But I'm a Canadian. I deserve that job.

An infantile response. But just to humour you: Yes, you deserve that job over any foreigner, any day. Now; all you have to do is go out and put in a little effort to show TS that you truly want it.

It was said tongue-in-cheek. French is not one of my languages, so I don't think I would fair a good time at TS.

Ah. My apologies. I guess we need a sarcasm button. As far as native tongues go, you do not need to be fluent. They just want to see some workable french, and even more so that you are willing to learn. It really is just a great bunch of people that have realistic expectations as far as what to expect. They want to see a real driven desire to be there. Makes sense, and is a universe away from what AC asks of their plebes.

timel wrote:The ball could be thrown back to SW for language issue. Heard that if you speak french at SW better keep it for yourself.

Like Gilles you heard wrong. Until he stepped down the Chief Pilot at Sunwing was french. I don't think he kept it to himself.