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Re: COPA Reform

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kamikaze wrote:Like I said, when you control the app, you control the end point, and you can control accuracy regarding the data display.
If it ever came up in a courtroom, Foreflight and FltPlan Go would both say "but we're just displaying NavCanada's maps as-is" and then prove it by showing them. I find it hard to believe either of them would carry sole liability if somehow it came to that.
You specifically said NOT like Foreflight. FltPlan Go is more like Foreflight than not ... it's a service with an app, and the publishers control the product end-to-end.
I was referring to any app that forces ongoing click charges to keep using it, vs. the one-time-fee I can pay for a paper map, and then use it as long as I want to. Foreflight forces you to buy *all* of the Canadian charts at once, not just the ones you need. And I believe they lock you out of them when your subscription expires, too... You can't keep using the Foreflight program after your subscription ends, even with expired charts.
Giving people PDFs, that's a whole other ball game, and a much riskier one from their perspective.
It's only risky to their business model, and even that risk is much lower than they probably realize.
back when nav charts were done by NRCan for TC, there were no digital products for sale (even though they existed internally).
To be fair, very few people could have used the digital data back then anyway.
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Preston manning would never agree to the merger . Although he might take the job that pays more than the Prime Minister of Canada gets paid, just so he could donate the money to one of the charities he supports :)
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I don't know how your going to solve COPA's problems... But I want a COPA that actually does something...

Like preventing CYXD or CYKZ from shutting down.
Preventing companies from kicking out flight schools and private aircraft owners from Monopolized airports.
Helping fight the cost of General Aviation.

etc etc etc
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xchox wrote:I don't know how your going to solve COPA's problems... But I want a COPA that actually does something...

Like preventing CYXD or CYKZ from shutting down.
Preventing companies from kicking out flight schools and private aircraft owners from Monopolized airports.
Helping fight the cost of General Aviation.

etc etc etc
I would really like to support something like that too ... but there's that thing about ends not justifying means.
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Re: COPA Reform

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Speaking of COPA lobbying, or lack thereof, and the comparison to AOPA ...

One thing I'm starting to notice is also that AOPA usually doesn't fight alone ... there's other similarly minded organisation that cooperate with them when appropriate, like NBAA or GAMA or others I'm not thinking of right now.

I don't know whether those organisations have Canadian interests, or whether we have Canadian equivalents that would like to play ball, but that would certainly help in important ways I would think. Manufacturer's associations, business associations, other types of pilot associations, etc.

If manufacturers and pilots and COPA and, and ,and ALL present a united fron against closing airport X, well, that might help get better results ...
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Kevin Psutka has posted a comment on the proceedings at the AGM:

http://copanational.org/vocal_minority.cfm

The silent majority will always appear to be greatly over-represented when vocal minority votes are stolen.
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Re: COPA Reform

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If you think that dealing with your unhappy membership is a distraction and waste of time, well that tells you everything you need to know about their attitudes, and none of it is good.
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