doug ronan removed as director from copa
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This whole mess is a toad - and unfortunately I don't think there is any princess around to kiss it and change it for the better.
Being stupid around airplanes is a capital offence and nature is a hanging judge!
“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.”
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“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.”
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"Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth, for being correct, for being you. Never apologize for being correct, or for being years ahead of your time. If you're right and you know it, speak your mind. Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth." -Gandhi
I especially like the last line of this quote!!
I especially like the last line of this quote!!
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Mr. Ronan...
While on the subject of poetry, lets not forget a less famous quote from a nobody:
Never forget George Orwell's best one:

While on the subject of poetry, lets not forget a less famous quote from a nobody:
I might have written about you here or there, but I think I know a clean shirt when I see it and I believe yours is pretty clean. The truth cannot fully be gagged, no matter how hard some may try. Years ago I wrote on the executive disconnect, a cancer that has eaten so many good members out of so many once proud and worthy associations. Its really sickening! People have to get tired enough of these stupid games to end them. Unfortunately, people don't tire of things unless they are properly escalated which is pretty darn near impossible, these days. I think you've got more supporters than true enemies, so that's a good thing.Knowing when to walk away, is wisdom. Being able to, is courage. Walking away with your head held high, is dignity. ~ Unknown
Never forget George Orwell's best one:
Never back down, unless its to gain more speed and momentum for furnishing a swift kick in the ass!“During times of universal deceit – telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” — George Orwell

Integrity Is A Choice. It is consistently choosing the simplicity and purity of truth over popularity. ~ Unknown
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I AM DISGUSTED
I AN DISGUSTED WITH Jungle Jim AND I_reason FOR MAKING FUN OF SOMEONE'S NAME BECAUSE THEY HAVE STOOPED TO THIS INSTEAD ARGUING WITH REASON
I AN DISGUSTED BY THE APATHY OF COPA MEMBERS BECAUSE HALFWAY THROUGH THIS ONTARIO DIRECTORS' ELECTION ONLY 150 VOTES OUT OF 5000+ VOTES HAVE BEEN CAST...GET OFF YOUR BUTS AND VOTE...IF NOT FOR ME, VOTE FOR 3 OF THE OTHER SIX GOOD CANDIDATES
I AM DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO WOULD RATHER LET THEIR MEMBERSHIP LAPSE THAN OPPOSE THE SITUATION. THE FIRST RULE OF FLYING LIFE WHEN SOMETHING IS WRONG "IS DO SOMETHING."
I AN DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO POST TO THIS SITE WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF COPA AND JUST WANT TO MAKE THEMSELVES TALLER BY BITCHING
YOU BITCHING NON-MEMBERS IF YOU WANT TO SEE COPA SURVIVE JOIN, IT IF NOT, SHUT THE F*@^% UP. IF NOT, YOU MUST BE OUT TO SEE THE DEMISE OF ONE THE GREATEST ORGANIZATION IN CANADA
I DO NOT HIDE BEHIND MY USER NAME...IF YOU TAKE UMBRAGE WITH ME, MY NAME, EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER IS ON PAGE 3 OF COPA FLIGHT
JUST GIVE IT A REST AND YOU CAN SETTLE THIS AT THE AGM
I AN DISGUSTED WITH Jungle Jim AND I_reason FOR MAKING FUN OF SOMEONE'S NAME BECAUSE THEY HAVE STOOPED TO THIS INSTEAD ARGUING WITH REASON
I AN DISGUSTED BY THE APATHY OF COPA MEMBERS BECAUSE HALFWAY THROUGH THIS ONTARIO DIRECTORS' ELECTION ONLY 150 VOTES OUT OF 5000+ VOTES HAVE BEEN CAST...GET OFF YOUR BUTS AND VOTE...IF NOT FOR ME, VOTE FOR 3 OF THE OTHER SIX GOOD CANDIDATES
I AM DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO WOULD RATHER LET THEIR MEMBERSHIP LAPSE THAN OPPOSE THE SITUATION. THE FIRST RULE OF FLYING LIFE WHEN SOMETHING IS WRONG "IS DO SOMETHING."
I AN DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO POST TO THIS SITE WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF COPA AND JUST WANT TO MAKE THEMSELVES TALLER BY BITCHING
YOU BITCHING NON-MEMBERS IF YOU WANT TO SEE COPA SURVIVE JOIN, IT IF NOT, SHUT THE F*@^% UP. IF NOT, YOU MUST BE OUT TO SEE THE DEMISE OF ONE THE GREATEST ORGANIZATION IN CANADA
I DO NOT HIDE BEHIND MY USER NAME...IF YOU TAKE UMBRAGE WITH ME, MY NAME, EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER IS ON PAGE 3 OF COPA FLIGHT
JUST GIVE IT A REST AND YOU CAN SETTLE THIS AT THE AGM
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Don't hold back - tell us how you really feel!I AM DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO WOULD RATHER LET THEIR MEMBERSHIP LAPSE
BTW the Cap Lock button is on the left. And no
one has a moral obligation to be a member of
a corrupt organization. "Get" the irony?
Great organizations don't act this way. GoodTHE GREATEST ORGANIZATION IN CANADA
organizations don't act this way. Heck, even
marginal organizations don't act this way.
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Well, I guess that I could have felt disgusted with what I saw COPA staff NOT doing for their members, but I try to keep my life in context. I volunteered for a number of years to assist COPA in meeting their member's needs, under the watch of Herb Cunningham. I though his passing would see a gentle transition in COPA leadership to something equally effective for representation of pilots and owners. That seemed to fade. I had many talks with my elected COPA Director about how I felt about COPA on the whole. He and I agreed about many things. He and COPA seemed not so much to agree. The effect was lost, and I chose to not support an organization which did not really support me.
Now I don't need the support too badly, I am happily established in aviation. I meet or discuss issues with TC staff on at least a monthly basis, the outcome of which affects many GA owners. I have done this for the past 25 years. I do not need COPA's brand over my doorway to do this. Yes, it might help, if COPA did, but traction was lost. I discussed my concerns with the COPA President, he was pleasant to talk to, but it did not get me far.
I did not have to quit aviation because I no longer saw eye to eye with COPA, I just quit COPA. My aviation happily goes along very nicely. I am proud to state here, as I would person to any person, that I CHOOSE to not belong to COPA, because our philosophies seem to diverge. That's fair, I am entitled to my opinion, and to express it. This website is a good place, as long as I'm polite, they will "print" what I write. COPA, not so much....
So, I will use this website within it's rules, to express my feelings, so that other pilot owners might feel some support in decisions they might choose to make for themselves - it really does not affect me anyway!
In the mean time, any owner who wants to fly an external load, or change a propeller has a much larger regulatory burden to manage to do it, and I did not see COPA help one bit in affecting moderation with TC when those rules were proposed. I was at those meetings, and so was COPA.
Being a member of a group is fine, if it serves your needs. Not being a member is fine too....
Now I don't need the support too badly, I am happily established in aviation. I meet or discuss issues with TC staff on at least a monthly basis, the outcome of which affects many GA owners. I have done this for the past 25 years. I do not need COPA's brand over my doorway to do this. Yes, it might help, if COPA did, but traction was lost. I discussed my concerns with the COPA President, he was pleasant to talk to, but it did not get me far.
I did not have to quit aviation because I no longer saw eye to eye with COPA, I just quit COPA. My aviation happily goes along very nicely. I am proud to state here, as I would person to any person, that I CHOOSE to not belong to COPA, because our philosophies seem to diverge. That's fair, I am entitled to my opinion, and to express it. This website is a good place, as long as I'm polite, they will "print" what I write. COPA, not so much....
So, I will use this website within it's rules, to express my feelings, so that other pilot owners might feel some support in decisions they might choose to make for themselves - it really does not affect me anyway!
In the mean time, any owner who wants to fly an external load, or change a propeller has a much larger regulatory burden to manage to do it, and I did not see COPA help one bit in affecting moderation with TC when those rules were proposed. I was at those meetings, and so was COPA.
Being a member of a group is fine, if it serves your needs. Not being a member is fine too....
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Who are you Colonel Sanders, and what are you hiding from,or are you going to call or email me so that I know who I am talking to? Or are you just another anonymous sniper?
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Congrats on sorting out the caps-lock thing, btw.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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I will commit my quasi anonymity to stand behind the Colonel. He is hardly anonymous, and in my opinion well expresses the valid opinions which others might also express, were they to choose to post.Or are you just another anonymous sniper?
If certain COPA insiders/supporters applied as much effort to steering COPA to be more transparent and effective for its members, as appears to be being devoted to defending the recent past, there might be more unity between the COPA members, and the outsiders!
Congrats on sorting out the caps-lock thing, btw.

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Yeah, good luck with that. Didn't someone report a few pages back that special security had been hired for this year's AGM? Probably security that will give the bum's rush to someone who tries to "make trouble" by bringing up anything to do with Doug Ronan.JUST GIVE IT A REST AND YOU CAN SETTLE THIS AT THE AGM
I can't attend the AGM from half-way across the country. I would give my proxy to someone who I felt would vote "my way", but I don't have a way to find someone in the AGM area who I could name as my proxy. They don't make it easy on purpose. They don't want proxies that vote against the party line.
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I have to agree with Airframe on thisAirFrame wrote:Yeah, good luck with that. Didn't someone report a few pages back that special security had been hired for this year's AGM? Probably security that will give the bum's rush to someone who tries to "make trouble" by bringing up anything to do with Doug Ronan.JUST GIVE IT A REST AND YOU CAN SETTLE THIS AT THE AGM
I can't attend the AGM from half-way across the country. I would give my proxy to someone who I felt would vote "my way", but I don't have a way to find someone in the AGM area who I could name as my proxy. They don't make it easy on purpose. They don't want proxies that vote against the party line.
The COPA Board has instructed its Directors to keep quiet and NOT respond any questions regarding the DR incident . Is that the correct way to address Members concerns ?> No it is not
COPA has hired security for the AGM and I suspect any dissenters will be given the bums rush
This will of course contravene the COPA Constitution but I doubt the Directors will care.
Going to be an interesting AGM for sure
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You're probably right, but if we could arrangeI doubt the Directors will care
for say 70% of the membership to find about
this situation, and not renew their memberships,
that might get their attention.
That's the only input we as (former) members
have - whether or not we choose to renew our
memberships.
Apparently, Mr Caps Lock thinks that we are not
even entitled to make that choice.
A quick "Google" - you might want to learn aboutWho are you Colonel Sanders
using "internet search engines" shows this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders
I've killed millions more chickens than Alice
Cooper, but curiously he gets all the bad press.
Let's keep it that way.
WKRP anyone? Bueller?Alice Cooper's "shock rock" reputation apparently developed almost by accident at first. An unrehearsed stage routine involving Cooper, a feather pillow and a live chicken garnered attention from the press; the band decided to capitalize on the tabloid sensationalism, creating in the process a new subgenre, shock rock. Cooper claims that the infamous "Chicken Incident" at the Toronto Rock and Roll Revival concert in September 1969 was an accident. A chicken somehow made its way onto the stage into the feathers of a feather pillow they would open during Cooper's performance, and not having any experience around farm animals, Cooper presumed that, because the chicken had wings, it would be able to fly. He picked it up and threw it out over the crowd, expecting it to fly away. The chicken instead plummeted into the first few rows occupied by disabled people in wheelchairs, who reportedly proceeded to tear the bird to pieces. The next day the incident made the front page of national newspapers, and Zappa phoned Cooper and asked if the story, which reported that he had bitten off the chicken's head and drunk its blood on stage, was true. Cooper denied the rumor, whereupon Zappa told him, "Well, whatever you do, don't tell anyone you didn't do it."
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av8rphil wrote:I AM DISGUSTED
I AN DISGUSTED WITH Jungle Jim AND I_reason FOR MAKING FUN OF SOMEONE'S NAME BECAUSE THEY HAVE STOOPED TO THIS INSTEAD ARGUING WITH REASON
I AN DISGUSTED BY THE APATHY OF COPA MEMBERS BECAUSE HALFWAY THROUGH THIS ONTARIO DIRECTORS' ELECTION ONLY 150 VOTES OUT OF 5000+ VOTES HAVE BEEN CAST...GET OFF YOUR BUTS AND VOTE...IF NOT FOR ME, VOTE FOR 3 OF THE OTHER SIX GOOD CANDIDATES
I AM DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO WOULD RATHER LET THEIR MEMBERSHIP LAPSE THAN OPPOSE THE SITUATION. THE FIRST RULE OF FLYING LIFE WHEN SOMETHING IS WRONG "IS DO SOMETHING."
I AN DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO POST TO THIS SITE WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF COPA AND JUST WANT TO MAKE THEMSELVES TALLER BY BITCHING
YOU BITCHING NON-MEMBERS IF YOU WANT TO SEE COPA SURVIVE JOIN, IT IF NOT, SHUT THE F*@^% UP. IF NOT, YOU MUST BE OUT TO SEE THE DEMISE OF ONE THE GREATEST ORGANIZATION IN CANADA
I DO NOT HIDE BEHIND MY USER NAME...IF YOU TAKE UMBRAGE WITH ME, MY NAME, EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER IS ON PAGE 3 OF COPA FLIGHT
JUST GIVE IT A REST AND YOU CAN SETTLE THIS AT THE AGM
Frankly SIR, I believe and hope that you just took yourself out of the running. Screaming diatribes expressing disgust in those you wish to represent does not instill in me any sense that you are a diplomate able to navigate your way through the current mess. Frankly your outburst is perpetuating the attitude that exemplifies what is currently wrong with COPA; either agree with me or "... SHUT THE F*@^% UP...". I remain a member and would like to see change (how about a term limit for president - a salary more in line with reality might be nice as well), but with this one interaction I DO NOT see you as someone to support on the road to that change.
PS: NOT voting is, in fact, a vote and should be speaking volumes ...
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Email sent to Patrick Gilligan at COPA,
expressing my appreciation at being
told by him to "SHUT THE F__K UP".
expressing my appreciation at being
told by him to "SHUT THE F__K UP".
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TOWing the party line (as in Tube launched, Optically tracked, Wire guided) might have been a freudian slip!PilotDAR wrote:Ah, you're right, and I even thought about that before I typed it, and still got it wrong! But, it is pretty heavy party line, it might have to be towed, rather than toed.....Ahem: TOE the party line. Not TOW.
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Hey Philav8rphil wrote:I AM DISGUSTED
I AN DISGUSTED WITH Jungle Jim AND I_reason FOR MAKING FUN OF SOMEONE'S NAME BECAUSE THEY HAVE STOOPED TO THIS INSTEAD ARGUING WITH REASON
I AN DISGUSTED BY THE APATHY OF COPA MEMBERS BECAUSE HALFWAY THROUGH THIS ONTARIO DIRECTORS' ELECTION ONLY 150 VOTES OUT OF 5000+ VOTES HAVE BEEN CAST...GET OFF YOUR BUTS AND VOTE...IF NOT FOR ME, VOTE FOR 3 OF THE OTHER SIX GOOD CANDIDATES
I AM DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO WOULD RATHER LET THEIR MEMBERSHIP LAPSE THAN OPPOSE THE SITUATION. THE FIRST RULE OF FLYING LIFE WHEN SOMETHING IS WRONG "IS DO SOMETHING."
I AN DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO POST TO THIS SITE WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF COPA AND JUST WANT TO MAKE THEMSELVES TALLER BY BITCHING
YOU BITCHING NON-MEMBERS IF YOU WANT TO SEE COPA SURVIVE JOIN, IT IF NOT, SHUT THE F*@^% UP. IF NOT, YOU MUST BE OUT TO SEE THE DEMISE OF ONE THE GREATEST ORGANIZATION IN CANADA
I DO NOT HIDE BEHIND MY USER NAME...IF YOU TAKE UMBRAGE WITH ME, MY NAME, EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER IS ON PAGE 3 OF COPA FLIGHT
JUST GIVE IT A REST AND YOU CAN SETTLE THIS AT THE AGM
Some friendly advice :
Are you speaking on behalf of COPA ?
As a Director, your statements are taken as being on behalf of the organization so you may want to try to be a little more diplomatic when posting on a public Forum.
People will look at this behaviour coming from a COPA Director as one more reason to walk away from or not join
If I were you I would think twice about posting on a public forum on behalf of COPA
They already got rid of one Director for going public
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ROFLMFAO ( sorry about the caps)Colonel Sanders wrote:You're probably right, but if we could arrangeI doubt the Directors will care
for say 70% of the membership to find about
this situation, and not renew their memberships,
that might get their attention.
That's the only input we as (former) members
have - whether or not we choose to renew our
memberships.
Apparently, Mr Caps Lock thinks that we are not
even entitled to make that choice.
A quick "Google" - you might want to learn aboutWho are you Colonel Sanders
using "internet search engines" shows this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders
I've killed millions more chickens than Alice
Cooper, but curiously he gets all the bad press.
Let's keep it that way.
WKRP anyone? Bueller?Alice Cooper's "shock rock" reputation apparently developed almost by accident at first. An unrehearsed stage routine involving Cooper, a feather pillow and a live chicken garnered attention from the press; the band decided to capitalize on the tabloid sensationalism, creating in the process a new subgenre, shock rock. Cooper claims that the infamous "Chicken Incident" at the Toronto Rock and Roll Revival concert in September 1969 was an accident. A chicken somehow made its way onto the stage into the feathers of a feather pillow they would open during Cooper's performance, and not having any experience around farm animals, Cooper presumed that, because the chicken had wings, it would be able to fly. He picked it up and threw it out over the crowd, expecting it to fly away. The chicken instead plummeted into the first few rows occupied by disabled people in wheelchairs, who reportedly proceeded to tear the bird to pieces. The next day the incident made the front page of national newspapers, and Zappa phoned Cooper and asked if the story, which reported that he had bitten off the chicken's head and drunk its blood on stage, was true. Cooper denied the rumor, whereupon Zappa told him, "Well, whatever you do, don't tell anyone you didn't do it."




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All the directors are gathering proxies across the country and are sending them to head office to "verify that they are COPA members" - what really happening is the B of D s are getting them in their hands because they actually say that the person who collected them OR THE PRESDIENT CAN VOTE ON THE PERSONS BEHALF!! That's called stacking the deck! If there are 500 people at the meeting and they all vote against this new by-law change that gives the President and the board a bunch of open ended ways of getting rid of a director - and he's got 1000 proxies in his hand then he cant lose!! Even though the people who signed them didn't - first of all give them to him - and secondly don't really know how or what they are voting on!! Pretty scary and very undemocratic!!
I am not too happy with this type of behaviour coming from a group I am associated with.
I am not too happy with this type of behaviour coming from a group I am associated with.
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And that is why so many members do not go to the AGM. The intent of proxies is to ensure a quorum, they were never intended to be a method to change the "one member, one vote" rule and yet that is what they have become. If you invest in a company and there is a proxy issued for an AGM, the proposals requiring a vote are spelled out on the proxy form and you can vote either for or against. The issue here is not so much proxies as it is OPEN proxies.fleet16b wrote:All the directors are gathering proxies across the country and are sending them to head office to "verify that they are COPA members" - what really happening is the B of D s are getting them in their hands because they actually say that the person who collected them OR THE PRESDIENT CAN VOTE ON THE PERSONS BEHALF!! That's called stacking the deck! If there are 500 people at the meeting and they all vote against this new by-law change that gives the President and the board a bunch of open ended ways of getting rid of a director - and he's got 1000 proxies in his hand then he cant lose!! Even though the people who signed them didn't - first of all give them to him - and secondly don't really know how or what they are voting on!! Pretty scary and very undemocratic!!
I am not too happy with this type of behaviour coming from a group I am associated with.
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Not the first time an association was hijacked by proxy.
Folks, we just need to be fair and balanced and disclose our "anonymous snipers" full names, addresses and physical locations.
Scientific studies show that sniper victims fall softer and happier if they know who decked them. Its just more personal, this way.
If one could just mute discussions like this one... it would make it so much easier with getting particularly inconvenient people shut up, either by threat of lawsuit or other nasty means as so poorly attempted above. What a joke, its impossible to sip on a cup of coffee while reading this rant.
The problem for me isn't in the loss of COPA (good things always reappear) it is with the damage done to General Aviation when large associations fail in such miserable style. Members get so disgusted, they will walk away and even a new replacement organization may never recruit them again.
Each one of these little foot stomping power & control outbreaks causes dozens, if not hundreds of people to do what I did and promise to never ever join another association, no matter how nice it looks and behaves today. No money, no volunteering, period. COPA members are paying to have one of their own censored and shut up for speaking up against the Fuehrers. Not only that, these clowns are willing to spend members dollars to drag those inconvenient people to court! Ewww!
Fact is, this isn't a brush fire anymore. This is a full-on PR crisis that requires leadership, honesty, respect and the ability to look beyond personal agendas and vendettas from its main players. No lawyers can fix it, lawsuit or not. If you want to see COPA survive, put your members and intergity first and stop trying to silence people, member or not. Sadly, no leadership attributes are on display. You can't gag everyone and you certainly can't gag people who have seen these nasty games before and are not (and have never been) afraid to put a hot and bright spotlight on it.
Shutting up is the equivalent of being an accomplice whereas light makes the cockroaches run for cover.
Folks, we just need to be fair and balanced and disclose our "anonymous snipers" full names, addresses and physical locations.
Scientific studies show that sniper victims fall softer and happier if they know who decked them. Its just more personal, this way.
If one could just mute discussions like this one... it would make it so much easier with getting particularly inconvenient people shut up, either by threat of lawsuit or other nasty means as so poorly attempted above. What a joke, its impossible to sip on a cup of coffee while reading this rant.
In reality you are disgusted with people who dare to criticize and speak up and offer other perspectives than your "With Us Or Against Us" attitude. It is this group-think attitude and demeanor that has divided countries and continents, it is this very attitude that will break and destroy your once proud association.av8orphil wrote:I AN DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO POST TO THIS SITE WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF COPA AND JUST WANT TO MAKE THEMSELVES TALLER BY BITCHING YOU BITCHING NON-MEMBERS IF YOU WANT TO SEE COPA SURVIVE JOIN, IT IF NOT, SHUT THE F*@^% UP. IF NOT, YOU MUST BE OUT TO SEE THE DEMISE OF ONE THE GREATEST ORGANIZATION IN CANADA
The problem for me isn't in the loss of COPA (good things always reappear) it is with the damage done to General Aviation when large associations fail in such miserable style. Members get so disgusted, they will walk away and even a new replacement organization may never recruit them again.
Each one of these little foot stomping power & control outbreaks causes dozens, if not hundreds of people to do what I did and promise to never ever join another association, no matter how nice it looks and behaves today. No money, no volunteering, period. COPA members are paying to have one of their own censored and shut up for speaking up against the Fuehrers. Not only that, these clowns are willing to spend members dollars to drag those inconvenient people to court! Ewww!
Fact is, this isn't a brush fire anymore. This is a full-on PR crisis that requires leadership, honesty, respect and the ability to look beyond personal agendas and vendettas from its main players. No lawyers can fix it, lawsuit or not. If you want to see COPA survive, put your members and intergity first and stop trying to silence people, member or not. Sadly, no leadership attributes are on display. You can't gag everyone and you certainly can't gag people who have seen these nasty games before and are not (and have never been) afraid to put a hot and bright spotlight on it.
Shutting up is the equivalent of being an accomplice whereas light makes the cockroaches run for cover.
Integrity Is A Choice. It is consistently choosing the simplicity and purity of truth over popularity. ~ Unknown
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+1jjbaker wrote:Not the first time an association was hijacked by proxy.
Folks, we just need to be fair and balanced and disclose our "anonymous snipers" full names, addresses and physical locations.
Scientific studies show that sniper victims fall softer and happier if they know who decked them. Its just more personal, this way.
If one could just mute discussions like this one... it would make it so much easier with getting particularly inconvenient people shut up, either by threat of lawsuit or other nasty means as so poorly attempted above. What a joke, its impossible to sip on a cup of coffee while reading this rant.
In reality you are disgusted with people who dare to criticize and speak up and offer other perspectives than your "With Us Or Against Us" attitude. It is this group-think attitude and demeanor that has divided countries and continents, it is this very attitude that will break and destroy your once proud association.av8orphil wrote:I AN DISGUSTED WITH PEOPLE WHO POST TO THIS SITE WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF COPA AND JUST WANT TO MAKE THEMSELVES TALLER BY BITCHING YOU BITCHING NON-MEMBERS IF YOU WANT TO SEE COPA SURVIVE JOIN, IT IF NOT, SHUT THE F*@^% UP. IF NOT, YOU MUST BE OUT TO SEE THE DEMISE OF ONE THE GREATEST ORGANIZATION IN CANADA
The problem for me isn't in the loss of COPA (good things always reappear) it is with the damage done to General Aviation when large associations fail in such miserable style. Members get so disgusted, they will walk away and even a new replacement organization may never recruit them again.
Each one of these little foot stomping power & control outbreaks causes dozens, if not hundreds of people to do what I did and promise to never ever join another association, no matter how nice it looks and behaves today. No money, no volunteering, period. COPA members are paying to have one of their own censored and shut up for speaking up against the Fuehrers. Not only that, these clowns are willing to spend members dollars to drag those inconvenient people to court! Ewww!
Fact is, this isn't a brush fire anymore. This is a full-on PR crisis that requires leadership, honesty, respect and the ability to look beyond personal agendas and vendettas from its main players. No lawyers can fix it, lawsuit or not. If you want to see COPA survive, put your members and intergity first and stop trying to silence people, member or not. Sadly, no leadership attributes are on display. You can't gag everyone and you certainly can't gag people who have seen these nasty games before and are not (and have never been) afraid to put a hot and bright spotlight on it.
Shutting up is the equivalent of being an accomplice whereas light makes the cockroaches run for cover.
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Av8rphil, if you spend a few minutes on this site you would see that Colonel is not anonymous, quite the opposite in fact.av8rphil wrote:Who are you Colonel Sanders, and what are you hiding from,or are you going to call or email me so that I know who I am talking to? Or are you just another anonymous sniper?
While berating us I couldn’t help but notice you didn’t actually come forward with your identity, merely where to find it with the catch that you’d have to have access or be a member of COPA to find out, interesting.
I happen to be a member (mostly for the monthly newspaper) and I feel it is very inappropriate for a person in your position to be expressing your opinions in such a manner on a public forum.
While you do have valid points regarding being involved and standing up for GA through COPA I feel as though your approach could only hinder your efforts.
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Re: doug ronan removed as director from copa
After 20,000+ posts on this website over
10 years, it boggles the mind that people
would not know who I am, where I am,
and what I do.
If need be, I can post an extensive array
of photos as documentary evidence of the
above
10 years, it boggles the mind that people
would not know who I am, where I am,
and what I do.
If need be, I can post an extensive array
of photos as documentary evidence of the
above

Re: doug ronan removed as director from copa
No, please, not the photos...
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
Re: doug ronan removed as director from copa
ColonelColonel Sanders wrote:After 20,000+ posts on this website over
10 years, it boggles the mind that people
would not know who I am, where I am,
and what I do.
If need be, I can post an extensive array
of photos as documentary evidence of the
above
I'll take the four piece meal with fries, coleslaw on the side...... To go.

...isn't he the best pilot you've ever seen?....Yeah he is ....except when I'm shaving.........