Ice Pilots - Season 3

[shitdisturber]

Lets all remember that Larry is getting paid to learn as opposed to paying to learn..... Big difference. Que the uproar

In a word, "bullshit"! While there's nothing wrong with letting a guy continue on with a mistake as long as it's safe to do so, there's also no need to humiliate the person who does. When you pull crap like that, you end up with someone who's afraid to make a mistake; they're generally an accident looking for a place to happen because when things start going sideways on you, they're likely to freeze and do nothing. Apparently Devon has already forgotten his "little" incident with the wing tip of the C-46 and how he didn't get torn a new one over it; although if ever anyone deserved it, it was him. The "stay out of my way" comment, is just further evidence that no matter how well he can fly the aircraft, he has no business being a training captain.

[Driving Rain]

Apparently Devon has already forgotten his "little" incident with the wing tip of the C-46 and how he didn't get torn a new one over it;

How do you know where you there or are you drawing all your conclusions from what you saw on a TV show? Believe me when the cameras weren't rolling Joe took a huge bite out of his ass.

When you pull crap like that, you end up with someone who's afraid to make a mistake; they're generally an accident looking for a place to happen because when things start going sideways on you, they're likely to freeze and do nothing.

I'm afraid to make mistakes and I'm not an accident looking for a place to happen, I'm sorry I don't follow your train of thought.
In my long career I've flown with plenty of guys I didn't like. Not everyone gets along small companies like Buffalo don't have the luxury of having Training pilots that will spoon feed trainees all the knowledge they need to handle the job.
My earlier comment was just pointing out the difference between going to a school where you pay and are therefore a customer and get treated like one as opposed to getting on the job training.
I've been humiliated and believe what I witnessed on that little snippet was a long way from humiliated.

[5dayer]

Devon's not an Instructor - he's a Pilot. There to show em how it's done, not to teach em how to do it.

he is a captain, his role is to teach and nurture and get the most out of his crew.That includes a low time FO. The FO should not be scared to speak up. Thats how its done in the airline world and the real world.

[Double Wasp]

Devon's not an Instructor - he's a Pilot. There to show em how it's done, not to teach em how to do it.

he is a captain, his role is to teach and nurture and get the most out of his crew.That includes a low time FO. The FO should not be scared to speak up. Thats how its done in the airline world and the real world.

I have not had one job description in my career that included the word nurture.

He may not have gone about things in the way that everyone agrees however the way this company trains people has been out there for a long time and anyone who goes to work there should know this and not be surprised. A captain is always training his replacement but there are definately different ways of going about it, now you know how it is done there so you better not apply.

The people on here pissing and moaning obviously don't work there however, I am sure spouting off about everything on avcanada will make everyone at Buffalo change their management style.

How has that worked out so far?

Cheers
DW

[5dayer]

I dont need to apply there and when I did need jobs I never did.

[shitdisturber]

I'm afraid to make mistakes and I'm not an accident looking for a place to happen, I'm sorry I don't follow your train of thought.

My train of thought being that when things are going sideways, he might just sit there and do nothing for fear of getting reamed out.


In my long career I've flown with plenty of guys I didn't like. Not everyone gets along small companies like Buffalo don't have the luxury of having Training pilots that will spoon feed trainees all the knowledge they need to handle the job.
My earlier comment was just pointing out the difference between going to a school where you pay and are therefore a customer and get treated like one as opposed to getting on the job training.

Again, bullshit! I fly for a smaller company than Buffalo and debriefs from training etc; are handled, quietly, calmly, constructively, and professionally. I'm about to start line flying on a Lear, a wee bit more airplane than I'm used to; I expect to make mistakes, get corrected, and learn from them. I also expect to be my own harshest critic and I'm quite certain that the guys I'm flying with are going to cut me a lot more slack than I'm willing to cut myself!

[shimmydampner]

Devon's not an Instructor - he's a Pilot. There to show em how it's done, not to teach em how to do it.

Well then I guess these poor 200 hour wonders had better possess the same level of skill and knowledge that he does, right out of the gate.

Give me a break. Sure, he is a PILOT not an instructor, but he is also supposed to be a CAPTAIN. A good captain realizes that that job description encompasses much more than simply safely navigating from A to B. It includes being a leader to and manager of your crew. It includes mentoring co-pilots and passing on (read: "teaching") tips and knowledge to them that you've gained through experience, in order to help them develop their skills and become better pilots. Furthermore, that portion of the job description will most certainly be more effectively accomplished if the captain isn't a total pr!ck about it.

He may be a competent PILOT, but certainly doesn't come across as much of a CAPTAIN.

[Indanao]

Guess you don't want to fly with Joe then ?

[Canuck223]

While I don't think drill sargent techniques are needed 24/7, there is a lot to be said for controlled stress. Simulated or safely managed stress can be a damned good teacher. Done right, it teaches you about that specific skill, and also teaches you that you can deal with stress.

[burhead1]

Seeing Arnie brought a tear to my eye, I know its a show and I don't know the guy, but god i feel bad for him and his family. Why? He is such a nice guy. Looks so frail.

[flyinthebug]

Seeing Arnie brought a tear to my eye, I know its a show and I don't know the guy, but god i feel bad for him and his family. Why? He is such a nice guy. Looks so frail.

+1

Its very hard to see Arnie looking so rough. Lets just keep thinkin good thoughts.

I did enjoy the show this week. The home movies and old pics of Joe and where he was raised were very cool. The 215 shots were awesome!..and seems they got a hell of a deal on the 215 in N. Carolina...but ill bet the farm that Joe doesnt write 1/2 million$$ cheques on spec. He sent someone down and had a look before they started that bid!

Either way, great show this week. Once you see where and how Joe came up, you start to understand why he is the way he is sometimes.

The roar of that piston radial on Joe`s Norseman made me a little horny lol

Fly safe all.

[cdnpilot77]

The roar of that piston radial on Joe`s Norseman made me a little horny lol

Fly safe all.

Wouldn't want to be sitting next you at Norseman Days in YRL

[raven54]

Devon's not an Instructor - he's a Pilot. There to show em how it's done, not to teach em how to do it.

Well then I guess these poor 200 hour wonders had better possess the same level of skill and knowledge that he does, right out of the gate.

Give me a break. Sure, he is a PILOT not an instructor, but he is also supposed to be a CAPTAIN. A good captain realizes that that job description encompasses much more than simply safely navigating from A to B. It includes being a leader to and manager of your crew. It includes mentoring co-pilots and passing on (read: "teaching") tips and knowledge to them that you've gained through experience, in order to help them develop their skills and become better pilots. Furthermore, that portion of the job description will most certainly be more effectively accomplished if the captain isn't a total pr!ck about it.

He may be a competent PILOT, but certainly doesn't come across as much of a CAPTAIN.

I agree, he had douche written all over him. Then again it may be editing....but still. It pissed me off. I believe the PPC is a lesson to learn, well beyond the line indoc. Hell, I still learn lots every time I go flying and am happy to do so.

[Big Pistons Forever]

So now that season 3 is over will there be a season 4 ?

[Adiabatic]

"Are you going to eat that?", says Arnie eying my chocolate bar from across the cockpit.
"You have one in your shirt pocket Arnie, I know it!"
Usually a pack of twizzlers not far away from those hands.
Always a pleasure flying with Arnie, nothing but good words for the man.
I wish him the best, and hopefully he can get his 185 up and going in the summer.

Cameras have been back since early October, working on season 4. I can never see how they get 13 episodes of content while they are here. We try to make things as boring as possible!

[Driving Rain]

they got a hell of a deal on the 215 in N. Carolina...but ill bet the farm that Joe doesnt write 1/2 million$$ cheques on spec. He sent someone down and had a look before they started that bid!

One of Joe's NWT Duck captains was formally the captain on the North Carolina 215 and he still lives there. It was he who put them on to the EBay deal. Not only was that a great deal it came with a fantastic spares inventory that was picked up for pennies on the pound. When Mike and Duane called for the key to enter the locked tanker (their Carolina contact) the call went to Yellowknife.

[FenderManDan]

they got a hell of a deal on the 215 in N. Carolina...but ill bet the farm that Joe doesnt write 1/2 million$$ cheques on spec. He sent someone down and had a look before they started that bid!

One of Joe's NWT Duck captains was formally the captain on the North Carolina 215 and he still lives there. It was he who put them on to the EBay deal. Not only was that a great deal it came with a fantastic spares inventory that was picked up for pennies on the pound. When Mike and Duane called for the key to enter the locked tanker (their Carolina contact) the call went to Yellowknife.

Yep it seemed too good to be true. I had a reservation about spending $1000 on a guitar that was selling on ebay, let alone an airplane. With all that TV editing, Joe does not seem to be a person to open a "cash bag" that easily on anything even if it was the great deal on the fire bomber.

I understand that Joe is keeping that "bush" feel with their "wear what you want to work" look. I mean, I would not expect them to wear a white shirts around those big pistons and loading cargo but some type of warmer weather uniform might be expected. Safety and professional look should be part of their operation, me thinks.

[wan2fly99]

Last night show Jan-19
Saw Arnie, man what a difference, actually had a tear in my eye. What a dreaded decease that is.

I hope he makes it thru and returns flying What a wealth of knowledge and what a person to learn from.

He seems such a nice guy

Said a little prayer for him and his family Two cancer victims in one family

[bigsky]

A book is coming nest.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/sto ... aunch.html

Ice Pilots NWT has been a hit on television and now there's a book based on the popular show.

The Ice Pilots: Flying with the Mavericks of the Great White North, written by Michael Vlessides, is based on the lives of the cast of characters at the renegade family-run airline.

Vlessides is a former editor of the northern magazine Up Here. He also penned a best-seller about another northern character, ‘Survivorman’ Les Stroud, who also has his own popular television show.

The launch will be in Yellowknife on Saturday, Jan. 21 at the Book Cellar on 49 Street at 2 p.m. MT.
Mikey McBryan, Buffalo Airways' general manager and one of Ice Pilots NWT's stars, will be at the Yellowknife Book Cellar Saturday to celebrate the launch of a book based on the airline.Mikey McBryan, Buffalo Airways' general manager and one of Ice Pilots NWT's stars, will be at the Yellowknife Book Cellar Saturday to celebrate the launch of a book based on the airline. (CBC)

Mikey McBryan, general manager of Buffalo Airways, said he and a few others from the show will be around for the launch.

“So if anyone is in Yellowknife, we’ll be signing books and, you know, there will be give-aways and free food and all that kind of fun stuff. When you read it you can kind of see how it is behind the cameras,” said McBryan.

The book is published by Douglas & McIntyre.

[SpyPilot]

One of Arnie's Finer Moments.

A number of months ago The History Channel aired DamBusters Fly Again, then on the 11th, PBS aired Bombing Hitler's Dams. Essentially the same 2 hour show but edited differently with the Nova version detailing more of the actual history of the raid.The images of Arnie from both of those programs will be how I remember him best.

Seeing him last week briefly and then much more this week, it was difficult to see just how debilitating cancer can be.

[longjon]

I don't watch this show on a regluar basis but saw the last 30 min this week. Did I see Arnie with a Cigarette in his hand?

[jump154]

I must say that that last episode was one of the best I have seen for a long time

1) They showed some fire-bombing - something I have been wanting to see since the series started. I always had respect for those who fly these missions, but now I have way more respect! I know that camera foreshortening effects come into play, but the shots of 2 tankers circling with the BirdDog seemingly very close, then adding helicopters into the mix made me really appreciate the work you guys do! Also, drove home why the rest of us cannot fly low near a forest fire.....

2) The section on Joe's upbringing, and visiting the camp with 2 younger generations of his family was superb. Nice to see some float work (and the wife saying "I'd like to land on water one day" so I might now be able to justify a float rating )

3) Arnie - I don't think anyone can deny that brought a tear to their eye - I especially like the comparison to the Dambusters show that has been airing recently, really shows the devastating effect of this disease. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Arnie and hope everything is now going in the right direction. I would love to learn from someone like that.

4) Love the comment by Scott Blue that "Perhaps airlines aren't everything"

5) Loved even more the somment by Joe slong the lines of "Life today is full of problems that we've created for ourselves"

Only disappointment for the season - don't remember seeing Mikey in hedley's Pitts - saw the L39, and clips of the Pitts in the credits but cannot remember it featured in an episode.

Looking forward to Season 4.

[co-joe]

I like Joe's comment about how quickly the past 50 years went by and that if you're just killing time you need to get at er. Well said.

I also learned I have no idea how to pronounce Noorduyn.

[jona]

I must say that that last episode was one of the best I have seen for a long time

1) They showed some fire-bombing - something I have been wanting to see since the series started. I always had respect for those who fly these missions, but now I have way more respect! I know that camera foreshortening effects come into play, but the shots of 2 tankers circling with the BirdDog seemingly very close, then adding helicopters into the mix made me really appreciate the work you guys do! Also, drove home why the rest of us cannot fly low near a forest fire.....

2) The section on Joe's upbringing, and visiting the camp with 2 younger generations of his family was superb. Nice to see some float work (and the wife saying "I'd like to land on water one day" so I might now be able to justify a float rating )

3) Arnie - I don't think anyone can deny that brought a tear to their eye - I especially like the comparison to the Dambusters show that has been airing recently, really shows the devastating effect of this disease. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Arnie and hope everything is now going in the right direction. I would love to learn from someone like that.

4) Love the comment by Scott Blue that "Perhaps airlines aren't everything"

5) Loved even more the somment by Joe slong the lines of "Life today is full of problems that we've created for ourselves"

Only disappointment for the season - don't remember seeing Mikey in hedley's Pitts - saw the L39, and clips of the Pitts in the credits but cannot remember it featured in an episode.

Looking forward to Season 4.

That Scott Blue line is awesome, he is one of my favorite people from the show. I really hope Arnie gets better. So sad. I was really nervous towards the end of the show that they were going to tell us he passed away or something. Look forward to next season and I hope they show Arnie back to health !!

[wan2fly99]

Hey Rona I'm with you on Arnie I had a tear in my eye for the man. I hope he gets thru this ordeal but these shows are done before to airing so who know how he is done. If anybody knows can you post his condition. I think he's a great person from what I saw on the show

I really hope he makes it thru