Porter Airlines shifts restart of flights date to June 29

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This has more or less been debunked with what was the experiment done in Sweden. Nothing closed, minor distancing and their bell curve looks the same if not better than many countries who shut down.

One could wonder if perhaps that's because they have a health care system that works.

I refuse to use the USA as any sort of metric for this virus. Half the country is uninsured and underemployed. They can't afford to go to the hospital, and they can't afford to take days off from work. It is a disaster waiting to happen, and not a realistic example of the rest of the planet.

Sorry for the exaggeration in numbers, but from my previous posts, the number doesn't matter.

If we do decide to open up. I am all for it since I stand to benefit.

And whether 10k ppl die, or 1 person dies because of it...

All I'm asking is for all of us to recognize that we pushed them to their deaths.

Now I'm not saying we pay the victims reparations or anything like that. Once things open up, and we get the total # of deaths due to opening up. I won't shed tears over them, but I will admit that what we did was completely self serving @ the expense of others. Give these people recognition for their forced sacrifice.

[skybluetrek]

This has more or less been debunked with what was the experiment done in Sweden. Nothing closed, minor distancing and their bell curve looks the same if not better than many countries who shut down.

One could wonder if perhaps that's because they have a health care system that works.

I refuse to use the USA as any sort of metric for this virus. Half the country is uninsured and underemployed. They can't afford to go to the hospital, and they can't afford to take days off from work. It is a disaster waiting to happen, and not a realistic example of the rest of the planet.

Sorry for the exaggeration in numbers, but from my previous posts, the number doesn't matter.

If we do decide to open up. I am all for it since I stand to benefit.

And whether 10k ppl die, or 1 person dies because of it...

All I'm asking is for all of us to recognize that we pushed them to their deaths.

Now I'm not saying we pay the victims reparations or anything like that. Once things open up, and we get the total # of deaths due to opening up. I won't shed tears over them, but I will admit that what we did was completely self serving @ the expense of others. Give these people recognition for their forced sacrifice.

As self serving at the expense of others as when you turn on your car and contribute to the deaths of many due to climate change , or when you buy some stupid shit made half way across the world in a toxic factory by some under paid person, or when you buy those porkchops you like so much and contribute to the contamination of the creek adjacent to the pig farm from where then a kid drinks water and develops cancer... It's endless. I get it, some people will dye, that was going to be the case anyhow. I guess to some extent we push a lot of people to their deaths on a daily basis? Aren't the broad consequences of a lockdown also pushing a lot of people to their deaths?

It's time to stop enforcing more restrictions, that's not the kind of democracy I want to live in.

[Hellocopter]

As self serving at the expense of others as when you turn on your car and contribute to the deaths of many due to climate change , or when you buy some stupid shit made half way across the world in a toxic factory by some under paid person, or when you buy those porkchops you like so much and contribute to the contamination of the creek adjacent to the pig farm from where then a kid drinks water and develops cancer... It's endless. I get it, some people will dye, that was going to be the case anyhow. I guess to some extent we push a lot of people to their deaths on a daily basis? Aren't the broad consequences of a lockdown also pushing a lot of people to their deaths?

It's time to stop enforcing more restrictions, that's not the kind of democracy I want to live in.

I usually just lurk these forums, and the only reason I'm posting now is because of the nasty taste in my mouth after the last few weeks of reading so many posts about how ridiculous it is to continue to lock down over such a few deaths...

In another thread, a poster referred it to just a "small cut"

Now, I get it. We are all frustrated, and they are just trying to minimize the impact of deaths in order to help elevate their argument.

The problem is, you're all preaching to the choir. We all want to go back to work.

But when you trivialize deaths in order to help fuel your argument, on the surface of it.... it doesn't seem that bad....until u start to think about it

Luckily, no one I love has died from covid, but if I did, I would build up a really bad impression of all pilots after browsing these forums.

It almost feels like the equivalent of a bunch of pilots protesting @ a funeral of someone that died from covid.

I'm not saying to change your views on opening up. Since I too want borders to open up. But let's be a little more tactful?

[FL320]

As self serving at the expense of others as when you turn on your car and contribute to the deaths of many due to climate change , or when you buy some stupid shit made half way across the world in a toxic factory by some under paid person, or when you buy those porkchops you like so much and contribute to the contamination of the creek adjacent to the pig farm from where then a kid drinks water and develops cancer... It's endless. I get it, some people will dye, that was going to be the case anyhow. I guess to some extent we push a lot of people to their deaths on a daily basis? Aren't the broad consequences of a lockdown also pushing a lot of people to their deaths?

It's time to stop enforcing more restrictions, that's not the kind of democracy I want to live in.

I usually just lurk these forums, and the only reason I'm posting now is because of the nasty taste in my mouth after the last few weeks of reading so many posts about how ridiculous it is to continue to lock down over such a few deaths...

In another thread, a poster referred it to just a "small cut"

Now, I get it. We are all frustrated, and they are just trying to minimize the impact of deaths in order to help elevate their argument.

The problem is, you're all preaching to the choir. We all want to go back to work.

But when you trivialize deaths in order to help fuel your argument, on the surface of it.... it doesn't seem that bad....until u start to think about it

Luckily, no one I love has died from covid, but if I did, I would build up a really bad impression of all pilots after browsing these forums.

It almost feels like the equivalent of a bunch of pilots protesting @ a funeral of someone that died from covid.

I'm not saying to change your views on opening up. Since I too want borders to open up. But let's be a little more tactful?

But I know a pilot who died because of the psychological collateral effect of the covid; of course we don’t talk about it..

[doiwannabeapilot]

Fear monger much ?

over the last 5 years,

per year in Canada

12000 accidental deaths (car accidents & other)
80000 cancer
5000 due to breast cancer alone
6000 - 8000 flu
4000 suicides

*** i guarantee 95 % of the population doesn't know those #s.....i didn't. ***



in 2019 so far:
about 9000 due to covid
approx 8000 of those in the 80+ category !!! WHY IS THAT NOT REEMPHASIZED DAILY ?

The media should report this year #'s in the former categories DAILY.

how many suicides this year ???
not gonna be 4000. a lil higher. 1.5x 2x 3x ?

how many new alcoholics, drug addicts this year ?

A lot of math..........that's what this is all about right......the math, the statistics, curve etc.

[mbav8r]

Fear monger much ?

over the last 5 years,

per year in Canada

12000 accidental deaths (car accidents & other)
80000 cancer
5000 due to breast cancer alone
6000 - 8000 flu
4000 suicides

*** i guarantee 95 % of the population doesn't know those #s.....i didn't. ***



in 2019 so far:
about 9000 due to covid
approx 8000 of those in the 80+ category !!! WHY IS THAT NOT REEMPHASIZED DAILY ?

The media should report this year #'s in the former categories DAILY.

how many suicides this year ???
not gonna be 4000. a lil higher. 1.5x 2x 3x ?

how many new alcoholics, drug addicts this year ?

A lot of math..........that's what this is all about right......the math, the statistics, curve etc.

Oh for @#$! sakes, all those deaths are still going to happen, what you left out is that the corona related deaths are what happened WITH strong measures, and the US is what happens with no real measures in place.
I’m not a fan, in fact I am hoping for an election this fall, to hopefully rid ourselfs of this friggen idiot but I think any government would have done what was done, it’s why no other party fought against the measures, only the little hidden agenda fuckface tried to insert.
The countries that essentially did nothing or were in some type of denial all have very similar deaths per million, which says a lot about this virus.

[doiwannabeapilot]

I am just saying that statistically that the math does not lie; that this may be slightly overblown.
I certainly don't want to get it nor my parents or anyone i know. It's a terrible virus.

Another viewpoint would be:
you're right it's a terrible virus to get. So let's go back to a full shutdown; until we have the case load in double digits daily nationally.
Let's close all aviation until we hit those numbers. Why not. Let's do it.

I never said no measures or denial.
At least I agree with you wholeheartedly on the idiot. Absolutely. 100%

[dhc#]

Porter Airlines extends service restart to Dec. 15

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/p ... 09625.html

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Porter Airlines extends service restart to Dec. 15

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/p ... 09625.html

Dec 15 ............... 2021.

[altiplano]

Porter has to get something going, or they aren't coming back at all... or at least the public left that remember them are going to lose what little faith they may have left.

I imagine forward bookings are nil at this point.

I certainly wouldn't be planning my Christmas flight home to wherever from Toronto with any faith that it will run at this point.

[rudder]

Porter has to get something going, or they aren't coming back at all... or at least the public left that remember them are going to lose what little faith they may have left.

I imagine forward bookings are nil at this point.

I certainly wouldn't be planning my Christmas flight home to wherever from Toronto with any faith that it will run at this point.

Yup. Who would be stupid enough to book their Xmas 2020 travel on a company that has extended their flight cancelation window 5 times?

Book WJ or AC.

[altiplano]

Yup. Who would be stupid enough to book their Xmas 2020 travel on a company that has extended their flight cancelation window 5 times?

Book WJ or AC.

Right? I just looked up a couple flights in December, Porter vs. AC, literally $1 difference.

I know people are motivated by price, but I don't think $1 is going to make enough of a difference for anyone to risk it.

[Old fella]

Yup. Who would be stupid enough to book their Xmas 2020 travel on a company that has extended their flight cancelation window 5 times?

Book WJ or AC.

Right? I just looked up a couple flights in December, Porter vs. AC, literally $1 difference.

I know people are motivated by price, but I don't think $1 is going to make enough of a difference for anyone to risk it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/westjet-cuts-1.5761526

Well count WJ out for the most part down our way. Not surprising of course because of this Atlantic bubble, I mean who wants to go anywhere outside the bubble if upon return 14 day isolation is required and it is. I can ramble on with some of the silliness the Provinces introduced down here, Provinces carry a lot of weight more so than Feds in dealing with this pandemic as much of the issues fall within their respective jurisdictions. The city of Moncton in zone 5 went to orange from yellow due to an outbreak of Covid-19 at a senior complex that had questionable standards and protocols- same place was called out earlier. Barbershop , spa salons, gyms, hair dresser spots are required to shut down. Bars and such places remain open though. As one common-tater pointed out “ I can go the the local strip joint have a few beers taking in the surroundings but I can’t get a hair cut “

Go figure.

[altiplano]

Still no plan...

[Inverted2]

I hate to say it but I think Porter is done. This Wu Flu crap is going to continue into 2021 and there is no way an airline can sustain a 1+ year shutdown. The planes will need a ton of maintenance if they don’t fly for a year and even if employees are laid off that’s a huge expense. Not trying to be the bearer of bad news; all other airlines in Canada are in big trouble too.

[Old fella]

I hate to say it but I think Porter is done. This Wu Flu crap is going to continue into 2021 and there is no way an airline can sustain a 1+ year shutdown. The planes will need a ton of maintenance if they don’t fly for a year and even if employees are laid off that’s a huge expense. Not trying to be the bearer of bad news; all other airlines in Canada are in big trouble too.

Man, it’s gonna get ugly. Don’t forget the airports some of whom are in dire straights here in Maritimes. I wouldn’t be surprised if there will be operational closures or severe reduction in operating hours, no winter maintenance when closed and specific runway closures indefinitely. Flowing from this Nav Can won’t maintain navigation facilities aka ILS systems and the like, a genuine snowball affect. Either that or Federal Government aka Transport Canada will have to get involved to inject money through the NAS. Majority are run by commissions or airport authorities and there is simple no revenue coming in.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Oh boy, the negativity is strong here.

It’s not surprising... avCanada has a reputation for being a circle jerk of sadness and anger.

Overlord Trudeau will throw billions of dollars at the airlines and all will be well as soon as we have a vaccine and we get enough people inoculated/vaccinated.

[Inverted2]

Not being negative. Being realistic. Vaccines could be a year or more away and their effectiveness is yet to be determined. I predict several of our nations airlines will be in bankruptcy protection or all out shuttered by spring.

[Old fella]

I would argue it will be a 2022-23 time frame before you see any kind of stability in the airline/leisure/travel industry. What those industries and participants will look like from there is a good guess.

[a2btrail]

Morning all,

Has anyone over at Porter heard of any potential Nov recurrent training for the company's projected floating operation restart in Dec? Has the company issued any new news?

#SaveCanadianAviation

[dhc#]

Re-start postponed....yet again into Q1/21

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... um=twitter

[smooth]

Well said

The current mindset is entitlement, we're so arrogant we believe we can save the world from this pandemonium circus. What about the many more that will dye because of starvation thanks to the economical downturn, or the grandmas dying alone cause nobody visits them anymore, or the increased domestic violence, Etc, Etc, Etc. Let alone our even more fucked up immune system after all this sanitation.

It's not about the willingness to dye for you or anyone, it's about embracing death in the many forms/chances. We would have chosen a different career if contemplating and managing the risk of dying wasn't something we're willing to do.

Careful there, remember human factors class? resignation is one of the 5 hazardous attitudes.

For real though, you can't expect governments around the world to not even TRY to fix the pandemic can you?

What our government did initially, imo was correct.

Hospitals were overflowing, there was too many unknowns still regrading the virus. So we shut down. That's not arrogance. It's good decision making.

The government then provided much needed support with CEWS and CERB. Who's starving?

I figured old people would prefer to not catch covid and live but be quarantined, than to see their grandkids and then die? Besides, there are work arounds. I remember reading an article about a guy visiting his grandma by standing beside a window @ the senior home.

Domestic violence? If being locked together with the person you supposedly love and married resulted in you deciding to beat them up... You surely can't pin that on covid...

If wearing a mask and washing hands a bit more resulted in the collapse of our immune system, then we as a species deserve to go extinct.



Now if you want to complain about our government regarding their decisions after June/July. Fine, many things can be said about them there.


Again, I don't care about your stance regarding the shut down. If you want to go with herd immunity and kill off millions. Go right ahead. But don't brush off their deaths as just a number.

Say it with pride.

To quote Lord Farquaad from Shrek.

Some of you may die, and that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

As long as you take that stance, I have no issue.

Because the only thing worse than being evil. Is to be evil while masquerading as good.

[2R]

Looking forward to being able to go to hog town again , get some hog knuckles , wash them down with Steam Whistle or Blue and go to a Show . That Newfie show was fun . Good times are coming , Pilot shortage by next December

[skybluetrek]

Looking forward to being able to go to hog town again , get some hog knuckles , wash them down with Steam Whistle or Blue and go to a Show . That Newfie show was fun . Good times are coming , Pilot shortage by next December

[The Raven]

So what’s the latest about restarting operations? February, spring, summer? Anyone know?