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EI-EIO · Post by **EI-EIO** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:27 am

response from ward councillor - trying to track down a direct email for Layton (I don't like those web form thingys)

Dear (EI-EIO)

On behalf of Councillor Case Ootes, thank you for your email. I know that Case will be interested in your comments regarding the City Centre Airport. He too thinks that this is a good news story.

Regards,
Nancy MacDonald
for

Councillor Case Ootes

Brewguy · Post by **Brewguy** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:41 am

Flying Low wrote:...that ferry ride was the most expensive scheduled ferry service in the world based on distance travelled!

Get rid of the ferry entirely ... instead, have instructors on either side to give free pole vaulting lessons

loopy · Post by **loopy** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:45 am

Yyzdub, by avro I'm guessing you mean the Bae 146? I know she's a short field bird, but I don't think anyone is flying them in Canada anymore. Do they even build them now? You are right though, and those things are quiter than most of the turboprops.

They should go to decibal limitations anyway, not just a jet ban.

Hotel Tango · Post by **Hotel Tango** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:48 am

TorontoGuy wrote:When I googled "stop the island airport" here's the first return. This seems to be the active group trying to get rid of the island airport.

http://www.communityair.org/home.htm

Here is a quote from this web site

"Toronto's dream and extensive plans for a "Clean Green Waterfront" are threatened by a handful of private interests pushing a reckless scheme to ramp up commercial traffic at the Toronto Island Airport by more than 3000%.

The airport is a money-losing black hole for taxpayer subsidies. It now serves an average of less than 30 round-trip passengers per day (approximately 20,000 passengers in or out per year). With the airport losing more than $2.7-million in 2004, every roundtrip ticket is being subsidized nearly $275. The losses and per-ticket subsidies are much larger than this if the airport operation is allocated a portion of the costs for running the Port Authority's lavish headquarters operations"

STICK TO ONE POINT! Ok, it's losing money... bad! Bussiness is gonna increase and make money BAD!!!! Oh my god, my head hurts.

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:19 am

My god how people use stats incorrectly.

3,000%?

TorontoGuy · Post by **TorontoGuy** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:39 am

EI-EIO wrote: How many Torontonians on this board will do the same?

I just fired off a letter to the mayor.

DLB · Post by **DLB** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:41 am

Me too.

neophyte · Post by **neophyte** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:37 pm

It is my understanding that the Port Authority has plans for bigger ferries to accomodate increased traffic.

The locals don't want a fixed link but they aren't fighting a bigger (longer) ferry? I say keep on stretching the ferry until all the shipmates on the ferry have to do is open the gates on each end, the skipper won't have to touch the throttle at all.

Enough sarcasm from me.

N

TorontoGuy · Post by **TorontoGuy** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:41 pm

neophyte wrote:It is my understanding that the Port Authority has plans for bigger ferries to accomodate increased traffic.

The locals don't want a fixed link but they aren't fighting a bigger (longer) ferry? I say keep on stretching the ferry until all the shipmates on the ferry have to do is open the gates on each end, the skipper won't have to touch the throttle at all.

Enough sarcasm from me.

N

Great idea until the first argument with a lake freighter coming through the channel.

Brewguy · Post by **Brewguy** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:06 pm

Maybe we're looking at this all wrong.
Forget a bridge, and forget the ferry... we need a tunnel!

I live in Niagara, and we have a couple of tunnels that go under the Welland Canal.
The canal is wider than the gap between the lakeshore and island... and is probably deeper too.

ninjacrumb · Post by **ninjacrumb** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:58 pm

I sense another Skywalker debaucle. Or better City Express.

Hotel Tango · Post by **Hotel Tango** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:11 pm

nblythin wrote:Maybe we're looking at this all wrong.
Forget a bridge, and forget the ferry... we need a tunnel!

I live in Niagara, and we have a couple of tunnels that go under the Welland Canal.
The canal is wider than the gap between the lakeshore and island... and is probably deeper too.

I believe there is a tunnel. Rumor has it, it was dug a while ago and was almost complete until another election and a new mayor who killed it. When will people realize that cancelling and paying off the contractors for a project that will eventually just come right back is more costly than just letting it get built!

TorontoGuy · Post by **TorontoGuy** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:11 pm

A tunnel has been talked about for years, too. But it's such a narrow strip of water, most of the decline roadway has to be under land, not water, and there's not enough space on the island side before you run into the buildings and then the airfield.

They did start building a tunnel back in 1935. Here's the history.

http://www.torontoport.com/airport_history.asp

Interestingly, in the '30s, when both Malton and the island airport were built, it was the island facility that was meant to be the city's chief airfield.

teacher · Post by **teacher** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:37 pm

The big worry for the island residents and a few condo owners is that a bridge (or tunnel) means more planes and the increased likelihood that the airport will stick around for awhile. The reason for the push is just that, if they spend money on it and make it profitable it'll be harder to close.

EI-EIO · Post by **EI-EIO** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:53 pm

CYTZ is safer too - I remember when two light aircraft went down in a week. The first was on approach to YTZ and they were fished out (including dog) by the patrol boat. The second was to Buttonville I think and crashed just short of IBM Markham.

All of the alternatives involve overland approaches and Pickering will involve paving over a huge swath of green space - I have more issues with that!

Building a tunnel would be way more expensive but would remove objection from the shipping people who feared it would interfere with navigation. For a short dist like that "cutting, sinking sections and covering" is feasible.

Fred Flinstone · Post by **Fred Flinstone** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:48 pm

Hey teacher I thought you getting your IFR

jimmyjazz · Post by **jimmyjazz** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:04 am

Maybe we could just put a ramp on each side and everyone can just knevil over.

AOW · Post by **AOW** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:24 pm

TorontoGuy wrote:Air Canada just jumped on the band wagon.

"As Toronto City Center Airport's longest serving passenger airline, Air
Canada is pleased that the TPA has decided to improve access to the airport.
This decision will allow Air Canada, through its regional partner, Air Canada Jazz, to re-instate flights previously cancelled due to the lack of demand caused by inadequate access to the airport under the existing ferry service," said Ben Smith, Vice-President, Network Planning, Air Canada.
With the improved access to Toronto City Centre Airport, Air Canada will
pursue a substantial increase of frequencies between that airport and Ottawa as well as the reinstatement of flights to and from Montreal. The carrier will also examine the feasibility of additional flights between TCCA and other regional destinations in Canada and the U.S.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/arch ... c3362.html

I find this comment most interesting, because according to the rumours I have heard, JAZZ employees at CYTZ have been told that Feb. 28th is going to be their last day here. Apparantly the space leased to Deluce includes the current Jazz terminal, so they will have to stop operations, at least until they can find a new home on the island. It seems strange that they are so positive about their future, while they only seem to have one option for a new location on the island: the land belonging to the guy who ran City Express, who was put out of business by Air Ontario back in the 80s. It will be interesting to see how this pans out... which will win over V.P.'s heart: money or revenge...

AOW

bobcaygeon · Post by **bobcaygeon** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:29 am

air canada doesn't give a shit about the island!! So neither does jazz cause Ac tells Jazz where to fly and pays them at set fee no matter the load.
I think AC would love to see the island close and by increasing flites there it will cause the treehuggers to get even more vocal and force Miller into more action !!!!!

C-FABH · Post by **C-FABH** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:38 am

AOW wrote:I find this comment most interesting, because according to the rumours I have heard, JAZZ employees at CYTZ have been told that Feb. 28th is going to be their last day here. Apparantly the space leased to Deluce includes the current Jazz terminal, so they will have to stop operations, at least until they can find a new home on the island.

My interesting theory: Jazz will be moving to the old terminal, and Esso vacating to a temporary shelter next-door. There were a few backhoes next to Esso the other day, so I'm just putting two and two together.