Canada - Country of Choice

[marktheone]

OK Chantal, it's true for sure.

[monkeyspankmasterflex]

Chantal, perhaps you could change your username to something that is not gender specific. That way those meanies will never know it's you.

[Chantal]

monkey, I don't wish to ruin this thread so I'm going to refrain from name calling or going off topic. Thanks for the advice but i'll have to think about it

[monkeyspankmasterflex]

I think you've already gone off-topic and resorted to name calling. Remember the first rule in flight club is that there aren't any rules.

[cyyz]

Other ethnic groups, without naming them, will never integrate. Not in Britain, France or Canada.
Period.
Bob

Sorta, they will in their own way, they'll make our land "their land."

Wonder where they'll move to next?

[cyyz]

http://www.mnforsustain.org/pop_england ... owne_a.htm

Unfortunately for the government, more and more people on both the Left and the Right are becoming open-minded on the problems of the government's policy of actively encouraging mass immigration. The pro-immigrationists trusty tactic of suppressing all inconvenient truth and debate by denouncing all critics as racist, fascist or xenophobic just isn’t working: there are too many intellectually honest people who can see that baseless insults aren’t answers to real problems.

And please read the rest of the article... So so true....

1. Mass immigration hugely exacerbates the housing crisis. When Migration Watch produced a report last week saying that levels of immigration would require 1.8 million extra homes by 2021, the government threw insults, said the figures were plucked out of thin air and refused to produce its own forecasts. In fact, Migration Watch simply used the government's own housing methodology, and the Housebuilders Federation says immigration is a leading driver in the demand for new housing. The Office of the Deputy Prime Minister, responsible for housing, is taking away the rights of communities to refuse to have housing imposed on them, and yet refuses to admit that there is any connection between immigration and housing demand. The amount of housing needed is so vast that it will be impossible for the government to build its way out of this crisis. Like importing an HIV epidemic from Africa, this is an issue that won t go away.

2. Britain is already overcrowded: it is one of the most densely populated islands in the world; twice as densely populated as France and eight times as densely populated as America ―and increasing population density damages quality of life. Already, we can t find space for new airports, roads, prisons and asylum centres. It is not just millions of new houses, but the new infrastructure of roads, hospitals, schools, water supplies and other utilities. Our public transport system is ridiculously overstretched and roads are excessively congested. The government has embarked on a programme of population growth through immigration that will push the population up from 60 million to 66 million by 2031 but it refuses even to talk about the consequences of this.

3. Mass immigration -as opposed to limited immigration of skilled workers to meet shortages- damages the employment prospects of those already here, particularly the unskilled. The Home Office commissioned an economic study on the impact of immigration, which found that an increase in immigration amounting to 1 per cent of the non-immigrant population would lead to an increase of 0.18 percentage points in the non-immigrant unemployment rate. However, in an extraordinary act of politically correct immigration denial, the immigration minister Beverley Hughes issued a press release saying, ‘The research shows that it is simply not true that migrants “take the jobs” of the existing work force’.

However, London, where most immigrants come, has become the unemployment black spot of Britain, with 7 per cent joblessness, higher than any region of the UK. There is such a large pool of cheap labour that, for the first time ever, national chains such as McDonald s and Burger King are no longer paying their highest rates in central London. Shop shelf-fillers now earn 10 per cent less in London than the average for the rest of the country. The world s leading expert on the economics of migration, Professor George Borjas of Harvard University, complains that everyone is happy to accept that increasing labour supply reduces wages in all circumstances except when it comes to immigration, when they enter denial.

4. Imposing mass immigration on a society that doesn’t want it damages relations between the communities that are already here. If people are opposed to the immigration policy, they are likely to be opposed to the people it brings in and will often confuse immigrants with those born here. The old wisdom that a firm but fair immigration policy is essential for good race relations has been forgotten by the government. Refusing to address legitimate concerns forces voters into the hands of extremist parties such as the British National party.

5. Mass immigration increases inequality in society by increasing the wealth of those who employ immigrants (who tend already to be rich) and reducing that of those who compete with them (who tend to be poor). The US government has estimated that half the rise in income inequality in the US is due to mass immigration.

6. Mass immigration is no solution to an ageing society, because immigrants grow old at just the same pace as non-immigrants. One of the country's top pension experts, Professor David Miles, said that trying to solve the pension crisis by importing more people is “madness”.

7. Mass migration of unskilled workers promotes low-skilled, low-wage industries and reduces economic productivity. Alan Greenspan told the Senate earlier this year that labour shortages in the US in the last century, when immigration was very low, forced companies to innovate and was the main reason why productivity in the US overtook that of Europe. Importing unskilled labour did nothing to save the textile mills of the north of England, and this disastrous policy has left behind impoverished, bitterly divided communities.

8. Much if not most of the supposedly temporary migration such as student visas, holiday working visas and seasonal agricultural workers is permanent because the dream of life in the West is so powerful for so many from the poor parts of the world. The government has no controls to ensure that those it invites in actually leave.

9. White flight is ghettoising Britain’s cities and fragmenting communities. A totally unpublicised report commissioned by the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister last year found that white flight was now a leading cause of internal migration in the UK. In London as a whole, white Britons account for just 60 per cent of the population, and for fewer than half the population in six London boroughs. Mass immigration from the Third World to the cities exacerbates white flight, but the government refuses to face up to the consequences. Professor Robert Putnam, author of the celebrated Bowling Alone, which is about the decline of community spirit in the US, has found that the more ethnically diverse a population, the less sense of community there is.

[cyyz]

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Chron ... enkins.htm

In the 1970’s, Leicester became a principal destination for South Asian migrants, particularly those kicked out of Uganda by the tyrannical Idi Amin. To much local anger, an Asian community became rooted here and grew rapidly, Still, resentment cooled when the great majority of the Asians turned out to be hard-working, family-oriented people who consistently acted like the best stereotypes of white Middle England. Asian families became popular when they took over corner stores and newspaper shops that would otherwise have died and thereby kept alive a great many shopping streets and commercial centers. By the 1990’s, significant anti-Asian racism was all but dead,

British police arrested 17 Leicester Muslims, charging them with being activists for the global terrorist network Al Qaeda. Nor were these small fry

For some years, Leicester’s Islamic community has been home to a major group of Al Qaeda recruiters and organizers. Many were Algerian, and they formed an integral part of the network that organized the September 11 attacks

The Observer was damning with regard to police and intelligence neglect of these very dangerous groups, a neglect that was largely political. Police and governments wanted to avoid inflaming Muslim organizations and being accused of civil-rights violations. Nobody wanted to face the wrath of outraged Muslim “community leaders” protesting arrests

One reason integration has worked so relatively well in Leicester is that the great bulk of the nonwhite communities belong to religious groups that have no particular grievance against British or Western culture. They want nothing more than to be left alone to live in peace and good order and to make as good a living as they can. This is clearly true of Hindus and Sikhs, both of whom have potent historical and political grounds for opposing Muslim extremism. The reason Sikhs survive at all is that their ancestors simply became too tough for their Muslim neighbors to annihilate.

Muslim immigrants in Europe also largely seem to be concerned with living their lives in peace, but Muslims differ substantially from other traditions in that modern Islam has a radical wing that is utterly opposed to every aspect of Western culture and prepared to fight savagely to achieve its goals. The point may sound obvious, but it is one we neglect at our peril. As a community, Muslims in the West are simply different from other ethnic and religious groups, since they contain deeply sinister and well-organized elements who have to be sought out and destroyed. The worst mistake Westerners could make would be to ignore radical Islamic activism through oversensitivity to the threat of giving offense on the grounds of race or religion. Pretending that everyone is living happily side by side in merry multicultural Britain is fine as public relations, so long as preserving that image does not force the authorities to hold off on vital investigations into groups that threaten the lives of thousands of people

[Dust Devil]

RIGHT HERE

your a jerk

[just clearing the trees]

cyyz -- OK, really, what is your point? First you post an essay by a Minnesotan about mass immigration in Britain--a topic unrelated to the original post. Then follow that up with an American-styled fear-mongering write-up telling us that if we let immigrants in, Muslims will kill us all. Exactly what is the point? How does any of this relate to the original post and it's concern that people that retain their culture when they come to Canada, are stripping born Canadians of their rights and freedoms?

[scotothedoublet]

Exactly what is the point?

That there are alot of insecure morons out there.

[marktheone]

It's a fact that some immigrant populations do not try, or want, to become part of the population that they move to. Why then do we condone this? It boils down to building a synagogue and a mosk across the road from each other. It's not going to happen. We need to quit living in a dream world of political correctness and realize that cultures are different and that is not going to change for quite some time yet. It's that simple. And it's proven. And if that is politically incorrect then I hang my farkin head.

[. .]

i think it's great that many cultures don't try to become the canadian dream. My favorite part of toronto isn't the hockey hall of fame, the CN tower, or ontario place. I love china town, I love driving down bloor and trying to discover some great new place for thai, or curry. I love shopping at a korean market and finding some cool fruit I've never seen before. I love going into a some middle eastern place for a falafel. I'm not offended that signs in some of their stores aren't in english. I'm not offended that the grandmother in the back can't speak english. I don't take that as a treat to my identity as a canadian. I don't feel that this is somehow infringing on my rights. If I don't like it I can always head down to McDonalds and have some revolting american burger.

[cyyz]

If I don't like it I can always head down to McDonalds and have some revolting american burger.

Or you could not go there, and have 77,000 canadians lose their jobs and they could all go on welfare and you could pay them that way. =)

and the beef is Canadian AAA beef.. but, so what if a bunch of redneck conservative voting farmers lose their jobs, farms and homes.. =)

[cyyz]

yadi-dadi-yaddi -daddi.. point... blah.. blah... are stripping born Canadians of their rights and freedoms?

I thought we went off on a tangent long ago, about page 2... Think cat and then 6 other posters mentioned Europe and it's "great immigration policy" didn't see you nagging about them..

Then chantal commented Britain has coke, desky called her an idiot, all very very related to the original topic at hand I must say.... So I added my 2 cents to the conversation...

and now I'm adding another 2 cents to the conversation which don't relate to the original topic again, thanks to you, so when you post another "what's your point" no more replies for you because "what's your point" in asking whats my point..

and the very very first post wasn't about "BORN" canadians, and obviously you missed the "big bold 1970" comment in my posts, no one cares about immigration as long as you aren't a thorn in everyones side....

That's what the original post was about, immigrants of the past didn't have a problem with Christmas or Valentines day or Easter, but nowadays they've come to their new land most of them from 3rd world dictatorial regimes and the first thing out of their "grateful" mouths is "yo, I don't like that christmas stuff" instead of "hi, thanks for letting me in."

[bumffs]

Maybe if we were to send back some of those malcontents after they have had a taste of freedom ,the Places that they excreted from would improve.
If we only let the smart ones stay here we are dooming the ones left behind to be forever backwards.
The big schools of the West were opened to the underprivilaged of the world as competion to the very generous opening of big schools in the soviet block,by doing this the end result has been the complete opposite of what was intended by both sides instead of building bridges and understanding it has created the foot soldiers of WW3.

[just clearing the trees]

If I don't like it I can always head down to McDonalds and have some revolting american burger.

Or you could not go there, and have 77,000 canadians lose their jobs and they could all go on welfare and you could pay them that way. =)

and the beef is Canadian AAA beef.. but, so what if a bunch of redneck conservative voting farmers lose their jobs, farms and homes.. =)

It's unbelievable how each of your posts can be more ridiculous than the last.

Endless, you better stop thinking about your health and start eating at MacDonalds, because apparently the fate of the Canadian beef industry and the MacDonalds corporation are in your hands!

but nowadays they've come to their new land most of them from 3rd world dictatorial regimes and the first thing out of their "grateful" mouths is "yo, I don't like that christmas stuff" instead of "hi, thanks for letting me in."

Where are you getting this information? You really should stop trying to pass off your opinion as fact. It doesn't provide your arguments with any solid base whatsoever and you just look more ignorant with each post.

[cyyz]

Endless, you better stop thinking about your health and start eating at MacDonalds, because apparently the fate of the Canadian beef industry and the MacDonalds corporation are in your hands!

Where are you getting this information? You really should stop trying to pass off your opinion as fact. It doesn't provide your arguments with any solid base whatsoever and you just look more ignorant with each post.

Last time I checked in Canada we valued the "individual." But no you're right, endless is just another mouse in this wheel.. =) He doesn't matter at all.. =P

Lets see, 1st world, US, France, UK, Canada, Germany, Sweden, and maybe a few others, Australia, Austria, Switzerland, the rest are 3rd world... And last time I checked "the facts" I think we get maybe maybe 1-100 immigrants from each of the above, and last time I checked most of our "talent" went to the US anyways... So yes, everyone else is from a 3rd world country... Sorry to break your heart kid-doh...

But are you saying something is wrong with the 3rd world people comming here that you take offense to them being from crappier countries?? Well if their lands are so great, maybe you'd like to leave and go live wherever they're comming from...

[just clearing the trees]

OK, what are you talking about now? I'm really not sure, you've completely confused me now. I have no idea where that came from.

All I'm trying to find out from you is this: Why do you feel threatened by people from other cultures, and specifically, what rights of yours are they infringing upon by moving to this country and holding on to their culture? That's all I want to know. So far, the only thing that I've been able to learn from your posts is that you don't like them because they're different than you.

[cyyz]

Why do you feel threatened by people from other cultures, and specifically, what rights of yours are they infringing upon by moving to this country and holding on to their culture? That's all I want to know. So far, the only thing that I've been able to learn from your posts is that you don't like them because they're different than you.

I'm not, I don't care if they come, hell houses are going up in price in brampton by 10-20% because of it...

[Springbok]

CYYZ,

Please give me your definition of a First World country.

[cyyz]

CYYZ,

Please give me your definition of a First World country.

Pre-USSR times, West+ allies,

2nd world was USSR and allies

3rd world everyone else...

That's not my definition, I'm a plagarist...

[Springbok]

I write under correction but are 1 st World countries not those nations that have large developed economies and industrial development that makes them relatively self sufficient. Also, Nuclear capability used to be a criteria.

I have been out of international political studies for a while so I might be wrong.

Is Australia not 1 st world? SA and Israel were also refered to as 1st world a couple of moons ago.

Where are the young students bursting with their knowledge? Help out here. I could`nt be bothered to surf right now.

[Chantal]

I think Now is the time to be posting on immigration in Canada and cyyz has pointed out some useful information. It is his right to learn about it and to say what he thinks. Sounds like, Canada shouldn't have a policy of mass immigration because of all the problems in other countries, and especially, while there is a War going on. How do we know rich terrorists are not buying their way into Canada? And the Government could do a better job trying to save Canadians from those problems he mentioned like unemployment and housing. Don't mind me if I start babbling here just want to throw this out there and see what some think. (except not deskgo or endless)

Actually, I been hearing stuff about Education in other countries, like some where secondary school only goes up to Grade nine and then it becomes more specialized. Probably kids can reach their goals/degrees faster that way. I figure they get their high school diplomas sooner too.
I figure some kids would learn a trade instead of struggling all the way to Grade 12 and then they would become skilled and get jobs. How about if the Government could lower tuition and help pay for some programs like Medicine and Nursing, that way we could get more doctors and nurses here. What do you think?

[Jet Dog]

some ppl don't get it, and won't till its too late, and then rightly soo

[cyyz]

I write under correction but are 1 st World countries not those nations that have large developed economies and industrial development that makes them relatively self sufficient. Also, Nuclear capability used to be a criteria.

I have been out of international political studies for a while so I might be wrong.

Is Australia not 1 st world? SA and Israel were also refered to as 1st world a couple of moons ago.

Where are the young students bursting with their knowledge? Help out here. I could`nt be bothered to surf right now.

*hung over*

Yah, Aussies are 1st world, Isreal by default and SA, sure why not...

Just bring over more Orientals, and I'll be happy...