Sky regional 2.0

[truedude]

You could always take a few days off at your current job, and walk out of the GS if the base and type doesn't suit you. If it happens a few times, I'm sure they'll adjust. Or maybe not, they might start overbooking GS expecting people to quit on day 2. It is an airline after all.

They already extend more offers than spots, expecting people not to show. And they still didn't manage to get 20 last week.

Yikes!

Overbooking their training slots. Impressive....
Maybe they can make some money of reselling their unused training slots?

Sims aren't booked that far in advance. And even of they are, they need them to deal with delays, extra sums, etc

[Loon-A-Tic]

They already extend more offers than spots, expecting people not to show. And they still didn't manage to get 20 last week.

Yikes!

Overbooking their training slots. Impressive....
Maybe they can make some money of reselling their unused training slots?

Sims aren't booked that far in advance. And even of they are, they need them to deal with delays, extra sums, etc

There's only one E-175 sim in Canada and only one company flying the E-175 in Canada, booking sim isn't an issue they need to fuss over.
However I guess that could change with PAL now getting into the "regional game".

[rudder]

They tell you in the interview that you could be awarded any of the bases and types. If anyone has a problem with that they don’t have to accept the job offer. It’s not like it’s a surprise when you show up for groundschool. At least it’s not 2 weeks until you know like AC

Instead of making it a more attractive employment option for QUALIFIED CANDIDATES, Jazz is making announcements expanding the Pathways Program.

Perhaps this will fill the GS seats. Time will tell.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/j ... 45923.html

[Inverted2]

It’s only kicking the can down the road.... Jazz is now paying captains less than Bearskin/Perimeter with their new tentative contract.

[Nick678]

Even if we get a meaningful wage increase the overall QOL is pretty terrible here (base pending I guess). There is no growth and little movement without flow.

I doubt Jazz would match Porter’s E2/Westjet/flair wages so it would do nothing to stop people and only just make senior pilots happier, pilots who weren’t leaving anyways.

I will admit that wages are only one piece and the contract is superior to others in some ways but they need to fix flow to AC.

[rudder]

It’s only kicking the can down the road.... Jazz is now paying captains less than Bearskin/Perimeter with their new tentative contract.

Yup. But everything will be ok, right?

Much like AC, Jazz needs to hit a home run. Instead, it appears that a bunt is the next play.

[C-GGGQ]

They tell you in the interview that you could be awarded any of the bases and types. If anyone has a problem with that they don’t have to accept the job offer. It’s not like it’s a surprise when you show up for groundschool. At least it’s not 2 weeks until you know like AC

Instead of making it a more attractive employment option for QUALIFIED CANDIDATES, Jazz is making announcements expanding the Pathways Program.

Perhaps this will fill the GS seats. Time will tell.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/j ... 45923.html

I’m very curious about this because Air Medic already stopped construction on their YQB hangar because they’re bankrupt and it sounds like they’ll soon be for sale….

[Inverted2]

Well it looks like the YYZ MEC CA rep took overtime for tomorrow to help keep the operation going so I don’t see much hope for getting any raises at this place.

[canadian_aviator_4]

Welcome to the aviation circus know as jazz. The most toxic and least desirable company to work in Canadian Aviation, with no improvements on the horizon. Just emails from the MEC indicating they are talking with the company, while at the same time picking up OT.

[tango308]

Well it looks like the YYZ MEC CA rep took overtime for tomorrow to help keep the operation going so I don’t see much hope for getting any raises at this place.

Not here to defend anyone but how can you know they've picked up OT since FLICA schedule view has been disabled?

[Inverted2]

I was called for OT and turned it down. Then I looked on AMU reports and saw who took it.

[kiaszceski]

Well it looks like the YYZ MEC CA rep took overtime for tomorrow to help keep the operation going so I don’t see much hope for getting any raises at this place.

Not here to defend anyone but how can you know they've picked up OT since FLICA schedule view has been disabled?

Wondering why it got disabled...

[Inverted2]

Well it looks like the YYZ MEC CA rep took overtime for tomorrow to help keep the operation going so I don’t see much hope for getting any raises at this place.

Not here to defend anyone but how can you know they've picked up OT since FLICA schedule view has been disabled?

Wondering why it got disabled...

“Privacy concerns”. Aka: you could see who was doing all the overtime. Some of the MEC were observed doing insane amounts of overtime. I remember one on full flight release doing 85 hrs of overtime in 1 month. Someone pointed out he probably made nearly 35k since it was double time then.

[rudder]

Not here to defend anyone but how can you know they've picked up OT since FLICA schedule view has been disabled?

Wondering why it got disabled...

“Privacy concerns”. Aka: you could see who was doing all the overtime. Some of the MEC were observed doing insane amounts of overtime. I remember one on full flight release doing 85 hrs of overtime in 1 month. Someone pointed out he probably made nearly 35k since it was double time then.

Well, somebody (or many somebody’s) voted for these reps. And these reps set the rules.

When you see something going on that you don’t like, look in the mirror. They are you. Because you elected them. And you let them get away with this.

[kiaszceski]

Not here to defend anyone but how can you know they've picked up OT since FLICA schedule view has been disabled?

Wondering why it got disabled...

“Privacy concerns”. Aka: you could see who was doing all the overtime. Some of the MEC were observed doing insane amounts of overtime. I remember one on full flight release doing 85 hrs of overtime in 1 month. Someone pointed out he probably made nearly 35k since it was double time then.

The reps probably complained about it eh... what a wonderful company.

[tango308]

I was called for OT and turned it down. Then I looked on AMU reports and saw who took it.

Makes sense. Another way to see it is WDO tracker -> Assignements. If we talking about the MEC chair, his name is not coming up on it.

[Rowdy]

Wondering why it got disabled...

“Privacy concerns”. Aka: you could see who was doing all the overtime. Some of the MEC were observed doing insane amounts of overtime. I remember one on full flight release doing 85 hrs of overtime in 1 month. Someone pointed out he probably made nearly 35k since it was double time then.

Well, somebody (or many somebody’s) voted for these reps. And these reps set the rules.

When you see something going on that you don’t like, look in the mirror. They are you. Because you elected them. And you let them get away with this.

'We' Don't vote for the MEC chair and vice chair. We vote for LEC reps at each base. I think that needs to change.

If the pilot group did vote for the MEC, then you would see a very very different MEC.

I also think that the second an FO rep is awarded a captains seat, there should be a by-election.

[Rowdy]

I was called for OT and turned it down. Then I looked on AMU reports and saw who took it.

I'm never surprised when I look in the AMU reports and previously the schedule lookup function before that was 'removed' for the as stated 'privacy concerns'. Its the same three people in YVR consistently.

I will tell you, our YVR reps aren't doing it. Both are commuters. Its not junior people trying to make mortgage payments.

I am on the No call list and still occasionally see CS come up on my phone. I just won't even answer anymore.

I don't pay attention to the happenings east of the prairies.

Perhaps when WAWCON improves I could be enticed. But I'll have to be working 15 days or less and paid double time to even consider WDO's

[rudder]

“Privacy concerns”. Aka: you could see who was doing all the overtime. Some of the MEC were observed doing insane amounts of overtime. I remember one on full flight release doing 85 hrs of overtime in 1 month. Someone pointed out he probably made nearly 35k since it was double time then.

Well, somebody (or many somebody’s) voted for these reps. And these reps set the rules.

When you see something going on that you don’t like, look in the mirror. They are you. Because you elected them. And you let them get away with this.

'We' Don't vote for the MEC chair and vice chair. We vote for LEC reps at each base. I think that needs to change.

If the pilot group did vote for the MEC, then you would see a very very different MEC.

I also think that the second an FO rep is awarded a captains seat, there should be a by-election.

All true. But I don’t think ALPA will be changing its Constitution any time soon.

Re: ALPA Volunteer Overtime Limits (or lack thereof)

This flows from the JAZ MEC Policy Manual. It is amended by a vote of the status reps. MEC Executive are administrators and cannot vote (except MEC Chair to break a tie but cannot overrule a roll call vote).

It is the status reps. They set policy.

[Rowdy]

rudder,

I'm not complaining about reps or anyone for that matter doing WDO's. To each their own. I do subscribe to the theory that no one accepting WDO's this summer while we are massively short staffed would benefit the pilot groups quest for higher wawcon and give us some more leverage. It would really amplify the issue to the company. But, everyone is free to do what they wish with their time.

What I do complain about is excess or shady business or the use of grey areas and loopholes to benefit one self when the whole premise of a union is the unity to improve conditions for ALL parties.

You are right. Nothing will change. The status reps won't push to change a system that works for them.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Well it looks like the YYZ MEC CA rep took overtime for tomorrow to help keep the operation going so I don’t see much hope for getting any raises at this place.

Not here to defend anyone but how can you know they've picked up OT since FLICA schedule view has been disabled?

Wondering why it got disabled...

is that KB ?

[Malfunction]

If all this negotiations ends in a flop Claude needs to step down

[truedude]

If all this negotiations ends in a flop Claude needs to step down

Not sure what anyone would have done differently in his place. But I think it is becoming clear nothing is going to happen. Hence the stampede for the exits.

Anyone know when the next WJ ground school is. Two weeks before that date should be a good indicator of what is going to happen.

[goleafsgo]

If all this negotiations ends in a flop Claude needs to step down

Not sure what anyone would have done differently in his place. But I think it is becoming clear nothing is going to happen. Hence the stampede for the exits.

Anyone know when the next WJ ground school is. Two weeks before that date should be a good indicator of what is going to happen.

July 3 and every 2 weeks after I believe

[rudder]

If all this negotiations ends in a flop Claude needs to step down

Not sure what anyone would have done differently in his place. But I think it is becoming clear nothing is going to happen. Hence the stampede for the exits.

Anyone know when the next WJ ground school is. Two weeks before that date should be a good indicator of what is going to happen.

This MEC and this Negotiating Committee need to accept their part in where Jazz finds itself today. They are, for the most part, the authors of the train wreck CBA that is crippling hiring and retention at Jazz.

This deal, which had its roots in 2015, was supposed to create stability, job security, and career progression.

How is that all working out now?

This MEC said “the pay will fix itself”.

How is that working out now?

Part of strategic planning is to avoid worst case outcomes. Right now, hundreds of Jazz pilots are being disadvantaged in the AC hiring sequence and AC is still looking at ‘workarounds’ for Express flying that Jazz is incapable of staffing.

Were either of these developments anticipated? Could they have been mitigated? Is it acceptable to just throw up your hands and say “it’s not our fault”.

In bargaining, it certainly helps if you are brighter than your counterparty. But if you are not brighter, then at least you should be better prepared. Preparation includes identifying paths that point away from the abyss.

Maybe we will all be surprised and see a rabbit pulled out of the hat. But in reality the damage is already done. Now seemingly all the MEC can do is triage.

The pilot supply chain shortfall has created bargaining leverage at most properties. But if the employer will not acknowledge the problem it must be a very one-sided conversation.