WJ mainline cancelling GS due to lack of experienced applicants

[Dronepiper]

When were Westjet Captains paid less than 60k/yr? Can someone post a reference.

[Franky Jr]

When comparing AC and WJ you should add 15% to AC pay due to company pension contribution and paid benefits (these never show up on a T4), it is probably more than 15% but it puts you in the ballpark. Whereas a WJ T4 is the all in price.

For me, if i hear of a high paid WJ pilot, great, what is important is how many days did he work to make that.

[sstaurus]

When were Westjet Captains paid less than 60k/yr? Can someone post a reference.

When they started in 1996. They were the Lynx/Flair of the day but at least there were equity incentives.

[fish4life]

Who are you exactly? You clearly have no clue who I am.

You think my comments denote a "yes vote" to the Cargo fiasco? Read it again. Yes there are plenty of the "old guard" who sold a generation of pilots down the river. There are also plenty of us who were sickened by it, and opposed it at every step and every slip.

How about cleaning up the issues at WJ, all of which were caused by not drawing a scope line in the sand, and standing by it. Who's direction did you take to get where you're at exactly? You've got your own "old guard" issues. We don't need more of that wishy-washiness over here, comprised of those choosing to flee it instead of fix it.

Recommending that the young in your organization do just that to create a pilot exodus so Management will finally take notice and increase your compensation to stem the flow is a cop out.

Are you someone special? You sound quite entitled so I'm ready for an education. I'd love to hear your history about fleeing - people are going to make moves and clearly people are okay coming down to the flat pay to make a change. I think its refreshing in someway especially as it is contract year. The old guard will have a hard time recruiting their support when majority of the pilot group is paid peanuts and poverty wages.

If anything AC is really to blame for setting up this whole industry the way it is today. Not that WJ is also not to blame but I have a stronger feeling they may actually stand their ground finally. The AC pilots have a tough time standing up to ACPA and the company.

AC is to BLAME! Seriously!
I guess you weren’t around when WJ pilots were paid, what was it, 56,000/yr as a 37 Captain!
Stock options blah blah blah, could’ve been worthless and certainly has not been used as a benchmark. Make no mistake, WJ started the long slide to rock bottom but go ahead if it makes you feel better, blame AC

When westjet paid really low they weren’t a competitor to AC, WJ wouldn’t have been big enough to be actually competing with AC until the mid 2000’s.

[Dias]

For me, if i hear of a high paid WJ pilot, great, what is important is how many days did he work to make that.

And what effect did that lifestyle have on them mentally.

[cdnavater]

Are you someone special? You sound quite entitled so I'm ready for an education. I'd love to hear your history about fleeing - people are going to make moves and clearly people are okay coming down to the flat pay to make a change. I think its refreshing in someway especially as it is contract year. The old guard will have a hard time recruiting their support when majority of the pilot group is paid peanuts and poverty wages.

If anything AC is really to blame for setting up this whole industry the way it is today. Not that WJ is also not to blame but I have a stronger feeling they may actually stand their ground finally. The AC pilots have a tough time standing up to ACPA and the company.

AC is to BLAME! Seriously!
I guess you weren’t around when WJ pilots were paid, what was it, 56,000/yr as a 37 Captain!
Stock options blah blah blah, could’ve been worthless and certainly has not been used as a benchmark. Make no mistake, WJ started the long slide to rock bottom but go ahead if it makes you feel better, blame AC

When westjet paid really low they weren’t a competitor to AC, WJ wouldn’t have been big enough to be actually competing with AC until the mid 2000’s.

Did that stop AC from using them as a benchmark for wages?
And I think you’re are mistaken, they were domestic competitors on the same routes, just not big enough for AC to care, that backfired on them.

[Canpilot7]

What really matters is what the two groups will do with their leverage and contracts that expire close to one another. Both groups have learned the hard lesson of why you can't go to binding arbitration. With the leverage they have and the competition in the market, hopefully both groups know they should be going to lockout/strike if they don't make massive gains.

I won't hold my breath however... didn't ALPA take a 90+% strike vote to arbitration last time? Or was that government action that forced their hand in 2018?