eyebrow737 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:12 am
Fanblade, it's not true in Canada. As evidenced plenty of other companies here have direct entry. As mentioned both sunwing and AT might have DEC soon. And Cargojet has done.
For about the third time in this thread.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with DEC so long as it was offered in house to anyone qualified first.. It is not very commen in Canada but has happened. I suspect it will become more common as pilots become short. Nevertheless the DEC still joins the bottom of the list. They still live with the seniority system once on property. Year one pay. Last choice vacation. Last choice of schedule. Risk of forced reduction to RP if reductions happen. First one furloughed etc.
eyebrow737 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:12 am
My point is two fold. The system has obviously failed Canada with some of the worst paid pilots in the world...mostly because of people saying... That's the way we have done it and that's the way we do it.
Now your just jumping to conclusions. Throwing the baby out with the bath water. The seniority system has no direct correlation with pay. If that were true US carriers would pay less as well. We are some of the worst paid pilots because of a myriad of reasons for which I don’t have the time to recite. But some of the largest factors have been well beyond our control. Air Canada is just now wiping off the last pieces of its legacy pre deregulation crown corporation cost structure and culture. From the late 80’s to early 2012 there was not a single legacy Airline in Canada ( AC and it’s previous entities) that was not brushing up against insolvency. Today’s environment is the first time since deregulation ( 30 years) that the stones we work for have blood to give.
That alone is the single biggest reason why our pay is where it is. The next largest reason is the cost of operation in Canada from taxation to airport fees. This will permanently prevent us from reaching the pay of our foreign peers. Too much cream is coming off the top in this country. But hey that is what you get for living in a quasi socialist country where income redistribution is used as a social safety/welfare net.
eyebrow737 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:12 am
Secondly is to try and tone down some of the hate here against other pilots accusing others of high crimes and misdemeanors when they in every case would do exactly the same if in a similar position.
There are currently lots of jobs out there for qualified pilots. There is no “food shortage” as you put it to make people do things they wish they didn’t have to do.
I get your point though. We look differently at someone who steals out of hunger, than we do at someone who steals because they just want it. The problem with your analogy is currently no one is hungry.
Hate is also a strong word and IMO not what I read here. What I read is indignation and anger. Both understandable considering what transpired.