digits_ wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:18 pm
Your posts here are doing more damage to pilot unity than the Westjet CEO could ever do. It's not the hardcore 5% that wins a strike. It's the 95% midfield that does, and the support of the public.
Pilots have already proven they don't have the public's support on this one given their outlandish demands.
I think the exact opposite is true. Airlines have not made any friends since covid and I think most recognize that what they deal with once or twice per year, we deal with every day.
Take a look at the online responses to negotiations updates on both the union and company social media accounts. The public is on our side.
How long until the government legislates pilots back to work? Forced arbitration? I heard estimates as short as 5 days. But that's based on here say. Anyone have experience or remember what's happened in the past?
Topoff wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:47 am
How long until the government legislates pilots back to work? Forced arbitration? I heard estimates as short as 5 days. But that's based on here say. Anyone have experience or remember what's happened in the past?
That would stress me out and I would be unfit to fly. And that's not even a joke.
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Topoff wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:47 am
How long until the government legislates pilots back to work? Forced arbitration? I heard estimates as short as 5 days. But that's based on here say. Anyone have experience or remember what's happened in the past?
I heard wearing tight underwear can kill you. It's true. Top scientists agree.
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Topoff wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:47 am
How long until the government legislates pilots back to work? Forced arbitration? I heard estimates as short as 5 days. But that's based on here say. Anyone have experience or remember what's happened in the past?
The past actions of the Harper government were deemed unconstitutional. Most people don’t realize this and are using their actions to predict future events. Rumours.
Back to Work legislation is unconstitutional. With that said it should probably we worded more like. Back to Work legislation is unconstitutional up until the point that it becomes obvious the impasse is not going to resolve itself. So far we only have a few interventions by government under the clarified rules. That looks like about 2 weeks before one can expect there might be intervention. But that is a might.
Government interference too early deleverages employees and tilts the playing field toward the employer. Without the employer knowing their employees can do harm, they won’t negotiate.
So, is it midnight on the 15 for the cooling off period to end?
Do they have to wait for the end or can they issue the 72 hour notice coinciding with the end of the cooling off period, ie; we are now in the 72 hour window and no notice.
Good luck WestJet pilots!
cdnavater wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:08 am
So, is it midnight on the 15 for the cooling off period to end?
Do they have to wait for the end or can they issue the 72 hour notice coinciding with the end of the cooling off period, ie; we are now in the 72 hour window and no notice.
Good luck WestJet pilots!
I heard that the CIRB decision slowed that down. Something about giving WJ until the 23rd to submit an objection to the CIRB ruling, in turn blocking the pilots until after the long weekend.
It is my understanding that the 72 hour strike notice can be given on the 13th at 1 minute past midnight (i.e. tonight). I'm not sure whether the CIRB thing will hold things back or not, it was a last ditch deperate attempt by the company just like the Sunwing wet lease which they did a 180 on within hours. Absolute desperate tactics we're seeing now.
There is some uncertainty and discussion among the pilot group on whether we can press on with a strike notice despite the CIRB giving WJ an extra week to submit additional documentaion. We will find out very soon!
Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:59 am
It is my understanding that the 72 hour strike notice can be given on the 13th at 1 minute past midnight (i.e. tonight). I'm not sure whether the CIRB thing will hold things back or not, it was a last ditch deperate attempt by the company just like the Sunwing wet lease which they did a 180 on within hours. Absolute desperate tactics we're seeing now.
There is some uncertainty and discussion among the pilot group on whether we can press on with a strike notice despite the CIRB giving WJ an extra week to submit additional documentaion. We will find out very soon!
Jesus Christ! what is CIRB? Hold the the line westjet pilots! Don’t start to break historical solidarity, we all have your backs!
Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:59 am
It is my understanding that the 72 hour strike notice can be given on the 13th at 1 minute past midnight (i.e. tonight). I'm not sure whether the CIRB thing will hold things back or not, it was a last ditch deperate attempt by the company just like the Sunwing wet lease which they did a 180 on within hours. Absolute desperate tactics we're seeing now.
There is some uncertainty and discussion among the pilot group on whether we can press on with a strike notice despite the CIRB giving WJ an extra week to submit additional documentaion. We will find out very soon!
Jesus Christ! what is CIRB? Hold the the line westjet pilots! Don’t start to break historical solidarity, we all have your backs!
Thank you! The solidarity and unity between our airline peers right now is incredible.
Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:59 am
It is my understanding that the 72 hour strike notice can be given on the 13th at 1 minute past midnight (i.e. tonight). I'm not sure whether the CIRB thing will hold things back or not, it was a last ditch deperate attempt by the company just like the Sunwing wet lease which they did a 180 on within hours. Absolute desperate tactics we're seeing now.
There is some uncertainty and discussion among the pilot group on whether we can press on with a strike notice despite the CIRB giving WJ an extra week to submit additional documentaion. We will find out very soon!
I’m sure your MEC will make that decision based on sound legal advise. No one wants to accidentally invite government intervention. A week or so delay won’t mean squat in the end.
averageatbest wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:18 pm
Please remember that when you see someone walking past the picket line in uniform, they are more likely to be a sympathetic Encore pilot than a scab.
If you want to see who's operating any WS or WO flight, you can see it through ICAS Tools using the Atlas app.
Encore pilots are behind you and will be supporting in every way we can in the bounds of our contractual obligations.
Because you advertised this on here the Icas app access has now been shut down for every pilot in the company. Nice work. Just think next time please!
Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 9:47 am
CIRB issue now closed. Union email just came out. We are not deemed essential and can strike as early as May 16th.
Cool! And thanks for getting ICAS access shut down. It was a great tool for more than just creeping operating crew you know. Try exercising a little bit more discipline about the information you publish to a public forum please.
Edit to say sorry to Canadaflyer46. It wasn't you who mentioned ICAS. I'll leave the post to take ownership of my error and as conciliation for being an ass towards you.
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Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 9:47 am
CIRB issue now closed. Union email just came out. We are not deemed essential and can strike as early as May 16th.
Cool! And thanks for getting ICAS access shut down. It was a great tool for more than just creeping operating crew you know. Try exercising a little bit more discipline about the information you publish to a public forum please.
You are chiding the wrong poster, Canadaflyer46 was thanking the one who did post the information, that being said, I’m sure a pilot who was planning on scabbing would have had it shut down anyway.
Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 9:47 am
CIRB issue now closed. Union email just came out. We are not deemed essential and can strike as early as May 16th.
Cool! And thanks for getting ICAS access shut down. It was a great tool for more than just creeping operating crew you know. Try exercising a little bit more discipline about the information you publish to a public forum please.
You are chiding the wrong poster, Canadaflyer46 was thanking the one who did post the information, that being said, I’m sure a pilot who was planning on scabbing would have had it shut down anyway.
You are correct. It was @averageatbest. My apologies to @Canadaflyer46. The heat of the moment got the best of me.
averageatbest wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 10:18 pm
If my post was the reason why the tool was taken down, we are more f'd than I thought.
It was. I haven’t been in Avcanda in like five years. It was great for commuting. Thanks for fucking it up.
Don’t go to hard on averagebeast, sounds like genuine mistake and if it wasn’t him would have been someone else. And it wouldn’t have been long into a strike that the other side would have connected that dot anyway.. don’t start infighting now destroying all the goodwill and solidarity we as pilots have created. We’re all in this together! Sure it is unfortunate but c’est la vie.
what is CIRB? Hold the the line westjet pilots! Don’t start to break historical solidarity, we all have your backs!what is CIRB? Hold the the line westjet pilots! Don’t start to break historical solidarity, we all have your backs!
