Get Ready Airline Workers to be Forcibly Vaccinated

[montado]

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/englan ... 021-08-06/

35 percent of hospitalization in the UK is now vaccinated people. And looks like the science is saying vaccinated people spread just as much covid as the vaccinated. Guess this means, masks forever!

Soon the vaccinated will over take the unvaccinated in hospitalizations. Only a matter of time.

PHE said that of confirmed Delta cases that had ended up hospitalised since July 19, 55.1% were unvaccinated, while 34.9% had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. Nearly 75% of the British population has had two vaccine doses, and PHE said that "as more of the population gets vaccinated, we will see a higher relative percentage of vaccinated people in hospital".

[photofly]

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/englan ... 021-08-06/

35 percent of hospitalization in the UK is now vaccinated people. And looks like the science is saying vaccinated people spread just as much covid as the vaccinated. Guess this means, masks forever!

If that turns out to be true, that would be very bad news; I'm not sure why you're so gleefully happy about it.

[montado]

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/englan ... 021-08-06/

35 percent of hospitalization in the UK is now vaccinated people. And looks like the science is saying vaccinated people spread just as much covid as the vaccinated. Guess this means, masks forever!

If that turns out to be true, that would be very bad news; I'm not sure why you're so gleefully happy about it.

I'm laughing because I think the world is going full retard.

We have MDs on Twitter posting worst case scenario data. When compared to the flu covid is not even worse than the flu.
Infact a bunch of kids get the flu vaccine yet with no covid vaccine for kids just as many kids die of the flu. Now look how people reply to this shit! You can only laugh at how idiotic this is! The same idiots exist on avcan... Remember they come out and shout the current media flavour. Remember covid toes? Probably not because each month it's some new dumb shit people regurgitate about how covid is so bad... Yet the science says the risk of covid is not really much different than other risks we take.

Some people are afraid to fly, some are afraid of harmless spiders. Fear of covid is just as irrational as these other fears people have.

[CpnCrunch]

When compared to the flu covid is not even worse than the flu.

Really?

[montado]

When compared to the flu covid is not even worse than the flu.

Really?

For kids under 12 I think so

The data shows 7 covid deaths if 70 percent of all kids in Ontario get covid.

Last school year 10 percent of all kids got covid so 70 percent is a pretty wild prediction. Those numbers are in par with the flu and it should be noted kids can get a flu vaccine. The 7 or so flu deaths are considering some kids are vaccinated.

So by what metric is covid worse than the flu for kids?

Sure covid is worse for adults that the flu, but effective vaccine is availableto all adults.

[altiplano]

Will you ask for employee health records when you enter a grocery store or restaurant too? There’s lots of other diseases out there. Can you imagine if a restaurant worker that handled your food had herpes?

Clearer?

Massive proportion of world’s population are living with herpes infection

About half a billion people worldwide are living with genital herpes, and several billion have an oral herpes infection, new estimates show.

https://www.who.int/news/item/01-05-202 ... -infection

Which would you rather? Herpes or Covid?

[Heliian]

I contacted my life insurance provider and they explained I can get vaccinated but I run the risk to have my policy canceled as they consider it an experimental drug at this point. They said it will be something to find out after my death and see if the payment is approved...hmm

this makes no sense and is false.

[scdriver]

That's a clear violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms imho.

Disclaimer:- I'm not a legal expert - but neither is the Prime Minister.

Great. Just great. What’s next? A driving passport to operate a truck? Alcohol passport to buy beer? Where will it end? Wake up sheeple.

You mean like a drivers licence?

[montado]

How many lives do we save from car accidents by issuing driver’s license. My last drive test was decades ago. I’m just curious how many lives we save by issuing a license to drive. Also how many lives are saved with license plate stickers. In Ontario we pay 10 bucks a month to register our vehicles. What for? Is this to make the road safe?

What is the purpose of all the “passports” we need to have?

[montado]

FYI, as of today Ontario is publishing the breakdown of cases and hospitalizations and whether they are vaccinated or not.

Today, approximately 20 percent of cases, hospitalizations, and ICU cases were fully vaccinated. That figure should be also referenced with vaccination… Which is about 60 to 70 percent fully vaccinated depending if you include everyone, or only include eligible persons.

Israel is on to giving 3rd shots and covid cases continue to increase.
https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandem ... se-over-60

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[CpnCrunch]

What is the purpose of all the “passports” we need to have?

It's kind of ridiculous...most countries let anyone enter for the whole of 2020. Then, now that we kind of have this sorta under control they usher in all these restrictions for travel that make it a huge PITA for anyone to go to another country.

[altiplano]

What do you mean ridiculous? Gotta be safe. Keep everyone isolated. Covid zero...

[montado]

What do you mean ridiculous? Gotta be safe. Keep everyone isolated. Covid zero...

Covid zero is the only way for many people. The more you talk to people you will realize this. Because the risk was to high a year ago, then we have masks and the risk is still to high, then we stop travel and yet it’s still not enough, then vaccines and guess what? Yeah even with vaccines and masks the risk is to high and apparently our hospitals will still be over flowing.

But I do think I have a solution to end this all for everyone… i know this is what we need to be safe… it’s a 3rd dose of vaccine.. Israel has started! So if we follow their lead covid will be over, the risk will then be acceptable.

I remember all those risk management pros a year ago on here telling me to follow the SOPs and how unbelievable it is that I’m a pilot. I wonder how excited they are for show number 3! Y’all still following the SOPs over there?

This is what it looks like when citizens enable government to control people with fear.

[CpnCrunch]

This is what it looks like when citizens enable government to control people with fear.

Not really. The third dose may make sense, as data from Israel seems to show the effectiveness seems to wane over time. Obviously that needs to be confirmed and replicated.

[altiplano]

This is what it looks like when citizens enable government to control people with fear.

Not really. The third dose may make sense, as data from Israel seems to show the effectiveness seems to wane over time. Obviously that needs to be confirmed and replicated.

It's called making it up as they go.

[CpnCrunch]

It's called making it up as they go.

It's called science and evidence. And sometimes that can be done quickly when the resources and will are there.

[newlygrounded]

This is what it looks like when citizens enable government to control people with fear.

Not really. The third dose may make sense, as data from Israel seems to show the effectiveness seems to wane over time. Obviously that needs to be confirmed and replicated.

It's called making it up as they go.

This is a new virus, what are you expecting. A playbook written ahead of time? I'd prefer they change suggestions based on new evidence.

[montado]

Not really. The third dose may make sense, as data from Israel seems to show the effectiveness seems to wane over time. Obviously that needs to be confirmed and replicated.

It's called making it up as they go.

This is a new virus, what are you expecting. A playbook written ahead of time? I'd prefer they change suggestions based on new evidence.

Bullshit, this is not a new virus. This virus has more data points to assess than any virus in history. This is the excuse people use the rationalize continued stupidity. People work off “worst case scenario” and “what if’s” because it makes excellent media headlines.

With all the data we have now if the experts can’t figure it out we never will.

Like is it still a fucking secret how effective masking is?

This will be a constant excuse of people… “new evidence” “the science is changing”

I looked at the data 8 months ago and could see how completely idiotic the policies were with covid. Some people are still following those SOP’s and listening to the experts.

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[newlygrounded]

It's called making it up as they go.

This is a new virus, what are you expecting. A playbook written ahead of time? I'd prefer they change suggestions based on new evidence.

Bullshit, this is not a new virus. This virus has more data points to assess than any virus in history. This is the excuse people use the rationalize continued stupidity. People work off “worst case scenario” and “what if’s” because it makes excellent media headlines.

With all the data we have now if the experts can’t figure it out we never will.

Like is it still a fucking secret how effective masking is?

This will be a constant excuse of people… “new evidence” “the science is changing”

I looked at the data 8 months ago and could see how completely idiotic the policies were with covid. Some people are still following those SOP’s and listening to the experts.
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A 65% risk reduction seems pretty effective

https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/new ... 65-percent

[altiplano]

Not really. The third dose may make sense, as data from Israel seems to show the effectiveness seems to wane over time. Obviously that needs to be confirmed and replicated.

It's called making it up as they go.

This is a new virus, what are you expecting. A playbook written ahead of time? I'd prefer they change suggestions based on new evidence.

LOL.

They had pandemic play books already written and they through them out.

Compared to their agenda? I could have wrote the playbook better myself 18 months ago.

These guys lost the picture long ago, they are so far behind the airplane they went into the side of a mountain a year ago and are just making themselves look worse at this point - at our expense.

These guys are deep into another playbook at this point. Fück them.

[altiplano]

A 65% risk reduction seems pretty effective

https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/new ... 65-percent

A puff piece article from over a year ago?

Get real. The science is out, it says that masks make such a small difference that it makes no difference. Obedience only at this point.

[newlygrounded]

A 65% risk reduction seems pretty effective

https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/new ... 65-percent

A puff piece article from over a year ago?

Get real. The science is out, it says that masks make such a small difference that it makes no difference. Obedience only at this point.

Cool, keep making unsourced claims

[altiplano]

A 65% risk reduction seems pretty effective

https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/new ... 65-percent

A puff piece article from over a year ago?

Get real. The science is out, it says that masks make such a small difference that it makes no difference. Obedience only at this point.

Cool, keep making unsourced claims

In the end, there was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19.

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When it comes to masks, it appears there is still little good evidence they prevent the spread of airborne diseases. The results of the Danmask-19 trial mirror other reviews into influenza-like illnesses. Nine other trials looking at the efficacy of masks (two looking at healthcare workers and seven at community transmission) have found that masks make little or no difference to whether you get influenza or not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.specta ... id-19-/amp

Add to that, even if given benefit of the doubt that there is some limited benefit under best case scenario mask usage (which the studies day there isn't) the vast vast majority of the population improperly wear them, wear soiled ones over and over, fiddle with them, touch their face, etc. all of which in fact make it worse than if they didn't wear one at all

[montado]

The religious beliefs are that masks reduce the risk. By how much? Well all the studies I see are very little.

Speeding increases risk. So if you drive 110 on the highway and another person drives 115, the person going 110 is the masked person. They are mitigating risks.

But you all know how I feel about that person going 110? Get the hell out of the fast lane! We don’t need you gate keeping the speeds

It’s hilarious to see people who don’t understand risk. You know, the same people who a year ago said I don’t understand risk. I wonder why they follow mask policy like religion? Funny enough the cult has taken over, try going maskless anywhere and you get death stares. No one says anything but damn they can’t understand how you would do something so risky! But yet they are the same idiots who go out with their family and friends without masks, in fact life for them is basically normal. The only time they mask is indoors when they go shopping! Not when aunt Betty comes over from another city… oh no when aunt Betty comes over she comes right in, they hug they kiss! They say so glad we are vaccinated and covid is basically over…. Then they go shopping later that day and BAM… death stare for plague rats not wearing masks!

It’s so strange, everyone is like life is normal, then you go into Costco and it’s like you are a murder if you don’t wear a mask retards.

[ReserveTank]

It's called making it up as they go.

It's called science and evidence. And sometimes that can be done quickly when the resources and will are there.

What a parrot. You're unable to explain "tHe SciEncE" so you just repeat the state-approved phrases as a response. The vax was supposed to (by the word of the scientists, mind you) "stop the spread," and "prevent infections." Evidence is mounting all over the world, including everybody's recent favourite, Israel (why?), that the vax does not do any of this. The narrative was recently changed from stopping the spread to "effective at preventing severe infection." But even this isn't guaranteed as there is a RATE involved with this aspect. Additionally, related to my previous anecdote, there are more cases of unvaxxed that are testing negative after being exposed to positive cases that were vaxxed. Italy has several interesting cases.