Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?

[PostmasterGeneral]

Nothing will come of it.

[swervin]

So WTF happened at yesterday’s special MEC meeting. 5 Reps called for the meeting and only 2 showed??

[CaptDukeNukem]

Probably something about a bigger TV

[Fowler]

Yul Comm:

Fellow Pilots,

To clarify key facts omitted from last night’s FastRead:

A special MEC meeting to consider recall of the JAZ MEC executive was properly called with majority support from YUL, YYC, and YVR.
The meeting notice was issued late on December 22 when the Vancouver captain representative confirmed support.
Hours before the meeting, the Vancouver captain representative reassigned their proxy to the YYZ first officer representative.
Flight releases from duty were available and granted upon request.
The following representatives did not attend and did not transfer proxies, resulting in no quorum and the meeting being unable to proceed:
YVR first officer representative
YYZ captain representative
YYZ first officer representative (holding the YVR captain proxy)
In contrast, the YUL and YYC first officer representatives, though medically unavailable, assigned proxies, ensuring full representation of Montreal and Calgary pilots.
A charged Christmas Eve email from an ALPA employee requiring political neutrality which likely influenced the process is under ALPA investigation.
Context matters:
Current MEC majority is less than 4%
35 pilots system-wide
One representative vote from change
These events reinforce the importance of pilots engaging their elected representatives and making sure they are represented—particularly in Vancouver and Toronto.

In solidarity,


Your LEC


Gilbert Renaud

Chair

Captain Rep

Stephane Coulombe

Vice-Chair

First Officer Rep

Andrew Schliep

Secretary-Treasurer

[Nick678]

Yul Comm:

Fellow Pilots,

To clarify key facts omitted from last night’s FastRead:

A special MEC meeting to consider recall of the JAZ MEC executive was properly called with majority support from YUL, YYC, and YVR.
The meeting notice was issued late on December 22 when the Vancouver captain representative confirmed support.
Hours before the meeting, the Vancouver captain representative reassigned their proxy to the YYZ first officer representative.
Flight releases from duty were available and granted upon request.
The following representatives did not attend and did not transfer proxies, resulting in no quorum and the meeting being unable to proceed:
YVR first officer representative
YYZ captain representative
YYZ first officer representative (holding the YVR captain proxy)
In contrast, the YUL and YYC first officer representatives, though medically unavailable, assigned proxies, ensuring full representation of Montreal and Calgary pilots.
A charged Christmas Eve email from an ALPA employee requiring political neutrality which likely influenced the process is under ALPA investigation.
Context matters:
Current MEC majority is less than 4%
35 pilots system-wide
One representative vote from change
These events reinforce the importance of pilots engaging their elected representatives and making sure they are represented—particularly in Vancouver and Toronto.

In solidarity,


Your LEC


Gilbert Renaud

Chair

Captain Rep

Stephane Coulombe

Vice-Chair

First Officer Rep

Andrew Schliep

Secretary-Treasurer

Does this mean that corrupt Claude gets to keep his union Lincoln Navigator a bit longer?

[Fowler]

As long as the Vancouver and Toronto pilots don't want their voices heard and allow their reps to continue to not represent them. Heck they will probably re elect the current executive at the end of January if it keeps going this way.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." – Martin Luther King Jr.

[cdnavater]

As long as the Vancouver and Toronto pilots don't want their voices heard and allow their reps to continue to not represent them. Heck they will probably re elect the current executive at the end of January if it keeps going this way.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." – Martin Luther King Jr.

So, has anyone else thrown their hat in the ring?
I haven’t seen any emails about anyone running against him, the only plan seems to be to be get him out and I certainly would rather him than the YUL vendetta group!
GR is not doing this for the good of the group, he was part of the old guard, CBs best friend for years and years, you know, part of the problem, not the solution!

[truedude]

As long as the Vancouver and Toronto pilots don't want their voices heard and allow their reps to continue to not represent them. Heck they will probably re elect the current executive at the end of January if it keeps going this way.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." – Martin Luther King Jr.

I love that you think because the YVR and YYZ reps didn't do what you think they should have done, doesn't mean they don't represent the pilots at those bases. That is true arrogance, and perhaps being in an Echo chamber.

First, one of the members of the MEC that was facing recall is a post 2015 higher, and absolutely represents the very pilot group wanting change. And maybe YVR and YYZ members didn't think the reckless way in which this recall was taking place is the best way to try and advocate change.

And the YUL rep literally approved everything that he now claims is wrong. Hypocrisy of that nature should concern the YUL members, because it says this is not a person that actually cares about the members, but will do and say anything to try and remain the YUL rep until retirement.

Change can happen if people put up their hands. Change in the way this recall was attempting to achieve it, is dangerous. There are a lot of un-elected positions that could have seen mass resignations if the YUL and YYC reps managed to achieve their goal. Then we would be left with a union that would be incapable of doing anything.

So is it time for change, maybe. But that change needs to be measured, and not done on personal vendetta's of two reps over the age of sixty that won't be here to have to deal with the mess they have created, or the long term results their reckless actions could have had.

So if someone believes they can do the Chair position better, put up your hand and make a case.

[Mr. North]

Why don't you put your hand up Truedude, you sure have a lot of strong opinions on how it should all work.

I'm expecting the remainder of the ULP to be dismissed any day now. Hopefully the next Jazz Chair secures a strong mandate from the membership and can unify the group. This political infighting spilling out into the open is not a good look (for anyone), especially when you're threatening another pilot group with common employer. And yes, it is a threat, I don't care how you sugar coat it.

[truedude]

Why don't you put your hand up Truedude, you sure have a lot of strong opinions on how it should all work.

I'm expecting the remainder of the ULP to be dismissed any day now. Hopefully the next Jazz Chair secures a strong mandate from the membership and can unify the group. This political infighting spilling out into the open is not a good look (for anyone), especially when you're threatening another pilot group with common employer. And yes, it is a threat, I don't care how you sugar coat it.

A strong mandate to do what? To allow Jazz to simply wither and die. To allow our contract to be violated and do nothing because it may bother another pilot groups delicate sensibilities to properly defend it?

The people pushing change seem to argue the best path forward is to do absolutely nothing, particularly if it may bother anyone. A s.35 is almost a certainty at this point, regardless of who is in charge of the Jazz MEC, it is best you come to terms with that.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Only 10 years to go in that contract. Don’t worry, you’ll get em next time.

[cdnavater]

Only 10 years to go in that contract. Don’t worry, you’ll get em next time.

9 years but who’s counting, lol.
Fact is we made fairly decent gains despite being in this long term contract, the companies have decided that they would prefer to decrease the fleet to 80 fins than try to compete for pilots with Porter.
I’m not sure without further gains we can even do that but, maybe that is part of the plan! Hopefully something still comes from the ULP or potential grievance if the arbitrator decides that is the better avenue, however I’m not holding my breath as AC does whatever it wants with impunity!
Recent changes are that AC now owns and is relocating the CRJ simulator to the AC side of the building, they are also doing this with the Q400 SIM in YVR, not sure what this signifies, if anything other than cost savings but it does make you wonder.
Happy New Year!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Only 10 years to go in that contract. Don’t worry, you’ll get em next time.

9 years but who’s counting, lol.
Fact is we made fairly decent gains despite being in this long term contract, the companies have decided that they would prefer to decrease the fleet to 80 fins than try to compete for pilots with Porter.
I’m not sure without further gains we can even do that but, maybe that is part of the plan! Hopefully something still comes from the ULP or potential grievance if the arbitrator decides that is the better avenue, however I’m not holding my breath as AC does whatever it wants with impunity!
Recent changes are that AC now owns and is relocating the CRJ simulator to the AC side of the building, they are also doing this with the Q400 SIM in YVR, not sure what this signifies, if anything other than cost savings but it does make you wonder.
Happy New Year!

lol. Happy new year CDNAVATER!

You’re right. It is 9 years. I like to round up! lol. The big red machine will keep turning and who knows what the future holds. 2026 is a new year. And I’m sure it will be filled with interesting announcements and contract changes in many airlines. Hopefully for the best.

[rudder]

Only 10 years to go in that contract. Don’t worry, you’ll get em next time.

9 years but who’s counting, lol.
Fact is we made fairly decent gains despite being in this long term contract, the companies have decided that they would prefer to decrease the fleet to 80 fins than try to compete for pilots with Porter.
I’m not sure without further gains we can even do that but, maybe that is part of the plan! Hopefully something still comes from the ULP or potential grievance if the arbitrator decides that is the better avenue, however I’m not holding my breath as AC does whatever it wants with impunity!
Recent changes are that AC now owns and is relocating the CRJ simulator to the AC side of the building, they are also doing this with the Q400 SIM in YVR, not sure what this signifies, if anything other than cost savings but it does make you wonder.
Happy New Year!

Generally, 25 operational airframes requires 1 dedicated simulator. Projected Jazz Express fleet plan seems to fit this metric. AC is already paying CAE to maintain the simulators but having them in an AC building reinforces proprietary rights and control.

Whether it is Express fleet or simulators, it appears AC wants to exercise more influence in ownership and associated expense. There may also be some nominal cost savings for AC in opening up SIM bays for CAE to use on the CAE side of the buildings.

[cdnavater]

Only 10 years to go in that contract. Don’t worry, you’ll get em next time.

9 years but who’s counting, lol.
Fact is we made fairly decent gains despite being in this long term contract, the companies have decided that they would prefer to decrease the fleet to 80 fins than try to compete for pilots with Porter.
I’m not sure without further gains we can even do that but, maybe that is part of the plan! Hopefully something still comes from the ULP or potential grievance if the arbitrator decides that is the better avenue, however I’m not holding my breath as AC does whatever it wants with impunity!
Recent changes are that AC now owns and is relocating the CRJ simulator to the AC side of the building, they are also doing this with the Q400 SIM in YVR, not sure what this signifies, if anything other than cost savings but it does make you wonder.
Happy New Year!

Generally, 25 operational airframes requires 1 dedicated simulator. Projected Jazz Express fleet plan seems to fit this metric. AC is already paying CAE to maintain the simulators but having them in an AC building reinforces proprietary rights and control.

Whether it is Express fleet or simulators, it appears AC wants to exercise more influence in ownership and associated expense. There may also be some nominal cost savings for AC in opening up SIM bays for CAE to use on the CAE side of the buildings.

The memo outlined the new procedure and addressed ownership, specifically that AC now owns the SIM and new procedure for signing the logbook. Previous we were renting the time from CAE, we have been told that this one SIM can support all recurrent and 4 new hires per month, outside of that we would need to use another SIM, which we have a backup SIM in in the US, so far no need to go there and not sure that will change anytime soon. Maybe temporarily while the SIM gets moved, typically a 30 day process.

[Bede]

A s.35 is almost a certainty at this point, regardless of who is in charge of the Jazz MEC, it is best you come to terms with that.

lol

[truedude]

A s.35 is almost a certainty at this point, regardless of who is in charge of the Jazz MEC, it is best you come to terms with that.

lol

Your MEC is a complete disaster over there... maybe you should just focus on your own issues.

What are you going to say when it is filed? Because it is coming, I am not sure why you think otherwise. The paper work, from my understanding, has already been drafted and is ready to be filed.

[rudder]

“A house divided upon itself cannot stand”.

I wonder who is actually spending time representing the Jazz pilots?

Personal agendas. Personality conflicts. Politics. None of this has anything to do with fulfilling the mission statement of the JAZ MEC.

You could throw them all out - start from scratch - and would do no worse than where the current collective iteration of reps have brought you. Can anybody identify the last victory?

Keep the committees. Cultivate allies. But send the politicians back to the line (or retirement). There is a narcissistic tone to much of the communication. Victim mentality. Self righteous indignation. Accusations. Counteraccusations. And every rep that boycotted a properly constituted special MEC meeting (an abdication of responsibility) should be recalled. Your vote should be a matter of record. Hiding behind some lawyer-concocted tactic to avoid accountability is a spineless strategy.

If ever there was an MEC that needed to add term limits to the policy manual, it is this MEC. And if it turns out that ALPA National was involved in the latest fiasco, then all bets are off.

The group that deserves sympathy is the Jazz pilot membership. They deserve better.

[Fowler]

Very well put Rudder.
There should be outrage in YVR and YYZ.
Pilots get the representation they vote for.

[Bede]

Your MEC is a complete disaster over there.

At least we agree on one thing. Lol

[truedude]

Very well put Rudder.
There should be outrage in YVR and YYZ.
Pilots get the representation they vote for.

Disagree, the real outrage should be from YUL pilots for having a Capt Rep that rubber stamped everything that he now claims to be against. Everyone should be concerned about the 2 reps that want to burn it all to the ground, despite being over 60 and won't be here to deal with the consequences. They have zero plan, and the chair isn't an entry level postion.

I strongly dislike how some of these positions have become career spots for some. And would gladly see some fresh faces at the top. But I haven't seen anyone raise their hand for the chair position, let alone anyone qualified to do it. But burning it to the ground for a personal vendetta is not a solution to anything.

And as for Rudder, he is retired yet still has nothing better to do than comment on Avcanada... Whether he likes it or not, this isn't his fight anymore, his career is over.

[Fowler]

over 60?

The captain rep is probably near/over 60 but the fo rep and sec treas are under or near 40 and are lifers at Jazz.

[truedude]

over 60?

The captain rep is probably near/over 60 but the fo rep and sec treas are under or near 40 and are lifers at Jazz.

This reckless push to burn the entire MEC executive is primarily driven by two people. The YYC Capt Rep, and the YUL Capt rep. One of which it is clearly personal for, and given they had previously voted in favor of pretty much everything they claim to take issue with today, is hypocritical beyond absurdity.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Your entire leadership needs a change. Spineless, incompetent morons who circle jerk with management and can’t even get the company to align with a contract that was previously agreed on. Recall them all. It can’t be worse , no matter who you put in.

[truedude]

Your entire leadership needs a change. Spineless, incompetent morons who circle jerk with management and can’t even get the company to align with a contract that was previously agreed on. Recall them all. It can’t be worse , no matter who you put in.

And what do you think the ULP is about? We called them on their BS immediately. But the process takes time. What airline doesn't violate collective agreements? WJ, AC, etc, all play games. Sky Regional was literally started while AC pilots had an exclusivity clause regarding teir 2 flying.

And of course it can be worse. It can always be worse. And allowing people with an axe to grind burn it all to the ground is not a good solution.