Aviation medical fees

[Illya Kuryakin]

They'll be mighty mad at me then. I've been tossing them for years. Never paid one. Don't intend to. Just a money grab.
Illya

[human garbage]

^ I did the same but this new AC changes the whole game. Before they couldn't do anything but nag, now TC can suspend your license. Just coughed up the $633 I 'owed'... Not happy about it at all.

[YYZSaabGuy]

They'll be mighty mad at me then. I've been tossing them for years. Never paid one. Don't intend to. Just a money grab.
Illya

You've been very consistent with that position for a while now, so obviously you've found a way to fly legally with a non-renewed or suspended ADB, then? Or alternately, your employer is OK with the insurance implications of permitting non-licensed crew to operate their aircraft? Either way, that's an interesting approach.

[Illya Kuryakin]

They'll be mighty mad at me then. I've been tossing them for years. Never paid one. Don't intend to. Just a money grab.
Illya

You've been very consistent with that position for a while now, so obviously you've found a way to fly legally with a non-renewed or suspended ADB, then? Or alternately, your employer is OK with the insurance implications of permitting non-licensed crew to operate their aircraft? Either way, that's an interesting approach.

Nothing's expired/suspended or otherwise a problem. Everything's up to date on the licence front. Have a new medical upcoming. When the bill comes in for this one, I MIGHT send them a MO.
Illya

[Jasper]

I just received a nastygram from the CRA demanding a call to settle a debt outstanding with Transport Canada for medical fees. That is a collection agency I will listen to. I am just happy I don't fly a single for hire or I would still be paying twice annually.

edit: While the letter is from the CRA, the contact number rings at the desk of Transport Canada Collections. Devious bastids!!

[7ECA]

New advisory circular has been published...

And to think I just got my latest bill from TC today...

Due dates in September, so I'll probably let it ride until then.

[Illya Kuryakin]

If they gave us something, ANYTHING for our money.
Illya

[7ECA]

If they gave us something, ANYTHING for our money.
Illya

I think from now on, we should demand that the CAME's remit $55 of their fee to TC.

I just paid $140 to renew my CAT1, Doc sends $55 to TC, he still ends up with $90. That's more than he's getting from MSP for any other patient...

[GARRETT]

Is it true that it's only pilots who pay a medical processing fee? I heard that even though ATC have to get an annual medical, they don't pay a handling fee. I sure hope this is false information.

[kevenv]

Is it true that it's only pilots who pay a medical processing fee? I heard that even though ATC have to get an annual medical, they don't pay a handling fee. I sure hope this is false information.

ATC does not pay the fee. On the odd occasion, TC messes up and does send out a bill. A quick phone call takes care of it.

[YYZSaabGuy]

Is it true that it's only pilots who pay a medical processing fee? I heard that even though ATC have to get an annual medical, they don't pay a handling fee. I sure hope this is false information.

ATC does not pay the fee. On the odd occasion, TC messes up and does send out a bill. A quick phone call takes care of it.

Stand by for the next explosion of outrage in five, four, three, two, one............

[awitzke]

I didn't get charged for my initial cat 3, nor my first cat 1. Got an invoice in the mail after my renewal... wasn't all that pleased considering it already costs like $150+ for what is basically a signature. It's not even like they are printing a sticker...

[Taxivasion]

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... -2138.html

Better pay that medical fee or you may find yourself without a licence.

[photofly]

"For accounts in arrears beyond the 120 day period, TCCA will pursue measures to suspend the pilot licence until such time as the account is in good standing and/or seek third party collection agencies to recoup the outstanding amounts."

What's entirely and obviously missing from this AC is any suggestion of where the authority to suspend an aviation document on that ground comes from. Can't wait to see that taken to the TATC.

[Illya Kuryakin]

"For accounts in arrears beyond the 120 day period, TCCA will pursue measures to suspend the pilot licence until such time as the account is in good standing and/or seek third party collection agencies to recoup the outstanding amounts."

What's entirely and obviously missing from this AC is any suggestion of where the authority to suspend an aviation document on that ground comes from. Can't wait to see that taken to the TATC.

My thought exactly. Scare tactics.
Illya

[seasonaldriver]

If they gave us something, ANYTHING for our money.
Illya

Advisory Circular (AC) No. 600-005
7. The fees for Transport Canada services reflect a portion of the costs to deliver services to those people who directly benefit from them.

I agree with Illya,just what Do they give us for that?

[GARRETT]

Maybe this would be a perfect fight for the College of Professional Pilots. Lobby TC to end this absurd "tax on a tax" scam that only applies to pilots. IMHO it would definitely justify our membership fees if we can see this change.

[Rockie]

"For accounts in arrears beyond the 120 day period, TCCA will pursue measures to suspend the pilot licence until such time as the account is in good standing and/or seek third party collection agencies to recoup the outstanding amounts."

What's entirely and obviously missing from this AC is any suggestion of where the authority to suspend an aviation document on that ground comes from. Can't wait to see that taken to the TATC.

My thought exactly. Scare tactics.
Illya

104.05 Subject to section 104.06, a charge imposed under this Subpart is payable in Canadian dollars at the time the service is commenced.

104.06 A charge is payable in Canadian dollars within 30 days after the date indicated on each invoice presented by the Minister for the service, in the case of a charge imposed in respect of

(a) the processing of medical certificates referred to in item 21 of Schedule IV to this Subpart;


(b) aeronautical product approvals referred to in section 104.03; and


(c) the expenses referred to in section 104.04 in respect of the processing of applications outside Canada.



Failure to pay is a violation of the CAR's which receive their authority from the Aeronautics Act of Canada, meaning Canadian Law. Transport Canada has always had the power to deny a medical certificate due to non-payment, they just now have begun enforcing it.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Rockie, are you stalking me?
Illya

[Rockie]

No of course not, I would have answered the original post but yours got caught up in it. I guess we just care about the same things - although occasionally from opposite directions.

[cap41]

By receiving this notice, TC has in fact provided a service. I now have some extra kindling. I am going to put the notice in my survival pack, right beside the lighter.

Received a few months ago. not paid!

[photofly]

Failure to pay is a violation of the CAR's which receive their authority from the Aeronautics Act of Canada, meaning Canadian Law. Transport Canada has always had the power to deny a medical certificate due to non-payment, they just now have begun enforcing it.

Suspension of a CAD is an administrative penalty that can be applied under certain tightly documented conditions. It's not available to TC on a whim, or because they feel like it. Read section 6.71, 6.8 and 6.9 of the Aeronautics Act, carefully.

TC's Enforcement Manual talks about suspension in the event of a non-payment of a fine. A bill for a medical exam is not a fine.

I don't see any basis in law for TC to suspend any aviation document because you're in arrears. Anyone read things differently?

[Rockie]

Suspension of a CAD is an administrative penalty that can be applied under certain tightly documented conditions. It's not available to TC on a whim, or because they feel like it. Read section 6.71, 6.8 and 6.9 of the Aeronautics Act, carefully.

I did read it carefully. TC is going to do exactly what they said they're going to do in the AC, and if you wish to jeopardize your livelihood over some Don Quixote mission against the machine that's up to you. You would be wise to consider though that your license is issued by the Minister and you exercise the privileges contained therein under many conditions, one of which is having a valid medical. The CAR's are very specific about medical fees being paid and failure to do so is a violation of those regulations.


1.The CAR 104.05 states, subject to section 104.06, a charge imposed is payable in Canadian dollars at the time the service is commenced.

2.In accordance with the principles of good financial stewardship, in order to renew a Canadian Aviation Document (e.g. Aviation Document Booklet), TCCA must verify that the account is in good standing and require payment prior to rendering the service. Transport Canada reserves the right to refuse to issue a Canadian Aviation Document where the applicant is in arrears with the department.

3.This policy modernizes the fee collection process and enhances financial stewardship.

4.For accounts in arrears beyond the 120 day period, TCCA will pursue measures to suspend the pilot licence until such time as the account is in good standing and/or seek third party collection agencies to recoup the outstanding amounts.



It would be foolish to assume TC isn't on firm legal ground here, you can be assured they checked beforehand. So if you're in arrears they don't have to suspend your license - they just won't issue your instrument rating, type rating or process your PPC. Go seriously in arrears and they will come for your license or sic a collection agency on you. Probably a collection agency first and then just refuse to process your next checking event which accomplishes the same thing as suspending your license.

[photofly]

It would be foolish to assume TC isn't on firm legal ground here, you can be assured they checked beforehand.

Thank you for the best belly laugh of the week. One can only admire your faith in Government, and let's disband the TATC: it's clearly not needed because, after all, Transport always checks beforehand.


... wait ... that was the Minister on the telephone. You're to take a house point and please apply for the next CASI job going. It's yours.

[TG]

Some may stop laughting 5 years down the road when they won't be able to renew their pilot licence booklet (due to unpaid medical fees)