Re: Westjet ad.
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:29 pm
That’s meant for retirement. Imagine not having to crack into your retirement on a regular basis just to survive....
That’s meant for retirement. Imagine not having to crack into your retirement on a regular basis just to survive....
I am at another LCC carrier in Canada. We were designed to compete with WS. On the 1st I get a pay advance of about $4100 which is higher after CPP and EI are done (next month) and my pay cheque on the 17th is for about $5,000 if I don't do any OT (last few months I whored myself out about so it will be closer to $8-10,000). I pay 10% into our version of the ESP (33% match) and put in 7.5% into my pension which the corp adds 175% of my contributions. I don't pay my mortgages with my T4. It's with what goes in to my bank.DropTanks wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:09 pmUmmmmm no it’s not all meant for retirement. 20% matched is for retirement? No. Nobody puts 40% away for retirement. That just shows the exact wrong mentality about ESP. We HAVE NO RETIREMENT at WJ. We do have a cluster-fuckd method of pay though. You gotta gather more than like 5 brain cels to figure out that part of your ESP is for you to use as you wish. I’m not saying it’s awesome to be a senior captain here and have $1600 deposited into your account. But FFS it’s not the whole story. This guys netting $10k-$11k per month including ESP and per diems. And that’s while paying EI and CPP premiums at the start of the year.Yycjetdriver wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:29 pmThat’s meant for retirement. Imagine not having to crack into your retirement on a regular basis just to survive....
It does NOT make me happy when I see this.Hudson90 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:44 pmflashheart wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:19 pm DaveP,
I'll give you a qualitative statistic about WJ.
When I do run into WJ crew, they generally look bagged, are carrying enough bags that they look like they are part of some sort of caravan and are generally found sitting around airports killing time thanks to what I assume is unproductive flying.
Without proper protections, this is the result.
Not saying AC is as good as it should be, WJ is inevitably behind due to the lack of overseas flying which naturally is productive.
You guys can chase T4s all you want but when I see friends of mine at WJ that have gained weight and have aged 10 years in the span of 3 years I can tell you that my observation is that you guys are way way behind.
If you are 23, you can tolerate this for a while but it is not sustainable in my opinion. Look at US carriers, some that are entirely domestic and look at their schedules. They not only make more but work way less thanks to proper scheduling protections. But most importantly my friends at those companies don't look like crap.
Hi flasheart,
First and for most I’m not speaking for DaveP. It’s always nice to view an outside prospective . Ive been with WJ for 13 years. I’ve commuted from YHZ and YJT. I remember when I lost my job flying for an east coast airline. It was WestJet and DaveP that reached out giving me an opportunity to join the team. I had a few friends along the way to help,thanks to my dear friend K. Holland’s. WestJet was very open to commuters back then. All that was asked from us was to be professional and make our best effort to arrive at work on time. Not much to ask. I’ve never complained about commuting. It’s my responsibility. As for WestJet pilots looking like bags of shit! We all age differently. I’m not sure I really understand your motives there. We have a (CA) collective agreement now with really great adds. Nothing is perfect. I’m really excited for the future. Not just for WJ but for everyone that makes a place in their career. Trust me, I could have been worse off. I believe between WJ and ALPA Pilots today! We’re moving in the right direction to making a career here at WJ.
Cheers
Can you confirm that WJ HR and AC HR talk to each other how many WJ pilots come over to AC per year? Is that why the encore hiring has slowed at AC? I know atleast 10 encore pilots with applications at AC within the past 3 months...im betting there are more.DaveP wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:39 am Hi
To again, simply quote before you start down the slag path:
“It's only gonna get worse with flow being reduced and all the folk leaving for AC”
If it’s spin then where are the numbers from Encore?
If you can’t post facts then I dare say the pot is calling the kettle black with reference to spin? Or koolaid or whatever you want to call it.
Scheduling satisfaction at Encore was 88 percent (capt/fo) with 12 days off as an average in YYC and 87/86 percent in YYZ with 12 days off for Capt and 17 average days off for FO’s.
I went back and validated my resignation list and it doesn’t support what Tail or Guilden claim.
Cheers
K.Adams wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:13 amCan you confirm that WJ HR and AC HR talk to each other how many WJ pilots come over to AC per year? Is that why the encore hiring has slowed at AC? I know atleast 10 encore pilots with applications at AC within the past 3 months...im betting there are more.DaveP wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:39 am Hi
To again, simply quote before you start down the slag path:
“It's only gonna get worse with flow being reduced and all the folk leaving for AC”
If it’s spin then where are the numbers from Encore?
If you can’t post facts then I dare say the pot is calling the kettle black with reference to spin? Or koolaid or whatever you want to call it.
Scheduling satisfaction at Encore was 88 percent (capt/fo) with 12 days off as an average in YYC and 87/86 percent in YYZ with 12 days off for Capt and 17 average days off for FO’s.
I went back and validated my resignation list and it doesn’t support what Tail or Guilden claim.
Cheers
Lagging - yes. Commitment - not so.
Either you are bullshitting or you are sharing privileged information.doiwannabeapilot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:44 am Why would AC hr talk to WJ hr ???
WJ: please stop hiring our pilots.
AC: Oh, sorry about that. Ok.
WJ: thanks
I'll check on that bet; and raise you.
prior to 90 days ago, there were 11 or more Encore pilots with resumes at AC, AT AND SWG.
jaw dropping !!!!!
The numbers you used are comical. Like things drastically changed 90 days ago; and that 10 applications is a dramatic number.
You make $1500 per paycheck after 4 years at Westjet??
We’re all in the same boat, Captains here also taking home that same amount, some with several years in the left seat. Once you contribute the 20%, give the tax man his chunk, pay for your benefits and then pay out the rest of the hands in the pot, a 10,000$ or more gross pay cheque quickly turns into 1500$ Net deposit.