Honest answer. polio and measle were well understood because they were endemic for hundreds of years. The COVID virus was novel. It had never existed before the first cases appeared in late 2019. Researchers gave recommendations based on what they understood at the time. As more data was gathered the recommendations evolved. This is a good thing, it means that the public health system is working to achieve the best possible outcomes. Initially it was hoped that the vaccine would prevent infection and there is some data that this was largely true for the very first variant. However it was quickly discovered that this virus was particularly agile and rapidly evolved. The good news is that the initial vaccination formulation and all subsequent ones were very affective at limiting the progression of the the infections dramatically limiting the number of people who got so sick they required hospitalization, but yes was less effective at stopping the initial infection.khedrei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:15 pmOk, so to be clear, you deny that government, media, and big pharma made the claim that if you took these vaccines, you wouldn't get covid? And that they claimed that everyone should take it to prevent transmission? Again, that would explain the disconnect.kgb531 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:09 pm The XBB 1.5 vaccine isn't supposed to prevent infection or eliminate transmission. That's not the purpose of any vaccine. Those are merely ancillary benefits. Reducing the load on the healthcare system is.
khedrei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:07 pm
I'm using the logic that our government agencies and the pharma industry plastered in our faces claiming that the vaccines stopped transmission and infection. It turned out to be complete BS. You can slice it any which way you'd like. If you are claiming they never said that you are only fooling yourself you certainly aren't fooling me. They also used that claim of effectiveness to justify the mandates and firing people if they didn't take the shots. The safety of others they said.
Deny it all you want. The shots didn't work as advertised. Thats a basic fact that even the MRNA supporters I know even acknowledge. You keep believing what you want though.
I'm also really not sure why you feel the need to call me an anti vaxxer for pointing out that a vaccine didn't work as advertised. I've also had about 20 vaccines in my life, if that makes me an anti vaxxer then you should acknowledge that you also are, for not taking the 8th covid shot. That seems to be the way people go nowadays though... if you don't agree with someone, call them names so you don't have to engage with them or acknowledge their basic common sense points. Right wing nut job, conspiracy theorist, anti vaxxer. Keep up the name calling. You and cdnavatar must be best friends. Like children that never grew up.
The numbers from pharma and our government also say that if you are still getting shots, YOU are the minority. The other 80% of the country has rejected further doses.
I would also disagree with your claim that the purpose of any vaccine isn't to prevent infection. Im pretty sure that is exactly what the polio and measles vaccines do. They prevent infection. Have I missed something? Thats an honest question, no undertone there.
Was the public health systems response to COVID perfect, absolutely not. Did it work to reduce the severity of COVID infections thus saving the health care system from collapsing and a dramatically higher death rate, Absolutely yes.
I know this is unsatisfying to people who want certainty but the scary thing from my point of view is what happens when the next novel pathogen appears, and it is when not if. I do not see how working to undermine the public health system is going to make dealing with the next bug better.
