E2 pax loads on eastern routes

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Re: E2 pax loads on eastern routes

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kiaszceski wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:41 am Interesting to see more people going to YYZ than the other way around. I thought the loads would be close as people have to go back home at some point.
I think it depends on timings.

My flights to YYZ on Weekends / Sundays / early monday have been full. It's the flights back that vary. I know my flights to YYZ have had alot of business travellers (have seen a few people I know regularly). We all come back at different points in the week.

Either way... if they can make it work with 50 seats on average, then great.

FYI, the seat maps are NOT a representation of available seats. Certain seats are blocked for weight/balance based on sales. Every flight I've been on Reserve shows as fully blocked off and I've been upgraded on half of them (I fly on passes)
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Re: E2 pax loads on eastern routes

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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:08 am
ziggy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:28 am What's fuel burn at cruise
1600-1700 pph with a full boat at higher 30 at .77/.78
I’m assuming that’s per engine. In which case that’s still more per passenger than either the max or neo and there is no way they are making money with less than 80-100 people in them.
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Re: E2 pax loads on eastern routes

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fish4life wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:01 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:08 am
ziggy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:28 am What's fuel burn at cruise
1600-1700 pph with a full boat at higher 30 at .77/.78
I’m assuming that’s per engine. In which case that’s still more per passenger than either the max or neo and there is no way they are making money with less than 80-100 people in them.
It is per engine. What does the max burn with full boat? Im genuinely curious and have never flown one.
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Re: E2 pax loads on eastern routes

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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:53 pm
fish4life wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:01 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:08 am

1600-1700 pph with a full boat at higher 30 at .77/.78
I’m assuming that’s per engine. In which case that’s still more per passenger than either the max or neo and there is no way they are making money with less than 80-100 people in them.
It is per engine. What does the max burn with full boat? Im genuinely curious and have never flown one.
I found this Wikipedia entry, it’s kind of interesting but I haven’t looked to closely to see the references for the information, it compares many aircraft and breaks it down to distances of the trips, unfortunately the E2-195 is only referenced in the 500-700nm, essentially very similar fuel burn to the Max8.
It also seems like the e2-195 sweet spot is 500 nm, at 600nm it burns 10.91lbs/mile, the max 8 at 660nm is 10.8lbs/mile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_aircraft
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Re: E2 pax loads on eastern routes

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cdnavater wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 2:40 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:53 pm
fish4life wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:01 pm

I’m assuming that’s per engine. In which case that’s still more per passenger than either the max or neo and there is no way they are making money with less than 80-100 people in them.
It is per engine. What does the max burn with full boat? Im genuinely curious and have never flown one.
I found this Wikipedia entry, it’s kind of interesting but I haven’t looked to closely to see the references for the information, it compares many aircraft and breaks it down to distances of the trips, unfortunately the E2-195 is only referenced in the 500-700nm, essentially very similar fuel burn to the Max8.
It also seems like the e2-195 sweet spot is 500 nm, at 600nm it burns 10.91lbs/mile, the max 8 at 660nm is 10.8lbs/mile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_aircraft
Cool read. Thanks. I do agree there is definitely a sweet spot for all aircraft types. Thanks!
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