TeePeeCreeper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:42 pm
Talk is cheap, Link?
Don't think it'll ever see the light of day. I watched it on the phone of the fella who filmed it. But i'm just some random poster on the internet soo...
Fair enough. Appreciate your taking the time to reply.
C-FVVW, an advanced Delisle CADI ultralight on floats, was carrying out a test at speed
medium engine on Lake Kénogamichiche, QC with the pilot alone on board. While the pilot had
increased engine rpm and was still at low speed with the nose high, the right wing swept up.
lifted probably due to a gust of wind, the left wingtip touched the
surface of the water and the aircraft overturned. The pilot managed to get out and was not injured.
The seaplane sustained damage primarily from water immersion.
From now on, I will try to note that any quoted report is from the TSB to avoid any confusion. I am not tech savvy, so I won't be posting a picture of the actual report(plus it is time consuming. If there is any doubt, please contact the TSB for further details.....
C-FIUY, The Upper Winds Air Ltd. de Havilland DHC-2, was departing from Spray Lakes, AB to
Ghost Lake, AB. While conducting a water take-off, a crosswind gust lifted the left wing of the
aircraft. The pilot, who was the sole occupant, was unable to maintain control of the aircraft. The
left-wing tip dragged on the water surface. Subsequently the nose and the right wing tip of the
aircraft contacted the surface of the lake as the aircraft came to an abrupt stop. The emergency
locator transmitter activated, and the aircraft returned to the shoreline. The pilot was uninjured and
the aircraft received damage to the right-wing tip fairing and propeller.
C-FIGF, a de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver on floats, was being operated by Alkan Air from Mayo, YT
float base (3 nm E of CYMA) to McClusky Lake, YT. The flight was transporting two passengers to
the Wind River for a canoe trip. The pilot aborted the first approach, to the south, as the variable
winds were not favorable. On the second approach, to the north, after touchdown on the water, the
pilot attempted a go-around. The engine (PRATT & WHITNEY-USA, R-985-AN-14B) hesitated and
did not produce power quickly enough. The pilot aborted the go-around and reduced power. During
the deceleration on the water the aircraft didn't come to a stop until it had entered a marshy area.
There were no injuries or damage to the aircraft and all occupants were able to exit the aircraft
unassisted.
Following the flight, the company brought a maintenance team out to inspect the aircraft and pull it
out of the marsh. There were no defects or damage found on the aircraft. The aircraft was returned
to service and flew from McClusky Lake back to the float base in Mayo, YT.
C-FYKA, a Cessna 172 floatplane, was conducting flight training on Whitewater Lake, ON, with a
student and an instructor on board. During the landing, the left wingtip made contact with the
water, damaging the aircraft. The aircraft remained afloat. The wing was removed for structural
repairs and subsequently reinstalled. The aircraft was returned to service.
C-FNNP, an amateur-built amphibious-equipped Super 22 Bushmaster airplane, was conducting a
VFR flight from Virden (CTVD), MB to Oak Lake Beach MB. While landing at Oak Lake Beach, the
aircraft landed hard and became partially submerged. There were no injuries to the pilot or
passenger. The aircraft was substantially damaged. It was reported that glassy water conditions
existed at the time of landing.
C-GXKQ, a float equipped privately registered Cessna 182P, was on a recreational flight from
Bonnyville (CYBF), AB to Stoney Lake AB which is 13 NM to the SE of St. Paul (CEW3). On arrival
overhead Stoney Lake, two passes were made to inspect the lake conditions for landing before the
landing attempt was made. On the landing, the flare was misjudged due to glassy water conditions
and the aircraft bounced 3 times. On the third bounce the nose of the floats caught the water and
the aircraft tumbled forward which resulted in the aircraft being inverted in the water. The aircraft
remained on the surface of the lake attached to the floats. Both occupants were able to exit the
aircraft and a passing boater gave them a ride to shore. The ELT did not activate.
C-FFYO a privately registered Quicksilver Challenger II aircraft on floats was on a local area
pleasure flight operating from Lake Deception, near Lower Ohio, Nova Scotia. During a glassy
water landing the aircraft touched down hard and the fiberglass floats were immediately
compromised. The aircraft sank below the lake surface. The uninjured pilot extracted himself from
the aircraft and swam to shore.
The pilot had taken aircraft egress training in the past year.
In addition to damaged floats the aircraft received some structural damage due to the impact.
C-FSEO, a Champion Aircraft Corp. 7GCB Challenger (equipped with floats) in private operation
was carrying out a flight under visual flight rules from the Quebec/Lac St-
Augustin, QC (CNS8) to perform touch-and-go shots on the St. Lawrence River a few
nautical miles southwest with an instructor and a pilot on board. After a touch-and-go, the plane
made a circuit to the left and a few moments after reaching 1000 feet above the
sea level downwind, a rapid descent occurred. The plane hit the surface
water with a vertical attitude and the device sank to the bottom of the river. The device has been destroyed
and the 2 occupants suffered fatal injuries.
This incident got me thinking about the floats. What to do if somehow, they have been damaged but the aircraft is now airborne. Would it be better to land in a field?
From TSB...
C-GGNB, an amateur built Murphy Rebel on amphibious floats, was conducting circuits at Lake St.
John with a pilot and instructor on board. During the occurrence landing, when the aircraft touched
down normally, it suddenly veered to the right, due to a reported issue with a float attachment
point. The aircraft stayed upright but had to be towed to the Orillia-Ramara Airport (CNJ4), ON.
Both pilots received minor injuries.
Any of our floatplane experts have an opinion on what leads to a sudden yaw on touchdown? Drift?
C-GTAA, a privately registered Cessna A185F amphibious aircraft, was conducting a round-robin
VFR flight from Winnipeg/St. Andrews Airport (CYAV), MB. During the flight, the pilot conducted
touch and go landings at Forbes Lake, MB. On the second landing, the aircraft yawed to the left
then to the right at touchdown. The pilot attempted to correct the yaw; however, the right wing
contacted the water. The aircraft remained upright, and the pilot was able to taxi the aircraft to
shore. The pilot then relayed to an over-flying aircraft his situation and requested a relay for
assistance. The pilot was not injured. The aircraft's right wing was substantially damaged.
Crosswind and having one’s feet on the floor rather than working the rudder pedals.
I once saw a -2 pilot do exactly that at AM9 as I was heading down the gangway with my passengers. It wasn’t pretty and much like the event above, the aircraft remained upright but the right wing was toast!
As mentioned above lateral drift when landing due to incorrect or lack of rudder input is the usual cause. I came very close to cartwheeling a 185 some years ago. I was coming back to camp at dark and in a rush to get down I made a low level turn on final and set up for a glassy landing. When I touched down had I not had my hand on the throttle and gave it instant power it would have cartwheeled. Normally visual reference for lateral drift is gained from the water surface and or the horizon - shoreline. Landing just before dark you can see the trees water and shoreline quite well from up in the air but the as you get close to the water all you see is obscured black outlines and obviously no water surface. Landing under those conditions you need a very stabilized approach as I found out. I was still drifting from the low level turn over the trees with no visual reference to correct it. Yikes a bit scary for sure.
How about the left nose gear on a set of Edo 3500’s bled out the hydro pressure and was in the down position upon touchdown……I have no idea what the gear down indications are in those relics.
peterdillon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 12:21 pm
As mentioned above lateral drift when landing due to incorrect or lack of rudder input is the usual cause. I came very close to cartwheeling a 185 some years ago. I was coming back to camp at dark and in a rush to get down I made a low level turn on final and set up for a glassy landing. When I touched down had I not had my hand on the throttle and gave it instant power it would have cartwheeled. Normally visual reference for lateral drift is gained from the water surface and or the horizon - shoreline. Landing just before dark you can see the trees water and shoreline quite well from up in the air but the as you get close to the water all you see is obscured black outlines and obviously no water surface. Landing under those conditions you need a very stabilized approach as I found out. I was still drifting from the low level turn over the trees with no visual reference to correct it. Yikes a bit scary for sure.
This happened to me this summer(I think it is called Digging A Float) and it really scared me. First time it has ever happened and that is why I asked for further information a couple of posts ago. Touch down with a bit of unnoticed drift and suddenly yaw left. Back elevator, power, aileron, and rudder used for recovery.
C-GZFM, an amateur built Sealane 182 seaplane was departing from McPhee Bay on Lake
Simcoe (near Orillia), ON. During the take-off run, while attempting to maneuver away from a
marine vessel, the aircraft flipped and overturned. The two occupants egressed the aircraft but
received minor injuries. The local police marine unit responded and rescued the two occupants.
C-GNMR, a privately registered amphibious float equipped Murphy Rebel, was conducting local
flights from Chilliwack Airport (CYCW), BC, with the pilot and one passenger on board. Following a
stopover on Harrison Lake in the vicinity of Silver Creek, BC, the aircraft took off and was flying low
level southbound over the lake. The pilot opted to land near the middle of the lake. The aircraft
landed hard which caused the left float to buckle and the left-wing tip to contact the water. The
aircraft briefly spun on the water surface before overturning. The pilot and passenger removed their
respective restraints, exited the right cockpit door onto the overturned wing and donned personal
floatation devices. C-FOHT, a private amphibious Cub Crafters Carbon Cub EX, was
accompanying the Murphy Rebel and landed on the lake to pick up the 2 occupants. The aircraft
taxied to shore and offloaded the 2 occupants riding on the floats before departing back to CYCW.
The occupants were assisted by a bystander and taken by private vehicle to the Chilliwack General
Hospital. The pilot received minor injuries and the passenger was uninjured.
The aircraft sank in approximately 860 feet of water and has not been recovered.
Overall, it looks like it wasn't one of those really bad years for floatplane crashes. Personally, I get nervous when landing between the mainland and an island. Triggered me at least once this year to do a more thorough examination of the area.....
C-FUGM, a Cessna 180 on floats, was landing on Buckhorn Lake, ON in a north easterly direction
between the mainland and small island when the aircraft's propeller and floats struck a wire strung
across the water from the mainland to the island. The pilot was able to land safely and water taxied
to the intended destination, a nearby cottage. There was damage to one propeller blade the
cowling and the windshield on the passenger side. A loner prop was installed, and the aircraft was
flown back to it's home base in Coboconk, ON.
Hard landing or side loaded? Details still very sketchy coming out of Vietnam. Probably will never get the whole story but wonder if there is an overseas version of cador or public accident reports
C-FZVP, an Air Nootka Limited De Havilland Aircraft of Canada DHC-2 MK 1 (Beaver) aircraft on
floats, was conducting a flight from Louie Lagoon, Nootka Island, BC, to Gold River (CAU6), BC,
with only the pilot on board. During approach to land on the river mouth near the CAU6 dock, the
aircraft entered an abrupt turn to the right, impacted the trees and came to rest in the forest
approximately 50 meters from the river's edge. The pilot was seriously injured. The aircraft was
significantly damaged.
The aircraft was recovered to a maintenance facility at the Campbell River Airport (CYBL) for
examination.
pelmet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:35 am
From TSB.....
C-FZVP, an Air Nootka Limited De Havilland Aircraft of Canada DHC-2 MK 1 (Beaver) aircraft on
floats, was conducting a flight from Louie Lagoon, Nootka Island, BC, to Gold River (CAU6), BC,
with only the pilot on board. During approach to land on the river mouth near the CAU6 dock, the
aircraft entered an abrupt turn to the right, impacted the trees and came to rest in the forest
approximately 50 meters from the river's edge. The pilot was seriously injured. The aircraft was
significantly damaged.
The aircraft was recovered to a maintenance facility at the Campbell River Airport (CYBL) for
examination.
pelmet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:35 am
From TSB.....
C-FZVP, an Air Nootka Limited De Havilland Aircraft of Canada DHC-2 MK 1 (Beaver) aircraft on
floats, was conducting a flight from Louie Lagoon, Nootka Island, BC, to Gold River (CAU6), BC,
with only the pilot on board. During approach to land on the river mouth near the CAU6 dock, the
aircraft entered an abrupt turn to the right, impacted the trees and came to rest in the forest
approximately 50 meters from the river's edge. The pilot was seriously injured. The aircraft was
significantly damaged.
The aircraft was recovered to a maintenance facility at the Campbell River Airport (CYBL) for
examination.
Maybe just add *July 2023
Sometimes the reports that come out are quite delayed....for unknown reason. Can't remember if I noticed that on this one....possibly.
C-GPUR, an amateur-built Searey-type aircraft in private operation, was carrying out a
recreational flight under visual flight rules from a private runway near Val-des-Sources, QC, at
destination of Lac Les Trois Lacs in Val-des-Sources, QC. When landing, the wheels were
descended and on contact with the surface of the water, the aircraft overturned. The only pilot on board
suffered minor injuries. The plane suffered significant damage.
