Not an accident— this time.

[rookiepilot]

Another night flight. Every day, back and forth.

Wonder if this will go daily though December

[Tbayer2021]

Anyone seriously worried about this should probably get in contact with the pilot or TC. Not sure what voicing your concerns and critiques on a forum will accomplish.

[rookiepilot]

Wonder if this will go daily though December

Thinking of selling 50/50 squares with the date of the last cross lake flight this coming winter —-
EDITED WHAT IS OBVIOUS — THIS MEANS BEFORE THIS PILOT DECIDES TO FLY 10 MINUTES LONGER BECAUSE THE LAKE IS FINALLY SO COLD AS WINTER APPROACHES —-

[Tbayer2021]

Wonder if this will go daily though December

Thinking of selling 50/50 squares with the date of the last cross lake flight this coming winter.

From virtue signalling to betting on someones demise in 12 days.

[pelmet]

Anyone seriously worried about this should probably get in contact with the pilot or TC. Not sure what voicing your concerns and critiques on a forum will accomplish.

It could be interesting for someone to go down to the aircraft and politely ask about it, stating that this has been brought up in a pilot forum.

A lot of people like to talk about their flying, perhaps this person would like to as well.

[rookiepilot]

Wonder if this will go daily though December

Thinking of selling 50/50 squares with the date of the last cross lake flight this coming winter.

From virtue signalling to betting on someones demise in 12 days.

Excuse me? It’s precisely the opposite, I would rather not read about anyones death.


The bet is for when this pilot finally decides the lake is too cold and perhaps these overwater low level flights are unwise at least until spring. Or summer. Or not at all.

Perhaps someone who sees this will either A) reflect on their own risk decisions, or B) see this and talk to this pilot about theirs.

[Tbayer2021]

Thinking of selling 50/50 squares with the date of the last cross lake flight this coming winter.

From virtue signalling to betting on someones demise in 12 days.

Excuse me?

The bet is for when this pilot finally decides the lake is too cold and perhaps these overwater low level flights are unwise at least until spring.

Perhaps someone who sees this will either A) reflect on their own risk decisions, or B) see this and talk to this pilot about theirs.


I suggest you stop being fascinated with my every post, and return to arguing with other jazz, encore, or porter FO’s about your abysmal pay, on the professional pilots side.

You could be that person that talks to them, rookie, since you're so concerned and all.

I don't know why you'd think I'm fascinated with your every post. Do I reply to your every post? Do I even reply to a majority of them? This thread of yours is 3 pages deep before I said anything. You on the other hand, seem to pipe up right after me quite often. Didn't take you long to reply to my comment in that Transat thread. Projecting much?

Unlike you, I'm both a professional and active GA pilot.

[rookiepilot]

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[Tbayer2021]

Anyone seriously worried about this should probably get in contact with the pilot or TC. Not sure what voicing your concerns and critiques on a forum will accomplish.

It could be interesting for someone to go down to the aircraft and politely ask about it, stating that this has been brought up in a pilot forum.

A lot of people like to talk about their flying, perhaps this person would like to as well.

It was an honest suggestion. Maybe this pilot doesn't realize the potential dangers of what he's doing and would be open to a conversation about it. But I guess some would rather just criticize and make bets.

Imagine sitting at home and getting worked up while tracking a stranger's flight on flight radar. My life of wearing my uniform to the mall doesn't seem so sad after all

[Tbayer2021]

Not sure what voicing your concerns and critiques on a forum will accomplish.

If you have a problem with my posts take it up with the moderators.

They already seem to be doing a fine job at moderating many of your posts. Should take a look at page one if you haven't noticed.

[cdnavater]

Thinking of selling 50/50 squares with the date of the last cross lake flight this coming winter.

From virtue signalling to betting on someones demise in 12 days.

The bet is for when this pilot finally decides the lake is too cold and perhaps these overwater low level flights are unwise at least until spring. Or summer. Or not at all.

You are so full a shit, if you didn’t want to imply “last” flight you wouldn’t have used and could have worded it differently, like when he decides to use the shore this winter!
How long did you sit there to figure out how you could write it with plausible deniability?

[rookiepilot]

From virtue signalling to betting on someones demise in 12 days.

The bet is for when this pilot finally decides the lake is too cold and perhaps these overwater low level flights are unwise at least until spring. Or summer. Or not at all.

You are so full a shit, if you didn’t want to imply “last” flight you wouldn’t have used and could have worded it differently, like when he decides to use the shore this winter!
How long did you sit there to figure out how you could write it with plausible deniability?

It’s unbelievably , mind blowingly, stupid PDM. Thats the point, yes?

Can’t believe whoever this is does this flight every day, multiple times a day, to save 10 minutes!

Never seen anything like it. You all are much braver than me I guess.

[Tbayer2021]

The bet is for when this pilot finally decides the lake is too cold and perhaps these overwater low level flights are unwise at least until spring. Or summer. Or not at all.

You are so full a shit, if you didn’t want to imply “last” flight you wouldn’t have used and could have worded it differently, like when he decides to use the shore this winter!
How long did you sit there to figure out how you could write it with plausible deniability?

It’s unbelievably , mind blowingly, stupid PDM. Thats the point, yes?

Can’t believe whoever this is does this flight every day, multiple times a day, to save 10 minutes!

Never seen anything like it. You all are much braver than me I guess.

Seriously, Rookie, I'm not taking a piss here. Clearly you feel strongly about what this person is doing and tracking them down wouldn't be difficult. They may not realize the potential dangers of what they're doing. Why don't you try to reach out? Plenty of my irresponsible actions were brought to my attention during my early years of flying and I usually listened. This person may very well be quite receptive to your opinions.

[SeptRepair]

Rookie. So what are your thoughts on aerobatics? Ever complain about the unnecessary risk of flying so close to the ground inverted or any of the other maneuvers that that push the limits of aircraft and pilot? By your logic that is reckless and stupid.

[pelmet]

If someone has an issue with safety, perhaps they should read this......

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... versations

Safety Spotlight: Difficult conversations
When it’s time to speak up, and when it’s not
November 1, 2020
By Richard McSpadden

A friend and I were standing on the edge of the grass runway at Johnson Creek, Idaho, admiring the scenery. We noticed a Cessna 182 on final. It dropped low, then accelerated in a high-speed, low-altitude fly-by northbound up the runway.
AOPA Air Safety Institute Senior Vice President Richard McSpadden is a CFII and MEI, and has logged more than 1,000 hours of dual instruction given.
We looked at each other with raised eyebrows. The act was so clearly out of place— and potentially dangerous—in that peaceful backcountry. My friend Andrew Simmons asked, “Should we say something?”

We briefly discussed doing so as we watched the pilot pitch up to downwind, land, and taxi up to his waiting family. But we decided against it, justifying that we didn’t want to be confrontational—we didn’t want to embarrass the pilot. Mostly, I think, we didn’t want to disrupt the pleasurable atmosphere of an enjoyable, sunny day out flying.

I regret our inaction. We had an opportunity to strengthen the GA culture, and we let it slip by. As general aviation pilots, we own our culture. It’s a rich culture that has developed through decades of camaraderie, passion, and mutual support. We are better, safer pilots than we were decades ago, in part because of this culture. Through the years, I’ve benefited from pilots who took time to ask a probing question, offer a suggestion, or deliver a private rebuke when appropriate.

These kinds of conversations can help pilots, yet having them can be awkward, requiring careful consideration beforehand. I’ve had to ask myself, is the time right? Is the pilot receptive? Am I confident in broaching the subject? Knowing when to have a dialog is tricky since we rarely understand all the facts in a situation. Often there are gray areas; there may not be a clear right or wrong.

That day, the pilot of the 182 did nothing illegal, but the fly-by was misguided and out of place in that backcountry setting. As a general rule, if something looks odd, feels wrong, or just seems strange, it’s probably worth a conversation. A lot of times, the assessment of another pilot is helpful in determining whether a situation warrants discussion. Our simultaneous raised eyebrows confirmed our personal instincts.

How you approach a fellow pilot can result in making a positive influence or making an enemy. In the U.S. Air Force fighter community, we used a blunt-force, direct frontal assault method. We could. Flying was our job. We were forced together day in and day out in a military setting. There was no option to “disengage.” This style is inappropriate for GA, where most of us fly part-time and for recreation. We can separate from people or situations we find unpleasant. As humans, we typically respond to confrontation in a fight-or-flight manner. Handled poorly, we can expect a fellow pilot to respond with hostility, or to politely shut down and walk away.

Having difficult conversations is an art. Know that your perspective isn’t the only or “right” perspective. Approach the situation with an expectation that you may very well be the one who is enlightened by the exchange. Start with a question and continue a series of questions, seeking to understand thoroughly. Author Stephen R. Covey said, “Seek first to understand, then to be understood.” These conversations are typically better held one on one. By engaging in a series of questions to understand the situation and the pilot’s thinking, you help them think out loud, and they end up admonishing themselves. Being criticized is unpleasant, yet people yearn to improve and get better. It’s more effective when people reason themselves to a correction, rather than have one thrust upon them.

Andrew and I have always regretted that we missed an opportunity to help a pilot look at a situation differently, and perhaps enhance safety.

A few years ago, the AOPA Air Safety Institute was asked to hold a safety session for a community that experienced an inordinate number of mishaps and then a tragic accident. The disappointing finding during our visit was that several in the community witnessed the accident pilot perform misguided, unsafe actions in the past—yet no one ever confronted him. The community now deeply regrets their inaction.

I’m not advocating that we become a collection of critical and confrontational pilots, constantly on the prowl for someone to correct, like a Dwight Schrute (from the series The Office) of the airport—paranoid, narrow-minded, poised to critique and correct. I’m talking about addressing the dangerous or inappropriate behavior we occasionally see. The manner in which we say something to fellow pilots about their flying and how to do it can be an art—an art worth developing. We own the GA culture. The actions of each pilot reflect on all of us. Go fly.

Talking on a forum is not likely to accomplish anything.

[rookiepilot]

Talking on a forum is not likely to accomplish anything.

Strongly disagree.

This raises awareness. Opens a dialog.

Like it or not, places like this are the new clubhouse.

Besides, I am not trying to reach this pilot. That is unlikely to happen.

I am trying to reach a different type of pilot, a newer or student pilot, that might think this is cool or harmless, and perhaps will reconsider their present or future risk management decisions, upon reflection or reading this.

That was the audience that who this thread was intended for all along.

But thank you all for your advice. It is not needed.

[rookiepilot]

Rookie. So what are your thoughts on aerobatics? Ever complain about the unnecessary risk of flying so close to the ground inverted or any of the other maneuvers that that push the limits of aircraft and pilot? By your logic that is reckless and stupid.

Completely different in my view. I know little about it, but understand the planes are certified to a higher G loading, and there is training available to manage the risk.

Flying is risky. Driving is risky.

Its about the specific risk reward ratio here. Its saving 10-15 minutes, at the risk of almost certain death, if the little thingy that makes it go, quits.

[digits_]

Rookie. So what are your thoughts on aerobatics? Ever complain about the unnecessary risk of flying so close to the ground inverted or any of the other maneuvers that that push the limits of aircraft and pilot? By your logic that is reckless and stupid.

Completely different in my view. I know little about it, but understand the planes are certified to a higher G loading, and there is training available to manage the risk.

Flying is risky. Driving is risky.

Its about the specific risk reward ratio here. Its saving 10-15 minutes, at the risk of almost certain death, if the little thingy that makes it go, quits.

Try and take the emotion out of it. Try and estimate what the chance of a lethal accident is by factoring in a crossing vs a detour. It will quite probably be insignificant because airplane crashes are (luckily) rare.

The opposite of your argument could be "flying 10 less minutes is safer because if I would have gotten a heart attack in those 10 minutes the plane would have crashed. At least on the ground help can reach me"

Depending on the age of the pilot, a heart attack could be more likely than an engine failure.

[digits_]

But thank you all for your advice. It is not needed.

You really are the poster boy for irony, aren't you?

[goldeneagle]

Folks all uptight about somebody that commutes across the lake in an light plane.

There is ofc an alternative, spend a couple hours on the QEW and face an endless stream of idiot drivers, any one of which can put you in a fatal accident on short notice.

Do a risk analysis, the risk of getting wet on that flight is pretty low. Flight is roughly 28 miles, at 3000 feet the exposure to getting wet is roughly 16 of the 28, so roughly 10 minutes. The risk of that just up and stopping during that 10 minutes is very very small if you ensure there isn't to much air in the tanks, then dont touch the power settings during that piece of the flight. Now compare that risk to the risk of being in a serious accident by taking the QEW as some here have suggested as a preferable alternative.

But I do find it interesting to note, a poster that is pretty prolific about the attitude of 'get out of my life' criticizing what he calls 'woke' folks he feels are imposing their world view on his life, is now doing exactly that on this subject.

[Tbayer2021]

But I do find it interesting to note, a poster that is pretty prolific about the attitude of 'get out of my life' criticizing what he calls 'woke' folks he feels are imposing their world view on his life, is now doing exactly that on this subject.

Those with the hardest stance and loudest opinions are often guilty of that which they criticize

[braaap Braap]

From virtue signalling to betting on someones demise in 12 days.

Excuse me?

The bet is for when this pilot finally decides the lake is too cold and perhaps these overwater low level flights are unwise at least until spring.

Perhaps someone who sees this will either A) reflect on their own risk decisions, or B) see this and talk to this pilot about theirs.


I suggest you stop being fascinated with my every post, and return to arguing with other jazz, encore, or porter FO’s about your abysmal pay, on the professional pilots side.

You could be that person that talks to them, rookie, since you're so concerned and all.

I don't know why you'd think I'm fascinated with your every post. Do I reply to your every post? Do I even reply to a majority of them? This thread of yours is 3 pages deep before I said anything. You on the other hand, seem to pipe up right after me quite often. Didn't take you long to reply to my comment in that Transat thread. Projecting much?

Unlike you, I'm both a professional and active GA pilot.

No horse in this race but you do come across as obsessed with the guy. Every thread features some duel between you two. Usually instigated by you

[albertdesalvo]

It could be interesting for someone to go down to the aircraft and politely ask about it, stating that this has been brought up in a pilot forum. A lot of people like to talk about their flying, perhaps this person would like to as well.

Doesn't pdw live around the airport of origin? He could whip over and have a chat with the pilot about hypothermia and variable tailwinds.

[tsgarp]

Wonder if this will go daily though December

Thinking of selling 50/50 squares with the date of the last cross lake flight this coming winter.

You’re a jackass. Please shut your cakehole.

[rookiepilot]

Yet Another troll fascinated with my posts to the point of misquoting what I obviously meant.

And has been edited for the dense.

And clarified directly right after to another troll.

In other words you’re lying.

Piss off.

Excuse me? It’s precisely the opposite, I would rather not read about anyones death.

The blatant trolling is not going to work here.

The bet is for when this pilot finally decides the lake is too cold and perhaps these overwater low level flights are unwise at least until spring. Or summer. Or not at all.