Flair Hiring B737 FO's

[boeingboy]

A Ryan Air style network is the proverbial ULCC model, and it's the same as Easyjet and Wizzair. No squeezing, just ULCC business.

This is nothing like Ryanair or Easyjet. True ULCC business does not work here...

[GRK2]

A Ryan Air style network is the proverbial ULCC model, and it's the same as Easyjet and Wizzair. No squeezing, just ULCC business.

This is nothing like Ryanair or Easyjet. True ULCC business does not work here...

If you're referring to the "LCC in a Company" like Swoop? You might be right. No one in Canada has actually tried a true stand alone ULCC with the right equipment, basings and business plan. The Calgary Crowd was headed in the right direction so many years ago but had a change of plans along the way. All those others that were part of Canadian or Air Canada or the plethora of failed "CHARTER" companies fell by the wayside because of costs or 911 or huge holes in bank accounts... (LeBlanc or Lecky et al comes to mind here.)

So like I asked above, what's the problem with waiting to see if it works? Is it personal or is it causing you to face some sort of personal loss?

Tranquillo...

[co-joe]

It's nice to see management engaged in a positive way on this forum.

How are the contract negotiations coming along? I hope captain pay in the new contract will reflect the experience levels that Flair hopes to attain and continue to attract.

Currently running with interim MEC, next step is to elect permanent members.

[co-joe]

Is there a maximum age limit for pilots (CAPT/FO) being hired?

I've met at least one new hire who was approaching forced retirement/ seat change at their old airline, 68th birthday is the CBA limit for the left seat right now.

[Airbrake]

Is there a maximum age limit for pilots (CAPT/FO) being hired?

I've met at least one new hire who was approaching forced retirement/ seat change at their old airline, 68th birthday is the CBA limit for the left seat right now.

How is the company accommodating the >65 with their flights increasing into the US?
Are they currently building them domestic only pairings?

[tbaylx]

Is there a maximum age limit for pilots (CAPT/FO) being hired?

I've met at least one new hire who was approaching forced retirement/ seat change at their old airline, 68th birthday is the CBA limit for the left seat right now.

How is the company accommodating the >65 with their flights increasing into the US?
Are they currently building them domestic only pairings?

Yes, domestic only pairings for 65+

[ndarcy]

I’ve got to say, it really is nice to have some transparent information on current experience of flight crews, bases, upgrade times, and an in depth look at what kind of experience you are looking for and what kind of experience we would be competing with in the hiring process. Also hiring timelines.

Thanks for answering questions, appreciate it.

What are the chances for a Canadian citizen with an ATPL, 2500 hrs half jet and half heavy turboprop? I know the experience has priority but what is the point of taking a 10,000 Capt on the right seat, some more experienced than the captains. Sometimes not a good idea to have two captains in the flight deck. Plus some of us younger guys are planning to grow with the company!

It’s unlikely we’ll be considering 2500 hours until mid to late next year. The point in hiring 10000+ hour former jet captains as FOs is that they can upgrade on day 1 or whenever we need them. We quadrupled in size this year and are going to double again next year. We need a solid core of experience in the left seat to support that growth and we’re lucky enough to have it available right now.

No one is sitting as an FO longer than 3-8 months right now. As that upgrade time begins to extend then we begin hiring lower time pilots that we can develop and train internally over a period of a few years so they’ll be excellent, safe captains when ready.

We are beginning to mix in some lower experienced pilots (5000tt and fo only jet time) with our hiring in order to stagger out the experience levels and that will continue to drop in 2022-23

In the 2500 hour scenario above, if that was all military time (Canadian), would it help the applicant's competitiveness?

[indieadventurer]

In the 2500 hour scenario above, if that was all military time (Canadian), would it help the applicant's competitiveness?

Yes, military time is looked at differently. Not just at Flair.

[tbaylx]

What are the chances for a Canadian citizen with an ATPL, 2500 hrs half jet and half heavy turboprop? I know the experience has priority but what is the point of taking a 10,000 Capt on the right seat, some more experienced than the captains. Sometimes not a good idea to have two captains in the flight deck. Plus some of us younger guys are planning to grow with the company!

It’s unlikely we’ll be considering 2500 hours until mid to late next year. The point in hiring 10000+ hour former jet captains as FOs is that they can upgrade on day 1 or whenever we need them. We quadrupled in size this year and are going to double again next year. We need a solid core of experience in the left seat to support that growth and we’re lucky enough to have it available right now.

No one is sitting as an FO longer than 3-8 months right now. As that upgrade time begins to extend then we begin hiring lower time pilots that we can develop and train internally over a period of a few years so they’ll be excellent, safe captains when ready.

We are beginning to mix in some lower experienced pilots (5000tt and fo only jet time) with our hiring in order to stagger out the experience levels and that will continue to drop in 2022-23

In the 2500 hour scenario above, if that was all military time (Canadian), would it help the applicant's competitiveness?

Yes, we've hired a few military pilots recently that had more than the minimum 2500 hours but less than their civilian colleagues. It's taken into consideration and we hire based on other skills other than just total flight time

[CaptainKirk]

Now that Flair is estimated to hire more than 100 pilots in the next 12 months.

Here is the salary breakdown.

[YouTube] https://youtu.be/5fQjrIxoNjE[/YouTube]

[ready]

Is there anyone that could share what the rosters are looking like for the newer hires at the company? Are they reasonably efficient, Can you get any days off you request (are you working every weekend), is there much reserve, how many days off between days of flying (can you commute)...?

Thanks

[Purgatory]

Has anyone been given a course date yet for 2022, Capt or F/O?

[tbaylx]

Is there anyone that could share what the rosters are looking like for the newer hires at the company? Are they reasonably efficient, Can you get any days off you request (are you working every weekend), is there much reserve, how many days off between days of flying (can you commute)...?

Thanks

Rosters are relatively efficient with high credit turns. Most pilots are holding 15+ days off a month, some new hires have over 20 days off. Reserves are full blocks, we don't have mixed reserve blocks.

As a new hire, you may end up with a reserve block depending on the base and relative seniority. Anyone hired in 2022 will be in the top half of seniority by the end of 2023 so it's all relative. We have many commuters so it's certainly feasible and you can usually hold your days off in blocks however it's computerized bidding so if you arent' proficient in bidding you can certainly make a mess of your schedule.

[tbaylx]

Has anyone been given a course date yet for 2022, Capt or F/O?

Course offers for the January 17th class have gone out. That class was mostly type-rated candidates. Offers for the two February classes should go out in the next couple of weeks prior to Christmas and March course offers will go out in January 2022 after the holidays.

[Purgatory]

Thanks.

[flying4dollars]

Is there anyone that could share what the rosters are looking like for the newer hires at the company? Are they reasonably efficient, Can you get any days off you request (are you working every weekend), is there much reserve, how many days off between days of flying (can you commute)...?

Thanks

Rosters are relatively efficient with high credit turns. Most pilots are holding 15+ days off a month, some new hires have over 20 days off. Reserves are full blocks, we don't have mixed reserve blocks.

As a new hire, you may end up with a reserve block depending on the base and relative seniority. Anyone hired in 2022 will be in the top half of seniority by the end of 2023 so it's all relative. We have many commuters so it's certainly feasible and you can usually hold your days off in blocks however it's computerized bidding so if you arent' proficient in bidding you can certainly make a mess of your schedule.

I'm senior and I learned this lesson the hard way in September

Quality of life is pretty good here once you've gotten the PBS bidding system figured out. Add seniority on top of that and life is pretty gravy. Lots of opportunities for OT on your days off if you so choose. Just flew with a guy who's been here only 6 months, but in AC or WJ mainline years, that's like having 5+ year

[matthew.oommen]

Have they already sent out offers for the Feb groundschools?

Is there anyone that could share what the rosters are looking like for the newer hires at the company? Are they reasonably efficient, Can you get any days off you request (are you working every weekend), is there much reserve, how many days off between days of flying (can you commute)...?

Thanks

Rosters are relatively efficient with high credit turns. Most pilots are holding 15+ days off a month, some new hires have over 20 days off. Reserves are full blocks, we don't have mixed reserve blocks.

As a new hire, you may end up with a reserve block depending on the base and relative seniority. Anyone hired in 2022 will be in the top half of seniority by the end of 2023 so it's all relative. We have many commuters so it's certainly feasible and you can usually hold your days off in blocks however it's computerized bidding so if you arent' proficient in bidding you can certainly make a mess of your schedule.

I'm senior and I learned this lesson the hard way in September

Quality of life is pretty good here once you've gotten the PBS bidding system figured out. Add seniority on top of that and life is pretty gravy. Lots of opportunities for OT on your days off if you so choose. Just flew with a guy who's been here only 6 months, but in AC or WJ mainline years, that's like having 5+ year

[Arnie Pye]

Expect 18 days of reserve while at the bottom. Bidding system is all or nothing - full block or full reserve. I'd plan at least 4-6 months of reserve blocks. By the time someone gets on now, you'll be online in the fall. Not sure what the delivery schedule is that far out (deliveries = more pilots under you) Schedules depend on bases. Generally, all the senior guys I know do 8-10 days of high credit flying. Once you're off reserve you'll get all of min-credit flying until you get a few people under you.
You will probably get the days off that you want (aside from Christmas/new year etc)

[Magnetron]

Hello,

Can someone share their experience typically how long after the interview that you hear back from them whether you are in or not? Not necessarily the groundschool date but that you are in the hiring pool. Thanks!

[matthew.oommen]

One week for me, to get into the pool.

Hello,

Can someone share their experience typically how long after the interview that you hear back from them whether you are in or not? Not necessarily the groundschool date but that you are in the hiring pool. Thanks!

[flybyyou]

Anyone can give a heads up on what they ask for the compass test?

can pm as well.

thank you

[what_limit?]

Hey Jazz RJ guy here, been at Jazz for 3 years and really quite enjoy it but I'm strongly considering jumping to Flair. Any insight from people out there who are/were in a similar situation is greatly appreciated.

Tldr: I haven't gone through this whole thread yet but if I'm asking the question someone else did- my apologies

Blue skies

[what_limit?]

Hey Jazz RJ guy here, been at Jazz for 3 years and really quite enjoy it but I'm strongly considering jumping to Flair. Any insight from people out there who are/were in a similar situation is greatly appreciated.

Tldr: I haven't gone through this whole thread yet but if I'm asking the question someone else did- my apologies

Blue skies

[y61900]

Can anyone provide info in terms of the interview, compass test, and callback times ?

Thanks in advance.

[Soyer]

The interview is fairly standard and will be informed by the results on your Compass and Hogan tests. Compass test information is widely available on the internet. The Hogan test is psychological based and is also used industry wide outside of Canada.

The intent is to find individuals who will fit the company culture! If you are high time and experienced but lack the 'personalty' to fit in then you likely will not be hired. If you are lower time but score well, are trainable and fit with culture then there is a good chance you will be offered a position.

Timeline for callback is usually less than 4 weeks with a confirmed date or pool information.