Two planes almost collide on runway at Barcelona airport

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Re: Two planes almost collide on runway at Barcelona airport

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G'day

". A couple of years ago a Tu-144 landed on a twy during some works on 25 R ,"

Hmmm, I don't think so. The last commercial operation of a Tu-144 'Concordski' was in 1983 as freighter of all things. The aircraft type was used as a test bed for the Soviet space shuttle program and chartered by NASA for research purposes.

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robshelle wrote:
The comment about low viz operations is misguided, there would be entirely different procedures in place at that time for ground operations.
Depending on the airport, no it wouldn't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Canada, most airports that have LVOP to be set in place don't occur until below 1200 RVR. Anything higher than that, it is business as usual. As a pilot, I've only flown into a few major airports, and as an ATC, I've only worked, and visited about 6 major towers (all in Canada and USA), but I don't see anything that would prevent that kind of a runway incursion if someone (pilot, or ATC) makes a mistake. Unless there is a crossing guard, like at rail lines(out of curiosity, does anyone know of airports that employ that kind of preventative device?), then A/C will cross a runway sometimes when you don't want them to.

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You're in ATC and trying to say that LVO ops don't have different ground procedures than non-LVO ops? Sorry, but that IS just wrong. The ILS signal is protected, for one thing, and a/c movement close to the runway is more tightly controlled. Spacings are greater between arrivals, for another.

Of course nothing can completely prevent an incursion due to pilot or controller error. I didn't say that. But the statement about "what if it had been LVO" is disingenuous - it wasn't LVO in this Barcelona incident. My point was that if it had been, the BCN incident in all likelihood wouldn't even have occurred.

Nark,

The system isn't just for a/c on the ground, DFW also has the FAROS system (Final Approach Runway Occupancy Signal), which flashes the PAPI's at the landers if the runway is occupied.

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My own personal system is if I can see the runway and there is an airplane on it, I don't land. So far it has worked pretty great. *fingers crossed*
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Re: Two planes almost collide on runway at Barcelona airport

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You are correct, I am on glue (well, working midnight's, same thing :) )

Here in YEG, we are allowed only 1 A/C manouvering when below 2600 to 1200 RVR, but above that it is business as usual, 1/2 mile visibility.
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Complexintentions,

Thanks for adding that. Is that a LIDO chart?
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robshelle wrote:You are correct, I am on glue (well, working midnight's, same thing :) )

Here in YEG, we are allowed only 1 A/C manouvering when below 2600 to 1200 RVR, but above that it is business as usual, 1/2 mile visibility.
Whoa, that would slow things down just too far.. That simply wouldn't work at YYZ, YVR, YUL or YYC.
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Re: Two planes almost collide on runway at Barcelona airport

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@Nark,

yeah, it is. Prefer the Jepps, but have gotten used to LIDO.
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Re: Two planes almost collide on runway at Barcelona airport

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Whoa, that would slow things down just too far.. That simply wouldn't work at YYZ, YVR, YUL or YYC.
Well, we don't get all the nice fancy toys. Perhaps if we had ASDE or Multilateration, which we could really use, then maybe we could have a better LVOP plan.

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