Emirates after AC

[twa22]

Just giving some context from what I can glean is all.

US major and young enough, no brainer.
Commuting from overseas, that sucks.
Not into airline life, it is what it is.
Go be a CA instead of an FO, sure.

no one should be looking to leave a legacy airline

Isn't Emirates a legacy airline? Cathay? Qatar? Etihad? You'd be amazed at how many have left. Yet, it happens.

AC clearly is not the end all be all, and neither is Canada, anymore, unfortunately...

Sad but true, I agree, though Emirates isn't the end all be all either. Yes they are better in many ways and they are also a lot worse in others. Many factors that support AC being the better choice and there are many factors that support Emirates being the better. The point, which I made earlier is that it IS subjective. One isn't the answer over the other for everyone, but some.

They are legacies, you are not wrong there, albeit maybe the term legacy should be looked at with caveats, region dependent.

But in the end yes it is to a large degree, subjective, and they all have their downsides. Like altiplano said, every individuals circumstances is different, and like I told him, I do think to a large degree one is better off as an expat, if under 30, heck I'll say even under 35, but that's just my opinion at the end of the day

[Eric Janson]

They are legacies, you are not wrong there, albeit maybe the term legacy should be looked at with caveats, region dependent.

But in the end yes it is to a large degree, subjective, and they all have their downsides. Like altiplano said, every individuals circumstances is different, and like I told him, I do think to a large degree one is better off as an expat, if under 30, heck I'll say even under 35, but that's just my opinion at the end of the day

Most Expat jobs are for experienced Type Rated Captains - people under 35 generally do not have these qualifications.

There are companies that hire FO - Emirates being one. It's a gamble - promotion to Captain is not guaranteed.

Instead of Expat - how about:-

-Mercenary.
or
-Prostitute.

Both are a more accurate description of the World you are joining - Jmho.

I keep having to say this - Do not give up a stable job in your home country to become an Expat.

I became Expat not by choice but because my Airline went bankrupt - most other Expats I worked with came from similar backgrounds. I made it work because I had no other choice. I had 8 very interesting and enjoyable years.

Reading this thread it is obvious some posters have never been to Dubai and have no clue.

[MorePlates]

I keep having to say this - Do not listen to the opinions of people who were kicked on their asses out of their expat jobs.

You deserve it if you move to a small flag carrier in Asia and don’t plan for it to happen sooner or later.

But you know what? I think these posters are right, AC is where it’s at.

Dubai? 40–45°C, 24/7, 12 months a year. How will you handle it? Come to Vancouver/Toronto, 20°C year-round, only two months of rain/snow.

Dubai? Totalitarian regime. Come here instead, don’t listen to a lot of those “67% yes” clowns who were terrified the government would step in if they went on strike. It’s a democratic country.

Dubai? Very strict laws, you might find yourself in jail the day after you get there. Come to Vancouver/Toronto, very relaxed laws, so relaxed you sometimes question if you even have laws here.

CLOWNS

[thepoors]

I think one factor being missed here is that all the sandbox airlines have a very stringent hiring process. Just because you decide you want to go to Emirates or Etihad doesn't mean you'll make the cut. You're competing with highly experienced pilots from all over the world. And from what I've heard it often takes multiple attempts for those that end up being successful. Not to mention all the internal politics and racial/cultural/religious prejudices that prevail in that part of the world. It's a completely different ballgame, AC DEI hires need not apply.

[Tbayer2021]

Gotta love how they just can't wrap their minds around pilots quitting AC and say they must have been fired or "allowed to quit". Truly fascinating seeing Stockholm syndrome at work.

[twa22]

They are legacies, you are not wrong there, albeit maybe the term legacy should be looked at with caveats, region dependent.

But in the end yes it is to a large degree, subjective, and they all have their downsides. Like altiplano said, every individuals circumstances is different, and like I told him, I do think to a large degree one is better off as an expat, if under 30, heck I'll say even under 35, but that's just my opinion at the end of the day

Most Expat jobs are for experienced Type Rated Captains - people under 35 generally do not have these qualifications.

There are companies that hire FO - Emirates being one. It's a gamble - promotion to Captain is not guaranteed.

Instead of Expat - how about:-

-Mercenary.
or
-Prostitute.

Both are a more accurate description of the World you are joining - Jmho.

I keep having to say this - Do not give up a stable job in your home country to become an Expat.

I became Expat not by choice but because my Airline went bankrupt - most other Expats I worked with came from similar backgrounds. I made it work because I had no other choice. I had 8 very interesting and enjoyable years.

Reading this thread it is obvious some posters have never been to Dubai and have no clue.

That's YOUR experience... I know what the ME is, i've been, i've seen, I have friends there... some who left legacies in Europe, and they don't regret it. Did I ever paint the expat life as rosy and full of nothing but positives? No, I didn't

And lots of expat companies hire FOs, what are you talking about? Go look at job postings, and not just in the sandbox...

[altiplano]

Gotta love how they just can't wrap their minds around pilots quitting AC and say they must have been fired or "allowed to quit". Truly fascinating seeing Stockholm syndrome at work.

Maybe a few from time to time will be framed that way, but AC had no problem listing people that were fired as such... used to be "Article ..." - now I think they leave that and some other reasons for moving to inactive blank so as not violate privacy.

[Old fella]

Gotta love how they just can't wrap their minds around pilots quitting AC and say they must have been fired or "allowed to quit". Truly fascinating seeing Stockholm syndrome at work.

Maybe a few from time to time will be framed that way, but AC had no problem listing people that were fired as such... used to be "Article ..." - now I think they leave that and some other reasons for moving to inactive blank so as not violate privacy.

Didn’t AC dismiss a B787 FO couple yrs back for what they considered unacceptable Social Media interaction on the Israel/Gaza situation. They(AC) certainly didn’t hesitate to publicly state the pilot in question no longer works for the Company..

[cdnavater]

Gotta love how they just can't wrap their minds around pilots quitting AC and say they must have been fired or "allowed to quit". Truly fascinating seeing Stockholm syndrome at work.

Maybe a few from time to time will be framed that way, but AC had no problem listing people that were fired as such... used to be "Article ..." - now I think they leave that and some other reasons for moving to inactive blank so as not violate privacy.

Didn’t AC dismiss a B787 FO couple yrs back for what they considered unacceptable Social Media interaction on the Israel/Gaza situation. They(AC) certainly didn’t hesitate to publicly state the pilot in question no longer works for the Company..

That is a very different situation, the pilot in question made very public actions that made AC look bad, therefore it called for a public dismissal.
In a situation where a pilot doesn’t make it through probation or has been dismissed due to training problems is not a public situation that needs to be on display.

[MorePlates]

Alright fellas, time to wrap this thread up. But not before we hand out the Hall of Shame awards - ranked from 1 to 5 based on just how spectacularly ridiculous some of the geniuses managed to be on here.

1) flying4dollars - The Clown
2) Eric Janson - The Deadweight
3) altiplano - The Boomer
4) cdnavater - The Windbag
5) Bede - The Know-Nothing Know-It-All

Anyway, that's the ceremony.

And just so everyone’s clear, if this level of nonsense shows up again, expect me to highlight it just as loudly.

Cheers!

[pelmet]

Another advantage of AC is that if you have an incident(at least after probation), you have more protection. What happened to the taxiway landing guy at SFO, the guy in Fredericton, the guys in Halifax, the guy that thought he was going to have a midair over the Atlantic, the guy in Huatulco, the guy that ran out of gas?

They would have all been canned at Emirates. Then what do you do if it is a recession with no hiring?

That is a very different situation, the pilot in question made very public actions that made AC look bad, therefore it called for a public dismissal.
In a situation where a pilot doesn’t make it through probation or has been dismissed due to training problems is not a public situation that needs to be on display.

Is this guy flying somewhere else?

[Old fella]

Alright fellas, time to wrap this thread up. But not before we hand out the Hall of Shame awards - ranked from 1 to 5 based on just how spectacularly ridiculous some of the geniuses managed to be on here.

1) flying4dollars - The Clown
2) Eric Janson - The Deadweight
3) altiplano - The Boomer
4) cdnavater - The Windbag
5) Bede - The Know-Nothing Know-It-All

Anyway, that's the ceremony.

And just so everyone’s clear, if this level of nonsense shows up again, expect me to highlight it just as loudly.

Cheers!

The Ceremony….. question is, how many tuned in , the ratings and more importantly what the critics say.

I eagerly await the outcomes.

[cdnavater]

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[MorePlates]

Another advantage of AC is that if you have an incident(at least after probation), you have more protection. What happened to the taxiway landing guy at SFO, the guy in Fredericton, the guys in Halifax, the guy that thought he was going to have a midair over the Atlantic, the guy in Huatulco, the guy that ran out of gas?

They would have all been canned at Emirates. Then what do you do if it is a recession with no hiring?

thepoors has already answered this.

I think one factor being missed here is that all the sandbox airlines have a very stringent hiring process. Just because you decide you want to go to Emirates or Etihad doesn't mean you'll make the cut. You're competing with highly experienced pilots from all over the world. And from what I've heard it often takes multiple attempts for those that end up being successful. Not to mention all the internal politics and racial/cultural/religious prejudices that prevail in that part of the world. It's a completely different ballgame, AC DEI hires need not apply.

[MorePlates]

The Ceremony….. question is, how many tuned in , the ratings and more importantly what the critics say.

I eagerly await the outcomes.

Patience, my friend. The pay-per-view event of the year is almost live. Don’t blink.