Flight Attendant strike vote opens on July 28th

[confusedalot]

I’d argue the opposite happened, pilots have a lot invested so they are less likely to rock the boat. Most FAs could easily make the same money doing another job so the junior people are especially likely to just walk if they don’t get what they want

not too sure about that. few other jobs that need high school only will end up paying now 100K over time plus all of the perks, per diems etc.

entry pay is crap, lower than minimum wage. but they all know what the payoff is in the future.

How many are making 100K? You could probably put them all in a single business class cabin, and tbh per diems aren’t pay. $20 a day sounds nice till you spend that on a single shity airport sandwich

the top ones were making 80K with a normal schedule, with the new contract, they will be near or at 100K in about 4 years. there are no inferior jobs, just looking at the overall job marketplace.

[newlygrounded]

What's with pilots ripping into poor flight attendants?

Low IQ? Small penises? Too many rejections??

Embarrassing

Most pilots don’t have the social skills to do any other job, so they’re jealous another group actually had the chance to walk

[rudder]

not too sure about that. few other jobs that need high school only will end up paying now 100K over time plus all of the perks, per diems etc.

entry pay is crap, lower than minimum wage. but they all know what the payoff is in the future.

How many are making 100K? You could probably put them all in a single business class cabin, and tbh per diems aren’t pay. $20 a day sounds nice till you spend that on a single shity airport sandwich

the top ones were making 80K with a normal schedule, with the new contract, they will be near or at 100K in about 4 years. there are no inferior jobs, just looking at the overall job marketplace.

This sounds like the same justification for the pilot TA - “Top WB CA will be making $400k+………”

What about the new-hire pilots making $80k? Or that the average pilot T4 will be just 65% of top WB pilot T4?

Quoting the highest paid employee within the group (top 5%) is typically a management talking point.

[thepoors]

I would argue the government actually managed this situation well enough. While they used section 107 promptly, it oddly lacked enthusiasm from officials that historically have loved being in front of the media. There weren't many public statements made before or during the strike. Once section 107 was invoked the Minister simply referred to the CIRB, which itself never seemed to have any interest in enforcement action against CUPE.

You had me in the first half, but this is an epically bad take. The govt mismanaged this almost as badly as AC. Invoking 107 that soon was a bitch move and just like AC they had no plan beyond "we'll invoke 107"...once that didn't work they had no clue what to do. Had the union leadership been weak (ALPA comes to mind) it probably would've worked too. So for that we owe CUPE an immense amount of credit. However, it seems like the deal was not as expected after all the hubbub.

What I don't understand is why they are only voting on the pay portion of the contract. That seems like a bad deal.

[boeingboy]

I would argue the government actually managed this situation well enough. While they used section 107 promptly, it oddly lacked enthusiasm from officials that historically have loved being in front of the media. There weren't many public statements made before or during the strike. Once section 107 was invoked the Minister simply referred to the CIRB, which itself never seemed to have any interest in enforcement action against CUPE.

You had me in the first half, but this is an epically bad take. The govt mismanaged this almost as badly as AC. Invoking 107 that soon was a bitch move and just like AC they had no plan beyond "we'll invoke 107"...once that didn't work they had no clue what to do. Had the union leadership been weak (ALPA comes to mind) it probably would've worked too. So for that we owe CUPE an immense amount of credit. However, it seems like the deal was not as expected after all the hubbub.

What I don't understand is why they are only voting on the pay portion of the contract. That seems like a bad deal.

They are only voting on pay because everything else was agreed to.

[Dias]

Do you think the company/government will test 107 again with ALPA?

[flyingcanuck]

Do you think the company/government will test 107 again with ALPA?

100%, its the only playbook AC knows

[Tbayer2021]

Do you think the company/government will test 107 again with ALPA?

Why not? They know the pilots don't have the balls to defy it.

[confusedalot]

How many are making 100K? You could probably put them all in a single business class cabin, and tbh per diems aren’t pay. $20 a day sounds nice till you spend that on a single shity airport sandwich

the top ones were making 80K with a normal schedule, with the new contract, they will be near or at 100K in about 4 years. there are no inferior jobs, just looking at the overall job marketplace.

This sounds like the same justification for the pilot TA - “Top WB CA will be making $400k+………”

What about the new-hire pilots making $80k? Or that the average pilot T4 will be just 65% of top WB pilot T4?

Quoting the highest paid employee within the group (top 5%) is typically a management talking point.

you got that wrong. suggest you read the trail and augment the attention span. no, not management or union and not a shill for them.

[Bede]

They are only voting on pay because everything else was agreed to.

Agreed to by CUPE National without a vote from the employee group.

[Launchpad1]

Agreed to by CUPE National without a vote from the employee group.

I believe the union was basically told by the government if you drop this now we will not push for jail time or fines. The Union at that point probably felt they could not go on defying the corrupt sh*t from the government and mostly accepted what they were being given.

The vote on the salary part is pretty symbolic, even if they vote no the FA's have had their leverage taken away and it'll just get decided by an arbitrator.

[flying4dollars]

Agreed to by CUPE National without a vote from the employee group.

I believe the union was basically told by the government if you drop this now we will not push for jail time or fines. The Union at that point probably felt they could not go on defying the corrupt sh*t from the government and mostly accepted what they were being given.

The vote on the salary part is pretty symbolic, even if they vote no the FA's have had their leverage taken away and it'll just get decided by an arbitrator.

Source?

[rudder]

the top ones were making 80K with a normal schedule, with the new contract, they will be near or at 100K in about 4 years. there are no inferior jobs, just looking at the overall job marketplace.

This sounds like the same justification for the pilot TA - “Top WB CA will be making $400k+………”

What about the new-hire pilots making $80k? Or that the average pilot T4 will be just 65% of top WB pilot T4?

Quoting the highest paid employee within the group (top 5%) is typically a management talking point.

you got that wrong. suggest you read the trail and augment the attention span. no, not management or union and not a shill for them.

Bottom line is that the last two unions representing large employee groups went into negots with a stated objective of dramatically improving pay for the juniors. Both came back (mostly) empty handed.

This has become a prevailing theme at AC. Apprenticeship prior to standard compensation.

[newlygrounded]

Agreed to by CUPE National without a vote from the employee group.

I believe the union was basically told by the government if you drop this now we will not push for jail time or fines. The Union at that point probably felt they could not go on defying the corrupt sh*t from the government and mostly accepted what they were being given.

The vote on the salary part is pretty symbolic, even if they vote no the FA's have had their leverage taken away and it'll just get decided by an arbitrator.

Source?

We don't do sources around here!

Realistically, even if the government wanted to put someone in jail, it would take YEARS for it to go to trial since they'd have to prove 107 wasn't unconstitutional.

[confusedalot]

This sounds like the same justification for the pilot TA - “Top WB CA will be making $400k+………”

What about the new-hire pilots making $80k? Or that the average pilot T4 will be just 65% of top WB pilot T4?

Quoting the highest paid employee within the group (top 5%) is typically a management talking point.

you got that wrong. suggest you read the trail and augment the attention span. no, not management or union and not a shill for them.

Bottom line is that the last two unions representing large employee groups went into negots with a stated objective of dramatically improving pay for the juniors. Both came back (mostly) empty handed.

This has become a prevailing theme at AC. Apprenticeship prior to standard compensation.

more pay for the juniors would mean less pay for the seniors. it's all about how the pie is divided. that is the unfortunate situation.

[Tolippilot]

I think the new pay scales are fair, ive been told it would be a salary of 30600 a year on year 1, plus approx 15 k or more in perdiums plus additional pay benefits aswell. A year one FA would be looking at 46-48 k a year or more, for only around 12 days of work a month and thats only year one, the pay scales move up rapidly. Considering this is a job has no prior education or experience required. And could be done by someone straight out of high school as a first job. Plus the working conditions on the job are amazing, staying in 4 or 5 star hotels, free travel, business class eligible for DH, retirement pension, plus full medical benefits.... need I say more, this a fair deal. I think they pulled of a huge win. Hard fought and hard won, good job to the FAs

[yycflyguy]

I think the new pay scales are fair, ive been told it would be a salary of 30600 a year on year 1, plus approx 15 k or more in perdiums plus additional pay benefits aswell. A year one FA would be looking at 46-48 k a year or more, for only around 12 days of work a month and thats only year one, the pay scales move up rapidly. Considering this is a job has no prior education or experience required. And could be done by someone straight out of high school as a first job. Plus the working conditions on the job are amazing, staying in 4 or 5 star hotels, free travel, business class eligible for DH, retirement pension, plus full medical benefits.... need I say more, this a fair deal. I think they pulled of a huge win. Hard fought and hard won, good job to the FAs

Bizarre take, and full of inaccuracies.

Per diem is not salary. It's to offset the additional costs of being away from home.

Free travel? Nope. Sounds like someone who has never used an AC pass.

Pension and benefits were always enshrined in their contract. Nothing was "won"

[daedalusx]

I think the new pay scales are fair, ive been told it would be a salary of 30600 a year on year 1, plus approx 15 k or more in perdiums plus additional pay benefits aswell. A year one FA would be looking at 46-48 k a year or more, for only around 12 days of work a month and thats only year one, the pay scales move up rapidly. Considering this is a job has no prior education or experience required. And could be done by someone straight out of high school as a first job. Plus the working conditions on the job are amazing, staying in 4 or 5 star hotels, free travel, business class eligible for DH, retirement pension, plus full medical benefits.... need I say more, this a fair deal. I think they pulled of a huge win. Hard fought and hard won, good job to the FAs

This has got to be a troll…

[TheStig]

Last week:

Based on your own math 25 $ wage at the average of 78 credit a month, would be a yearly salary of about 24 thousand a year... and for Present wages for a year 10 FA at AC based on your $63 and hour remark, would be about 59 thousand a year. Considering that's 10 years seniority at the largest airline in the country that's really bad. Livable, but really bad. And for starting FAs its far less then minimum wage. The system is broken, they need to fight for their rights. Your thoughts and feelings on this matter are garbage sir.

[Blackdog0301]

I think the new pay scales are fair, ive been told it would be a salary of 30600 a year on year 1, plus approx 15 k or more in perdiums plus additional pay benefits aswell. A year one FA would be looking at 46-48 k a year or more, for only around 12 days of work a month and thats only year one, the pay scales move up rapidly. Considering this is a job has no prior education or experience required. And could be done by someone straight out of high school as a first job. Plus the working conditions on the job are amazing, staying in 4 or 5 star hotels, free travel, business class eligible for DH, retirement pension, plus full medical benefits.... need I say more, this a fair deal. I think they pulled of a huge win. Hard fought and hard won, good job to the FAs

Bizarre take, and full of inaccuracies.

Per diem is not salary. It's to offset the additional costs of being away from home.

Respectfully as a non troll, I actually tend to agree with Tolip with a lot of their points. Being a flight attendant is not a career that requires any sort of specialized skills. You can train anyone to be a flight attendant. They can be easily fired, and easily replaced. And yes, while perdiems are not a salary, it is income, and how you choose to spend it is up to you. I pack food for my trips whenever possible, and don't play the "tourist" role when I'm on the road. I eat my own food, and use my layover time for R&R for the vast majority of my layovers. The benefits to that? I pocket 1500-2000 every month.

If you choose to go out and get a steak dinner, go for a helicopter ride, scuba diving, buy souvenirs for all your friends, and spend money on other luxuries, those are not mandatory costs. You're not there on vacation. You're there to work. So view perdiems as you wish, but income is income. It's not the employer's responsibility to ensure you're able to pay your bills. You went to the employer, asked for a job, were offered a job with the terms of employment, and accepted the offer by signing your name. And here's the best part: If the job doesn't pay enough to make ends meet, GET A NEW JOB!

[thepoors]

I think the new pay scales are fair, ive been told it would be a salary of 30600 a year on year 1, plus approx 15 k or more in perdiums plus additional pay benefits aswell. A year one FA would be looking at 46-48 k a year or more, for only around 12 days of work a month and thats only year one, the pay scales move up rapidly. Considering this is a job has no prior education or experience required. And could be done by someone straight out of high school as a first job. Plus the working conditions on the job are amazing, staying in 4 or 5 star hotels, free travel, business class eligible for DH, retirement pension, plus full medical benefits.... need I say more, this a fair deal. I think they pulled of a huge win. Hard fought and hard won, good job to the FAs

This has got to be a troll…

Troll or severely out of touch boomer?... It's often hard to tell. Anyone that thinks 30k a year is "fair" compensation for someone living in pretty much any major city in this country probably has early onset dementia.

[newlygrounded]

I think the new pay scales are fair, ive been told it would be a salary of 30600 a year on year 1, plus approx 15 k or more in perdiums plus additional pay benefits aswell. A year one FA would be looking at 46-48 k a year or more, for only around 12 days of work a month and thats only year one, the pay scales move up rapidly. Considering this is a job has no prior education or experience required. And could be done by someone straight out of high school as a first job. Plus the working conditions on the job are amazing, staying in 4 or 5 star hotels, free travel, business class eligible for DH, retirement pension, plus full medical benefits.... need I say more, this a fair deal. I think they pulled of a huge win. Hard fought and hard won, good job to the FAs

Bizarre take, and full of inaccuracies.

Per diem is not salary. It's to offset the additional costs of being away from home.

Respectfully as a non troll, I actually tend to agree with Tolip with a lot of their points. Being a flight attendant is not a career that requires any sort of specialized skills. You can train anyone to be a flight attendant. They can be easily fired, and easily replaced. And yes, while perdiems are not a salary, it is income, and how you choose to spend it is up to you. I pack food for my trips whenever possible, and don't play the "tourist" role when I'm on the road. I eat my own food, and use my layover time for R&R for the vast majority of my layovers. The benefits to that? I pocket 1500-2000 every month.

If you choose to go out and get a steak dinner, go for a helicopter ride, scuba diving, buy souvenirs for all your friends, and spend money on other luxuries, those are not mandatory costs. You're not there on vacation. You're there to work. So view perdiems as you wish, but income is income. It's not the employer's responsibility to ensure you're able to pay your bills. You went to the employer, asked for a job, were offered a job with the terms of employment, and accepted the offer by signing your name. And here's the best part: If the job doesn't pay enough to make ends meet, GET A NEW JOB!

What about those who want the luxury of being able to afford a place less than 2 hours from YYZ/YVR, or a car to safely get home when you finish work at 2am?

Your shit attitude of THAT'S WHAT yOU SignED uP for means nobody will ever get a raise. Imagine if regionals in the US were still on food stamps getting 30k a year to fly a dash/RJ?