bumping first class passengers for deadhead crew

[Curiousflyer]

[quote=iflygirl_92 post_id=1241141 time=1676996921 user_id=78126]
A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back
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Your scenario played out something like this from the pilots perspective.
1 - Pilot checks work schedule 48 hours before departure of the deadhead and discovers no booking has been made.
2 - Pilot calls in to inform Air Canada that no booking was made for their deadhead.
3 - Pilot tries to check in for the deadhead 24 hours before departure, but discovers there is still no booking made and once again calls Air Canada to make a booking
4 - Pilot tries to check in again just before driving to the airport and discovers the booking was not made appropriately and there is no business class seat available, even though their compensation entitles them to a business class seat. Would you work for free?
5- Pilot calls Air Canada again to inform them that the booking still wasn’t made appropriately and is told the booking will be sorted out at the gate.
6- Pilot arrives at gate and once boarding begins is told they cannot be accommodated in business class. Pilot calls Air Canada once again and says, “This business class seat is part of my compensation package, I’ve informed you of the problem multiple times now and you still haven’t fixed the problem. I won’t be boarding this plane if it isn’t in line with my compensation package, I don’t work for free.”
7 - Passenger is bumped to make room for pilot. No one is happy.

So I ask you, who’s at fault? No pilot is happy to bump a paying passenger, but should you work for free? Should any employee work for free or lower compensation? After all, if all employees took a massive compensation cut, it’d be better for passengers right?

A true professional values their worth and tries to solve issues ahead of time. There is zero chance that this wasn’t attempted by the pilot to be rectified days in advance.

[Cavalier44]

Don't waste your time or energy feeding the trolls. You don't have to justify the benefits or compensation afforded to you under the CBA to strangers on the internet. Move on.

[tbayav8er]

Glad to hear this FO was able to get it sorted out before departure....

[bcflyer]

it was a full fair J class paid back in April to the Caribbean. They got me bumped to the back. for a junior first officer so he could sit up in business class. better get used to it more passengers, complaining wherever they can.

Were you already checked in and had a J class seat? If so then you should definitely contact Air Canada as you should be entitled to compensation.

Couple other questions: I’m curious how you know the seniority of the F/O that was seated in J. Was there a Captain in J as well or just the F/O? As has been mentioned several times it wasn’t the pilot that bumped you, it was Air Canada. Doesn’t make it right but if you are an airline pilot you are fully aware of what is given up in negotiations to get any type of gains.

[swervin]

It appears Iflygirl92 is a Jazz pilot looking at their previous posts on here.

[Big Pistons Forever]

You don't get what you deserve you get what you negotiate. Pilot's negotiated a business class seat for deadheads, passenger bought a business class seat but got bumped. This is not the pilots problem, or the passenger's problem, its Air Canada's problem. So negotiations now start before boarding on compensation. I would be OK with a full refund, hotel, meal, and a J class seat the next day.

You don't have to be loud or obnoxious, just firm in your demands and keep escalating up the management food chain until you get what you want. I once had a similar issue. I had a paid for a J class seat but after an airplane change they tried to get me to accept a Y class middle seat . I refused and eventually got AC to put me on J class on United with a US connection that got me home 4.5 hours later. They initially refused any compensation but after 6 months of correspondence they figured out I wasn't going away and gave me a significant flight voucher. I wasn't mad, it's just business.

[braaap Braap]

None of this happened and Iflygirl_92 is having a blast watching you all react to them.

[Crewbunk]

None of this happened and Iflygirl_92 is having a blast watching you all react to them.

That was pretty obvious the second time I asked for flights/dates. I’d have no problem seeing exactly what, if anything, happened. No answer? Didn’t happen!

I don’t think there was a lot of reaction on our side of the fence. Flygirl sure gets wound up though.

[TheAlcalde]

It appears Iflygirl92 is a Jazz pilot looking at their previous posts on here.

We need flygirl at mainline ASAP so we can watch her let loose on yammer

[dhc2pilot]

A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back

That’s one long sentence. Try using spell check and punctuation.

Business class may not be for you.

[thrust set]

“We need flygirl at mainline ASAP so we can watch her let loose on yammer.”

Someone mentioned that “Flygirl” was turned down in one of the original Jazz PML’s. He/She/It never moved on from an Air Canada rejection.
Guys/gals there was never a passenger bumped in this situation, more like they were deadheading and walking with their head hung low as they passed younger looking pilot in J seating as they took their seat in the back. Membership has its privileges.

Nothing to see here.

[rudder]

Dumbest…..thread……ever…….

[iflygirl_92]

“We need flygirl at mainline ASAP so we can watch her let loose on yammer.”

Someone mentioned that “Flygirl” was turned down in one of the original Jazz PML’s. He/She/It never moved on from an Air Canada rejection.
Guys/gals there was never a passenger bumped in this situation, more like they were deadheading and walking with their head hung low as they passed younger looking pilot in J seating as they took their seat in the back. Membership has its privileges.

Nothing to see here.

LOVE THE SPECULATION
THIS IS great..
what conspiracy theory do you have next?
so wrong on so many levels
love that

Thinking i still am a pilot
love it …
it’s called a PHD

[iflygirl_92]

This Ifly chick is clearly an angry FA whose lack of any "professional or licensed" designation, is making her bitter.

Sorry, your days of linking contract gains to "licensed" employee groups like pilots, dispatchers and AME's are ending. Don't take your resentment out on us. Go get a professional designation, a license, or perhaps more education of any sort. Then come back.

Right now you're just an uneducated, unaccredited, unlicensed ---self-entitled TROLL--- and no one thinks otherwise.

this is fun
you guys are truely pathetic

Hurry up hit refresh…..
maybe someone else said something….

[iflygirl_92]

I’ll say thank you for the entertainment

watch for the CBC there will be a story of this practice

don’t worry we will ask ACPA for a comment too

[Tdicommuter]

Would you be irate at a rental car agency who doesn't have a car for you when you show up to the counter? Who do you get mad at the person at the desk, or the company whose booking allowed that to happen?

We have no control over how the company decides to book off the seats for us. We do not create the pairings that require the DH. We do not have control over any of the planning or booking details.

Please re-direct your anger towards the guilty party. Employees are not the writer of the rules... We need to follow the rules plain and simple. We can't decide to fly longer than a duty day because we worry about getting someone home. When the company decides to plan pairings around needing to DH pilots, or flight attendants they have made the choice.

Great on you for being upset about getting bumped, but why would you decide it's the employees fault? The company is likely making a choice trying to save money, so complain, call email them, but don't get mad at the employees.

[Tdicommuter]

How do you foresee the gotcha journalism going on that story from the perspective of ACPA.

-is it true pilots will bump paying passengers

-no we are entitled to a seat, it shouldn't be sold, if it is then that person will need to be reaccomdated.

-do you think that practice is right?

-we don't see this as a right or wrong situation, the contract states how we work the same way it tells us how to dress at work. How the company complies is up to them.

[Tbayer2021]

How do you foresee the gotcha journalism going on that story from the perspective of ACPA.

-is it true pilots will bump paying passengers

-no we are entitled to a seat, it shouldn't be sold, if it is then that person will need to be reaccomdated.

-do you think that practice is right?

-we don't see this as a right or wrong situation, the contract states how we work the same way it tells us how to dress at work. How the company complies is up to them.

Don't worry, shes not even going to be laughed off the CBC. They simply won't reply to her email. Best case scenario for her, she gets her story published by BlogTO or something along those lines. And most people that read that probably can't afford an AC ticket, let alone business.

[Crewbunk]

As entertaining as are the psychotic rants, ignored by most on here, it really comes down to “bumping” itself. An interesting discussion in its own right.

Namely there is a very big difference between being physically removed from a Business Class seat and simply being denied a seat, as Business Class is full.

Any capable journalist could paint quite a picture, hoping to inspire indignation, (and clicks). Some poor granny who spent her life savings, settling down in her seat only to have a Flight Attendant looking like the angel of death, pointing her out with a bony finger to the leather clad Gestapo soldiers who drag her away screaming and kicking …. hot towel in one hand, champagne in the other.

Simply, it just doesn’t happen.

More likely, someone expressed a desire for one of the 40 Business Class seats on that Triple and were denied. Among the 40 passengers, apparently was a pilot. He and he alone is the reason for the denial. Right?

But, it is an interesting topic for discussion. Many people on here have tried to patiently explain to her why one scenario is more likely than the other. That’s all we can do.

For the record, in almost 35 years of airline flying, I have never seen a scenario where a passenger (in any cabin) was removed, and a pilot placed instead. There are many functions and possibilities to preclude that from happening.

[daedalusx]

For the record, in almost 35 years of airline flying, I have never seen a scenario where a passenger (in any cabin) was removed, and a pilot placed instead. There are many functions and possibilities to preclude that from happening.

If anything, it usually goes the other way around, I've seen plenty of Jazz/AC pilots give up their DH cabin seat, and have to use the flight deck jumpseat in order to fit a passenger in a cabin because commercial overbooked the flight and they wanted to be a "team player".

[rookiepilot]

As entertaining as are the psychotic rants, ignored by most on here, it really comes down to “bumping” itself. An interesting discussion in its own right.

Namely there is a very big difference between being physically removed from a Business Class seat and simply being denied a seat, as Business Class is full.

Any capable journalist could paint quite a picture, hoping to inspire indignation, (and clicks). Some poor granny who spent her life savings, settling down in her seat only to have a Flight Attendant looking like the angel of death, pointing her out with a bony finger to the leather clad Gestapo soldiers who drag her away screaming and kicking …. hot towel in one hand, champagne in the other.

Simply, it just doesn’t happen.

Well…almost never.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transpor ... s-silence/

[Crewbunk]

Simply, it just doesn’t happen.

Well…almost never.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/transpor ... s-silence/

Yes, we all know about Doctor Dao. But, there’s a reason it’s “news” and not just another day at United Airlines.

In fact, the possibility of such an occurrence is why so many safe guards exist and why Crew Scheduling will do their level best to stop it from happening. The last time, I was able to negotiate another day in Geneva (I’d have done it for free), full credit for the deadhead home and …. I got to drop a YVR turn, full credit.

[iflygirl_92]

Dumbest…..thread……ever…….

Not enjoying it Montee?

[flying4dollars]

I don't care if this situation is fact or fiction, nor do I care who iflygirl is. All I know is that this might actually be one of the most entertaining threads on avcanada

On another note there was a very similar post on yammer about this so...take that with whatever grain of salt you will

[bcflyer]

Can you explain that? Does that give them the right to bump me a few hours before the flight?

If it was a few hours before the flight how do you know who bumped you?