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Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:45 am
by stef
Any flexibility on the being smart requirement at all?
Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:51 am
by Illya Kuryakin
cmadude wrote:The reason that we need PPc types is for two reasons.
1. For contrail requirement
2. To compliment the young hour captains.
We don't and won't hire pilots on merit or right of entilement that some of you think you deserve. We hire mostly on personality and integrity.
The king air is our entry job position, not work the ramp or washing cars.
Examples in past year. FO with PPc hired last year. Currently has 800 hrs. Did check ride in left seat and now with qualified captains rotating on both seats. Be awhile before full captain for insurance reasons.
Another FO king air hired and through recommendation of good attitude put on right seat jet CJ4. After one year now co-captain on jet. He is about 1200 hrs. Be awhile before full captain for insurance reasons.
About one month ago. Hired FBO ground handler onto king air. First flight job. Hired him due to attitude and work ethnic. We do in house training due to Garmon avionics and unable to use FSI or CAE for training. This pilot doing very well.
We operate 604, 703, and 704. The commercial side is 5 to 10% of the flying we do. The rest is owners and families which requires a certain experience level, common sense and professional attitude so that the owners that we fly for feel comfortable and safe.
We cannot hire non experience pilots for aircraft like the Challenger that is coming online that is not easy aircraft to fly
We are continuing to grow and grow rapidly.
We advertise the ppc current pilot first. Certainly doesn't mean we hire that person over a new pilot type. It's all about attitude and how you present yourself.
Certainly won't hire the disgruntled, angry, whiney or premodonna types since they are cancerous to any operation.
Then advertise for pilots with some experience on type. Don't appear to be on a fishing trip for freshly PPC'd guys from your neighbourhood puppy mill. Which is how your ad comes across. You could use "PPC'd is an asset, but willing to train the right applicant...."? Just some thoughts. I've researched your company and, it looks like a good place to hang one's hat, long term. Sell that.
Illya
Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:00 am
by cdnpilot77
Just curious, but How is a guy with 1200hrs a co-captain on a machine that requires an ATPL to be captain?
Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:15 am
by Diadem
I have more time on the BE20 than any of those pilots listed, but I don't have a current PPC on type. That's my issue. It's not "Time on type preferred", it's that you want a current PPC to save the cost of training. An 800-hour FO with a current PPC gets preference over pilots with 2000 or 3000 or 4000 hours on type, because they don't currently have PPCs. It's not about experience, it's about current qualifications.
Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:39 am
by Illya Kuryakin
Diadem wrote:I have more time on the BE20 than any of those pilots listed, but I don't have a current PPC on type. That's my issue. It's not "Time on type preferred", it's that you want a current PPC to save the cost of training. An 800-hour FO with a current PPC gets preference over pilots with 2000 or 3000 or 4000 hours on type, because they don't currently have PPCs. It's not about experience, it's about current qualifications.
I'm with you on this. An experienced pilot on type, or one with a current PPC would still require company training. The difference being only the hour and a half required to update the experienced guy's PPC! You're nickel and diming here. You can afford to operate a Challenger.....you can sure as Hell afford to swallow the big bucks for a BE20 PPC???
Illya
Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:29 pm
by mattas350
cdnpilot77 wrote:Just curious, but How is a guy with 1200hrs a co-captain on a machine that requires an ATPL to be captain?
Curious why you think the B 200 requires a ATPL to be captain?
Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:48 pm
by cdnpilot77
mattas350 wrote:cdnpilot77 wrote:Just curious, but How is a guy with 1200hrs a co-captain on a machine that requires an ATPL to be captain?
Curious why you think the B 200 requires a ATPL to be captain?
Read this line...CJ4 is not a b200
Another FO king air hired and through recommendation of good attitude put on right seat jet CJ4. After one year now co-captain on jet. He is about 1200 hrs. Be awhile before full captain for insurance reasons.
Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:55 pm
by arctic navigator
cdnpilot77 wrote:mattas350 wrote:cdnpilot77 wrote:Just curious, but How is a guy with 1200hrs a co-captain on a machine that requires an ATPL to be captain?
Curious why you think the B 200 requires a ATPL to be captain?
Read this line...CJ4 is not a b200
Another FO king air hired and through recommendation of good attitude put on right seat jet CJ4. After one year now co-captain on jet. He is about 1200 hrs. Be awhile before full captain for insurance reasons.
CJ4 is certified Single Pilot under Part23 Commuter Category, ATPL not required... I also know a couple guys there that have had their bonds paid out as part of the deal to bring them on...
Illya: Don't see how that can really be considered 'poaching'... They're not asking people to screw their current employers to come work there, but they would rather have someone with experience than not... If that's poaching you should maybe climb back up on your soap box and complain about every 705 carrier out there that takes pilots with more than a fresh license, just because its same type its different somehow???
Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:59 pm
by cdnpilot77
arctic navigator wrote:
CJ4 is certified Single Pilot under Part23 Commuter Category, ATPL not required...
My 7month old just woke me from a deep slumber so I am on this half assed but TC says differently. CAR 421 - C25C
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... 2-1393.htm
You have to gain single pilot authority, which is possible, but then how could someone log time as a "co-captain" in a single pilot operation? They are operating a 704 machine 2 crew, ATPL required for PIC, IATRA for f/o...prove me wrong and I will about face, but I don't think I am.
Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:36 pm
by Nordo
cdnpilot77 wrote:arctic navigator wrote:
CJ4 is certified Single Pilot under Part23 Commuter Category, ATPL not required...
My 7month old just woke me from a deep slumber so I am on this half assed but TC says differently. CAR 421 - C25C
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... 2-1393.htm
You have to gain single pilot authority, which is possible, but then how could someone log time as a "co-captain" in a single pilot operation? They are operating a 704 machine 2 crew, ATPL required for PIC, IATRA for f/o...prove me wrong and I will about face, but I don't think I am.
Just because there are two pilots on board does not mean that it is being operated as 704. The CJ's that are operated by Albatros are operated primarily as private equipment. Not the same for the 200's.
Re: Albatross BE20 FO
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:49 am
by Diadem
For every flying position they advertise, a current PPC on type is required. Yet, when they advertise for an accountant, an accounting designation is only an "asset". If it's really about getting the best employee, shouldn't they be paying more to draw an accountant who already has a designation from the place where they currently work?