Southbound :
There is no reason why an owner cannot be the Chief Pilot and or Ops. Manager. There can not be a conflict of intrest if the person is conducting their oversight of the company operations within the regulations.
I have been in both positions in two of my companies, a FTU / charter company both fixed and rotaty wing and a float plane charter business. There was never any question of non conformance to the regulations during the time I operated my companies.
The issue that we have to address is corrupt dishonest people who hold these positions whether they have a financial intrest in the company or not.
When companies operate outside the regulations they can not do so without people being aware of what is happening. And that has to include TC, if they ( TC ) are not aware, then there is something dreadfully wrong with the manner in which they perform their duties.
My own personal thoughts are that as long as the paper work arrives with all the I's dotted and the T's crossed TC can remain it the ostrich position and these companies just continue to flaunt the law until someone gets killed.
How many times have we all read the newspapers and watched TV and seen all the hand wringing and gibberish from TC and the politicians about how "Safety" is paramount and this will not be tolerated and on and on and....
I take a lot of flack from some people with my dissatisfaction with the manner in which our industry is governed by the regulator and until there is the political will on the part of our elected officials to demand changes I guess I will continue to be dissatisfied.
However when we are faced with the possibility of legal actions in the courts we as pilots had better be worried. Because once the camel gets its nose in the tent it won't be long before the whole camel is in .
Cat
Criminal Charges Laid Against Pilot In Keystone Crash
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CAT
I believe you are right.....now that I think about it I may have been thinking about something else. Funny thing there Cat, a collegue and I were commenting that the older we get, the more time that accumulates in the log book and different types we've flown.......I have no desire any more to take the risks I did way back when, when I was first starting out.....you know what I mean?! Anyway thanks for setting me straight on the issue.
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I believe you are right.....now that I think about it I may have been thinking about something else. Funny thing there Cat, a collegue and I were commenting that the older we get, the more time that accumulates in the log book and different types we've flown.......I have no desire any more to take the risks I did way back when, when I was first starting out.....you know what I mean?! Anyway thanks for setting me straight on the issue.
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southbound :
This problem with aviation ( Scumbags pushing crews into breaking the regs. ) has always been been with us.
If I had just one wish that the tooth fairy could grant me it would be to wake up in the morning in Ottawa and find myself in complete charge of restructuring TC.
The first thing I would do is visit the office of our present DGCA and hand him his termination notice, the termination notice would have a clause that ensured he would never again hold any office within the Federal Government nor ever be employed as a lobyist using the network of good old boys that he set up during his holding the office of DGCA...
Then I would visit every Regional office and research the quality of management in each department.
The good old boys that were buddy buddy with this present regime in Ottawa would be kicked out and have the same clause in their termination.
Oh I almost forgot there would be three less top managers including the present Regional Director Civil Aviation at 800 Burrard within seconds of my being put in charge.
Then I would deputize the Operations Managers and Chief Pilots and give them the mandate to ensure compliance in ensuring safety within the company they are working for. In other words they would have the power to ensure that safety be assured without any meddling from the bureaucracy. These deputized people would of course be held to a strict code of conduct or end up in the same boat as the others that were terminated, plus if found guilty of knowingly perverting the system and breaking regulations they would go straight to jail.
Next I would hire someone with common sense to rewrite CAR's with the stipulation that under no circumstances could they use any Government lawyer to write the revised simplified CAR's.
Those are just a few things I would do but it would be an improvement on what we have now.
Tonight I shall put a quarter under my pillow and hope the tooth fairy finds it and grants me my wish.
What think thee??
Cat
This problem with aviation ( Scumbags pushing crews into breaking the regs. ) has always been been with us.
If I had just one wish that the tooth fairy could grant me it would be to wake up in the morning in Ottawa and find myself in complete charge of restructuring TC.
The first thing I would do is visit the office of our present DGCA and hand him his termination notice, the termination notice would have a clause that ensured he would never again hold any office within the Federal Government nor ever be employed as a lobyist using the network of good old boys that he set up during his holding the office of DGCA...
Then I would visit every Regional office and research the quality of management in each department.
The good old boys that were buddy buddy with this present regime in Ottawa would be kicked out and have the same clause in their termination.
Oh I almost forgot there would be three less top managers including the present Regional Director Civil Aviation at 800 Burrard within seconds of my being put in charge.
Then I would deputize the Operations Managers and Chief Pilots and give them the mandate to ensure compliance in ensuring safety within the company they are working for. In other words they would have the power to ensure that safety be assured without any meddling from the bureaucracy. These deputized people would of course be held to a strict code of conduct or end up in the same boat as the others that were terminated, plus if found guilty of knowingly perverting the system and breaking regulations they would go straight to jail.
Next I would hire someone with common sense to rewrite CAR's with the stipulation that under no circumstances could they use any Government lawyer to write the revised simplified CAR's.
Those are just a few things I would do but it would be an improvement on what we have now.
Tonight I shall put a quarter under my pillow and hope the tooth fairy finds it and grants me my wish.
What think thee??
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
That's what I would like to know too....As I wrote in the other post about Keystone, I heard a rumour that a pilot worked for them not too long ago and left because of the working conditions, i.e. being pushed to fly IFR with below IFR fuel reserves. Basically, they seem to be operating the same as they were before they planted a Navajo in downtown YWG. If they have already had accidents directly related to this, what has TC done to remedy anything??
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CAT a.k.a. "Porno" et al... give your collective heads a shake.
The "reason" as you put why one company with a fatality record is still operating and another isn't is called DUE PROCESS.
Any fatality automaticaly gets both a TSB and a TC enforcement investigation. The TSB investigation is unbiased and is aimed at uncovering systemic errors that may take someone elses life at a latter date.
The TC investiigation is to uncover any regulatory infraction as a direct or indirect cause of the accident. BTW regulatory infractions are resposible for 5% of GA accidents and are indirectly involved in 30% (TSB stats NOt TC)
Try and understand the system in which you portain to be professional in before commenting, children may be listening!!
The "reason" as you put why one company with a fatality record is still operating and another isn't is called DUE PROCESS.
Any fatality automaticaly gets both a TSB and a TC enforcement investigation. The TSB investigation is unbiased and is aimed at uncovering systemic errors that may take someone elses life at a latter date.
The TC investiigation is to uncover any regulatory infraction as a direct or indirect cause of the accident. BTW regulatory infractions are resposible for 5% of GA accidents and are indirectly involved in 30% (TSB stats NOt TC)
Try and understand the system in which you portain to be professional in before commenting, children may be listening!!
There is never time to do it right but there is always time to do it over!
I don't really care what happens to Skyward actually...It doesn't change my life one bit...Unfortunately my post sounded like I was on "Skyward's side"...I was merely responding to the comment alluding to Keystone.
My concern is that Keystone can still operate considering they have crashed a couple of planes and killed someone as a result of one, and continue to run the show with possibly the same mentality that caused at least one of their planes to crash. Then there are companies that are shut down or have operations suspended because of seemingly minor (compared to fatal accidents) paperwork issues. I just don't get TC's logic...
My concern is that Keystone can still operate considering they have crashed a couple of planes and killed someone as a result of one, and continue to run the show with possibly the same mentality that caused at least one of their planes to crash. Then there are companies that are shut down or have operations suspended because of seemingly minor (compared to fatal accidents) paperwork issues. I just don't get TC's logic...
He should be charged. If it was a member of my family I sure would be after him too. You would feel the same way. Anyone who does something as stupid as he did deserves the same fate. Dont group me with this guy just because we are both pilots. I have certainly done some dumb things in my career, and outside of it. I knew if things went bad I would pay the price. He was not lucky enough to get away with it. I certainly think he is not the only one at fault. The owner certainly shares the responsability, as well as transport. This guy didnt even take enough fuel to make destination.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again; it's not a coincidence that this guy has been charged. How many other crashes can you think of off the top of your head involving deaths where the pilot was negligent, stupid, whatever? Of those crashes, in how many cases have charges been laid? To the best of my knowledge, exactly none. Well except maybe the guy who had his passenger for lunch and I'm not even sure about him.
Is it a coincidence that this guy has been charged because the deceased's daughter is a lawyer in the U.S.? I think not.
Is it a coincidence that this guy has been charged because the deceased's daughter is a lawyer in the U.S.? I think not.
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Quote from beentheredonethat :
" give your collective heads a shake.
The "reason" as you put why one company with a fatality record is still operating and another isn't is called DUE PROCESS. "
Interesting comment, however there is a slight difference between where you have been and where I have been and seen these people and how they really operate.
First lets get something out in the open and clearly understood, everyone that reads this forum can very quickly identify who I am, identifying you of course is a different story.
So here is a way for you to get some credibility I am going to make a statement that will explain why I personally have no confidence in TC being fair and objective in their methods of dealing with us their clients.
I personally met with the RDG Transport Canada twice, with witnesses present in both meetings.
The first meeting was in my home, he came to my home because I would not meet him in his office.
The second meeting was here in Nanaimo at the Coast Bastion Inn, at that meeting I had a journalist as my witness.
Each meeting exceeded eight hours.
I found the person who was representing the office of Regional Director General, Transport Canada to have not only been an evasive stonewaller, but to have been untrustworthy and dishonest in his handling of my complaints against TC Civil Aviation.
The problem that he had was really quite simple, he was covering up for the actions of a few of TC's top management here in this region, rather than solve the problem in a truthful straight forard manner he just chose to dig a deeper hole by protecting their own at my cost.
So there you go beentheredonethat, why don't you see if you can persuade TC to serve me with a writ to appear before a Federal Judge to answer for the foregiong?
Once again, if TC will get the court proceedings underway I will provide the evidence to back up my allegations and more important the news media to cover the trial.
As to "Due Process" you have it ass backwards, their own investigation ended in a one sentence finding..." Mr. . was denied due process. "
So give your own head a shake beentheredonethat, it doesen't get any clearer than that. When TC denies due process to one company / individual it stands to reason that we can and should question any of their actions and not just blindly assume they are operating within the law/ rules.
Cat
" give your collective heads a shake.
The "reason" as you put why one company with a fatality record is still operating and another isn't is called DUE PROCESS. "
Interesting comment, however there is a slight difference between where you have been and where I have been and seen these people and how they really operate.
First lets get something out in the open and clearly understood, everyone that reads this forum can very quickly identify who I am, identifying you of course is a different story.
So here is a way for you to get some credibility I am going to make a statement that will explain why I personally have no confidence in TC being fair and objective in their methods of dealing with us their clients.
I personally met with the RDG Transport Canada twice, with witnesses present in both meetings.
The first meeting was in my home, he came to my home because I would not meet him in his office.
The second meeting was here in Nanaimo at the Coast Bastion Inn, at that meeting I had a journalist as my witness.
Each meeting exceeded eight hours.
I found the person who was representing the office of Regional Director General, Transport Canada to have not only been an evasive stonewaller, but to have been untrustworthy and dishonest in his handling of my complaints against TC Civil Aviation.
The problem that he had was really quite simple, he was covering up for the actions of a few of TC's top management here in this region, rather than solve the problem in a truthful straight forard manner he just chose to dig a deeper hole by protecting their own at my cost.
So there you go beentheredonethat, why don't you see if you can persuade TC to serve me with a writ to appear before a Federal Judge to answer for the foregiong?
Once again, if TC will get the court proceedings underway I will provide the evidence to back up my allegations and more important the news media to cover the trial.
As to "Due Process" you have it ass backwards, their own investigation ended in a one sentence finding..." Mr. . was denied due process. "
So give your own head a shake beentheredonethat, it doesen't get any clearer than that. When TC denies due process to one company / individual it stands to reason that we can and should question any of their actions and not just blindly assume they are operating within the law/ rules.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Well I hope they're not listening to you.beentheredonethat! wrote: Try and understand the system in which you portain to be professional in before commenting, children may be listening!!
Where to begin, umm portain isn't a word, unless you're inventing your own out of: pertain - applies to or is indicative of ; or profess - claim, avow or acknowledge. Or maybe portent; an omen, usually a bad one.
