Trump threatens immediate 25% tariffs on Canada

[rookiepilot]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... my-sources

President-elect Trump suggested to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau last week that if a tariff for failing to address trade and immigration issues would kill the neighbor to the north’s economy, maybe it should become the 51st state, sources told Fox News.

The president-elect told the prime minister if Canada cannot fix the border issues and trade deficit, he will levy a 25% tariff on all Canadian goods on day one when he returns to office.

Trudeau told Trump he cannot levy the tariff because it would kill the Canadian economy completely. Trump replied – asking, so your country can't survive unless it's ripping off the U.S. to the tune of $100 billion?

Trump then suggested to Trudeau that Canada become the 51st state, which caused the prime minister and others to laugh nervously, sources told Fox News.


But he continued, telling Trudeau that prime minister is a better title, though he could still be governor of the 51st state.

Sources told Fox News someone at the table chimed in and advised Trump that Canada would be a very liberal state, which received even more laughter. Trump suggested that Canada could possibly become two states: a conservative and a liberal one.

He told Trudeau that if he cannot handle his list of demands without ripping the U.S. off in trade, maybe Canada should really become a state or two and Trudeau could become a governor.

While sources say the exchange got many laughs, Trump delivered the message that he expected change by January 20.


What have gotten with a man-child, teenager weak joke of a leader.

This would never have happened with Harper….say what you want, no doubt he commanded international respect.

[CpnCrunch]

Took me a while to find, but it looks like the vast majority of their trade deficit is due to "Oils, Minerals, Lime, Cement " (presumably crude oil), with a small proportion from wood and metals:

https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/docum ... anada/file

So, the solution seems pretty simple: shut down the Keystone pipeline. That will fix the deficit with Canada, and shift it to other countries, which is presumably what he wants?

[pelmet]

Apparently Justin said that tariffs implemented because of his stupid policies as PM would decimate our economy. Then Trump said that Canada could become the 51st state.

Justin begged and pleaded for this not to happen and Trump said there was only one wat that Justin could avoid this. Apparently, the entire liberal and NDP members of parliament have to do the trump dance together every morning until they are unceremoniously tossed out of office. Same with Bob and BigQ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LdgAVqngxc

[BigQ]

I love how you can't take a joke.

[co-joe]

Some Americans see us handing them the C series as a result of the last Trump round of illegal tariffs as a real positive for their country. We essentially handed them American manufacturing jobs, the fact that it destroyed a Canadian industry is a positive to them. Less competition for Boeing now. Who knows what Canadian industries will suffer the same fate in the next round of illegal tariffs? I'm sure our autoworkers, softwood lumber, oil and gas will all feel this if we don't find a way to stand up for ourselves.

[wowaddict]

TRUMP is cleaning house, and we love it. Get on board and dump prime minister Black Face or get the hell out of the way.

You know that Trump’s tarrifs are going to push inflation in the US even higher right?

How will tarrifs increase the money supply?

[North Shore]

I’m no economist but I thought that the general idea was that tariffs will make things more expensive to buy - thus, inflation?

[redlaser]

The americans still owe us the canadians four billion dollars in the soft lumber dispute, we took the americans to the international court and won but the americans did not refund us all that was owed, four billion dollars is still owing to the lumber companies that paid out the American tariffs. So before Trump the convicted criminal imposes any tarrifs on Canada he should pay us the 4 billion owed.

[SpyPilot]

9 blathering idiot posts in one day.

[redlaser]

This rookiepilot guy has over 7000 posts on this website an average of 1.7 per day. He is a wannabe pilot or just a kid.

[SpyPilot]

4,781 dipshit.

On the 13th you tapped out 9 mind-numbingly stupid posts yourself.

5 redlaser polluted threads locked.

I, along with many others here, grow weary of your foolishness.

[pelmet]

Solar and wind are the cheapest power source per kWH, but the Fraser Institute won't tell you that.

Bingo Fuel doesn't tell us this....

"Germany's push for wind power is leading to rising energy bills, experts have warned.

Germany has been one of the biggest adopters of wind power, almost doubling its capacity from 38.6 gigawatts in 2014 to just under 70 gigawatts today.

However, chronic bottlenecks in the grid are preventing power from getting to those who need it and driving up the cost of electricity for everyone.

And now, leading energy experts say the same thing could happen in the UK after Ed Miliband is acussed of being 'obsessed' with renewable power.

Almost three-quarters of the nation's wind power projects are located out at sea in the North while its most power-intensive industries are clustered in the South - meaning that electricity must travel the entire length of the country.

When this green network produces more power than the outdated grid can handle, operators often have to pay producers to reduce their output.

Worryingly, as Labour plans for a massive wind power expansion, experts warn that the UK's grid could face similar issues.

Jan Rosenow, an energy markets expert at the Regulatory Assistance Project told The Telegraph: 'The UK's clean power target is very aggressive, and my worry is that if we don't get things right, we risk running into the same issues.'

Germany was one of Europe's earliest and most enthusiastic adopters of wind power but recent years have seen a renewed effort to grow this green industry.

These efforts have become particularly pressing after the outbreak of war in Ukraine highlighted the country's dependence on Russian energy imports.

As of November this year, Germany had already added another 2.3 gigawatts on top of a further three gigawatts in 2023.

Likewise, in the first nine months of 2024 energy generated by wind and solar overtook energy from fossil fuels for the first time.

While this is a key step towards the Government's ambition of phasing out coal by 2030, it has left the power grid with some potentially disastrous imbalances.

The overwhelming majority of Germany's wind power generation comes from offshore projects in the North Sea with a few also located in the Baltic Sea.

However, the majority of power energy-hungry automotive and manufacturing industries are located in the southern regions of Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria.

This means that when a steel plant in the south needs to buy electricity, it must be drawn massive distances along the high-voltage transmission 'super highways'.

At times when the wind is blowing strongly and the wind farms are nearing their maximum output, the grid simply does not have the capacity to transfer this much power over such a long distance.

That creates crippling bottlenecks on high-voltage transmissions which prevent power from getting where it needs.

According to grid operator TenneT, grid bottlenecks actually led to the North Sea wind turbine fleet producing less power in 2023 compared with the previous year.

Despite adding more capacity, output actually fell by nine per cent year on year since production has to be curtailed when there is not enough transmission capacity in the grid.

This becomes particularly problematic when companies in southern regions have an agreement to buy renewable energy from a wind farm in the north.

In that case, the grid operator has to step in and pay the energy companies to reduce their production while firing up an alternative power source, usually a coal or gas plant, closer to where the energy is needed.

So-called 're-dispatch costs' amounted to €3.5 billion (£2.9 billion) in 2023 according to Amprion, Germany's largest grid operator.

That was down from €4.2 billion (£3.5 billion) in 2022 when gas supply troubles led to soaring energy costs, but well above the bill from 2021 and 2022 which were €2.3 billion (£1.7 billion) and €1.4 billion (£1.2 billion) respectively.

Likewise, as the growth in wind power outstrips investment in the grid, the amount of energy being wasted has continued to grow.

According to the German Federal Network Agency, grid stabilisation measures led to about 19 terawatt hours of energy being lost in 2023, up from 14 terawatt hours in 2022.

That is equivalent to about four per cent of the country's entire energy production.

Germany's wind power woes have now sparked concerns that the UK might face similar issues under Ed Miliband's plans for a green energy revolution.

Just like Germany, most of the UK's production is clustered in offshore wind farms in the north of the country.

This year, the UK surpassed 30 gigawatts of wind power capacity as the Viking Wind Farm on the Shetland Islands fully powered on.

However, that significant growth in the abundance of clean energy won't necessarily lead to lower bills if re-dispatch costs continue to rise due to grid bottlenecks.

In 2024 alone, the UK has already spent an 'absurd' £1bn to temporarily switch off wind farms while the grid struggles to keep up.

The amount of energy 'curtailed' hit 6.6 terawatt hours in the first 11 months of the year, compared to 3.8 terawatt hours in the whole of 2023.

According to the National Energy System Operator, these costs are on track to hit £6bn by 2030 if nothing is done to improve the grid's capacity.

Andreas Jahn, an energy expert at the Regulatory Assistance Project, says that this shortfall has been linked to a lack of coordination between the four different national network operators, alongside local opposition to building new pylons.

These issues become worse due to 'feed in' from rooftop solar panels which face no penalty for adding to the already conjected power network.

If these issues persist, it could mean that energy providers end up passing on these rising costs to consumers leading to higher bills for all"


It doesn't work. There is a bog difference between fantasy world and the complicated real world. Vote for a party that will end the green fraud.

[‘Bob’]

Solar and wind are the cheapest power source per kWH, but the Fraser Institute won't tell you that.

Bingo Fuel doesn't tell us this....

"Germany's push for wind power is leading to rising energy bills, experts have warned.

Germany has been one of the biggest adopters of wind power, almost doubling its capacity from 38.6 gigawatts in 2014 to just under 70 gigawatts today.

However, chronic bottlenecks in the grid are preventing power from getting to those who need it and driving up the cost of electricity for everyone.

And now, leading energy experts say the same thing could happen in the UK after Ed Miliband is acussed of being 'obsessed' with renewable power.

Almost three-quarters of the nation's wind power projects are located out at sea in the North while its most power-intensive industries are clustered in the South - meaning that electricity must travel the entire length of the country.

When this green network produces more power than the outdated grid can handle, operators often have to pay producers to reduce their output.

Worryingly, as Labour plans for a massive wind power expansion, experts warn that the UK's grid could face similar issues.

Jan Rosenow, an energy markets expert at the Regulatory Assistance Project told The Telegraph: 'The UK's clean power target is very aggressive, and my worry is that if we don't get things right, we risk running into the same issues.'

Germany was one of Europe's earliest and most enthusiastic adopters of wind power but recent years have seen a renewed effort to grow this green industry.

These efforts have become particularly pressing after the outbreak of war in Ukraine highlighted the country's dependence on Russian energy imports.

As of November this year, Germany had already added another 2.3 gigawatts on top of a further three gigawatts in 2023.

Likewise, in the first nine months of 2024 energy generated by wind and solar overtook energy from fossil fuels for the first time.

While this is a key step towards the Government's ambition of phasing out coal by 2030, it has left the power grid with some potentially disastrous imbalances.

The overwhelming majority of Germany's wind power generation comes from offshore projects in the North Sea with a few also located in the Baltic Sea.

However, the majority of power energy-hungry automotive and manufacturing industries are located in the southern regions of Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria.

This means that when a steel plant in the south needs to buy electricity, it must be drawn massive distances along the high-voltage transmission 'super highways'.

At times when the wind is blowing strongly and the wind farms are nearing their maximum output, the grid simply does not have the capacity to transfer this much power over such a long distance.

That creates crippling bottlenecks on high-voltage transmissions which prevent power from getting where it needs.

According to grid operator TenneT, grid bottlenecks actually led to the North Sea wind turbine fleet producing less power in 2023 compared with the previous year.

Despite adding more capacity, output actually fell by nine per cent year on year since production has to be curtailed when there is not enough transmission capacity in the grid.

This becomes particularly problematic when companies in southern regions have an agreement to buy renewable energy from a wind farm in the north.

In that case, the grid operator has to step in and pay the energy companies to reduce their production while firing up an alternative power source, usually a coal or gas plant, closer to where the energy is needed.

So-called 're-dispatch costs' amounted to €3.5 billion (£2.9 billion) in 2023 according to Amprion, Germany's largest grid operator.

That was down from €4.2 billion (£3.5 billion) in 2022 when gas supply troubles led to soaring energy costs, but well above the bill from 2021 and 2022 which were €2.3 billion (£1.7 billion) and €1.4 billion (£1.2 billion) respectively.

Likewise, as the growth in wind power outstrips investment in the grid, the amount of energy being wasted has continued to grow.

According to the German Federal Network Agency, grid stabilisation measures led to about 19 terawatt hours of energy being lost in 2023, up from 14 terawatt hours in 2022.

That is equivalent to about four per cent of the country's entire energy production.

Germany's wind power woes have now sparked concerns that the UK might face similar issues under Ed Miliband's plans for a green energy revolution.

Just like Germany, most of the UK's production is clustered in offshore wind farms in the north of the country.

This year, the UK surpassed 30 gigawatts of wind power capacity as the Viking Wind Farm on the Shetland Islands fully powered on.

However, that significant growth in the abundance of clean energy won't necessarily lead to lower bills if re-dispatch costs continue to rise due to grid bottlenecks.

In 2024 alone, the UK has already spent an 'absurd' £1bn to temporarily switch off wind farms while the grid struggles to keep up.

The amount of energy 'curtailed' hit 6.6 terawatt hours in the first 11 months of the year, compared to 3.8 terawatt hours in the whole of 2023.

According to the National Energy System Operator, these costs are on track to hit £6bn by 2030 if nothing is done to improve the grid's capacity.

Andreas Jahn, an energy expert at the Regulatory Assistance Project, says that this shortfall has been linked to a lack of coordination between the four different national network operators, alongside local opposition to building new pylons.

These issues become worse due to 'feed in' from rooftop solar panels which face no penalty for adding to the already conjected power network.

If these issues persist, it could mean that energy providers end up passing on these rising costs to consumers leading to higher bills for all"


It doesn't work. There is a bog difference between fantasy world and the complicated real world. Vote for a party that will end the green fraud.

I love how the Fraser Institute conveniently forgets to factor in Germany's almost overnight abandonment of nuclear power in their diatribe. Of course energy is going to be more expensive losing that much baseline power generation. Wind turbines probably saved them a ton from what it would be.

Look at anti-renewable places like Alberta and Texas. One has some of the highest utility rates in the country in spite of literally holding strategic energy reserves and the other can't keep the lights on.

[‘Bob’]

This would never have happened with Harper….say what you want, no doubt he commanded international respect.

It would have never happened with Harper because Harper would have immediately agreed to or even orchestrated the tariffs, being the American bootlicker he was.

Read up on the softwood lumber dispute.

Anyways.. it's the rum talking while I escape from annoying relatives. Merry Christmas you filthy animals!

[pelmet]

Solar and wind are the cheapest power source per kWH, but the Fraser Institute won't tell you that.

Bingo Fuel doesn't tell us this....

"Germany's push for wind power is leading to rising energy bills, experts have warned.

Germany has been one of the biggest adopters of wind power, almost doubling its capacity from 38.6 gigawatts in 2014 to just under 70 gigawatts today.

However, chronic bottlenecks in the grid are preventing power from getting to those who need it and driving up the cost of electricity for everyone.


It doesn't work. There is a bog difference between fantasy world and the complicated real world. Vote for a party that will end the green fraud.

I love how the Fraser Institute conveniently forgets to factor in Germany's almost overnight abandonment of nuclear power in their diatribe. Of course energy is going to be more expensive losing that much baseline power generation. Wind turbines probably saved them a ton from what it would be.

Look at anti-renewable places like Alberta and Texas. One has some of the highest utility rates in the country in spite of literally holding strategic energy reserves and the other can't keep the lights on.

Abandoning nuclear is part of the green stupidity. They hate reliable energy. They can't think logically. Nuclear puts out zero carbon but yet they close it down. These people are financially destructive to society. I suspect for some of them, it is intentional, with a demented hatred of capitalism which leads them to promote every destructive policy they can grasp with the intention of blaming capitalism in the end for all the problems. Unfortunately, they are good at influencing the significant percentage of people who make decisions emotionally rather than logically with the results that you see in Germany and here.

Time to stop their destruction over here.

[-42]

Softwood, shmoftwood same argument when I was a mill rat 25 years ago. As far as renewables are concerned who cares? Drill baby drill. YOLO!

[rotorspeed]

Exactly right if this was Steven Harper Trump wouldn't say anything. He's just posturing because he has no respect for Trudeau a complete imbecile, who does. He was probably changing the tampon machine in the mens bathroom when he heard tariffs and rushed to see Trump. What a panzee

[oldncold]

Ok. Lets clarify. Canada sits on the biggest pile of natural wealth in the world that is not a dictatorship (YET). though the political junkies are going to flame away about that.

It is astonishing to me, that we all have not been sent to re-education camps by a dictator because of our pitiful procurement and defense spending . We need a full-time military of 200,000 =0.5 % of current population

The pompous indignity of Canadians to jokes that Donald Trump is saying about Canada are not new.They are nothing that a 100 Canadian comedians have told in comic routines, across the country about our lack of political will for the military for decades. Rusted out museum piece Equipment.

In 1985. The minister of defense had to resign because he went a strip club with members of the airborne staff.. The minister that will give the order to send them into serious combat and likely die ,was having a few beers getting to know his staff.We have been in trouble for 40 yrs. Long before the word 'woke ' had today's meaning > it use to mean waking up from a sleep..

Canada will be occupied, the likely before end of this century. For its resources /unless there is a long term serious political culture shift towards the military in Canada . The question we should be asking is >By who, choosing the best option to be occupied by. Majority of the C.A F. general staff know this, however reluctant to say so in public until retired. ( career limiting in face of a pathetic pacifist gov't and bureaucracy)

Right now. 4 special airborne divisions, backed by airdropped 100 pieces of heavy artillery, strategically placed between Ottawa and Pettawawa , along with air helicopter assets , 50 nex gen fighter jets . to cut off Bagotville and Trenton crater the airfields in the capital and gta region. Ottawa is occupied in 10days or less.

The nightmare for the citizenry is: Will the political idiots screaming DO SOMETHING ( news flash Too fn Late. takes 7years to build an air force 10years a navy and 5 army.) sacrifice B.C. the prairies Or Nova Scotia n east coast to keep Ontario and Quebec whole. Which means a dissimilar asymmetric guerrilla warfare in the rural . For those that wont surrender. very similar to Ukraine Now

Canada founding principles are Peace ,Order, good Govt. well as former president Ronald Regan Said " without secure borders there is no nation" Sadly we are lacking good govt, > order and peace wont survive a conflict . All that social programs spending wont mean Jack.

If you are a law abiding restricted gun owner. who locked n secured now banned list firearms. I would not be in a hurry to return them if you think that since the current govt /future federal govt will not defend you or our country properly. It would very smart to hang on to them . Burry the safe whatever And time to Woke the f.. up to the 2025 reality of the world.

There will always be a dictator willing to role the dice on conquest . But only if the reward is large enough . Due to the trillions $$ of cost of modern war. The bankrupting of a nations treasury.

The only global conflict in today's modern era, that will justify that risk of defeat is the ones with the biggest land mass and pile of national resources wealth > Canada and Russia.

The reason the USA doesn't want to be the global policeman is, Its 36. 6 trillion net federal debt . It cannot afford a major conflict. China knows this Russia too which is why they are co-operating and outbuilding the USA in ships and aircraft. Geo political modeling says USA will be drawn in to 2 regional wars and over extended and that is when the land grab will happen. As the USA withdraws to protect its own territorial sovereignty. What Donald Trump is saying is The USA cannot defend the world without allies helps and he is correct .

In my opinion if it ever comes down to a USA vs China n Russia war over natural resources and it will . Canada will likely be the biggest 'trade deal 'of the century to prevent an all out nuclear exchange.

For Canada it is our lack of political will toward defense. We don't want to invade any one. but we should never allow the ease to which can become occupied as we are today . the and grasp of Geo political , always pretending hoping it will work out .( hope is not an action plan. ) understanding how the human species got to be the top apex / competitor our DNA of the human species to out compete, to punish failure. Reward get to the top of the pile. Our evolution wasn't pretty it was and largely still is violent. Competition for natural resources will continue, sparking conflicts as it has for milliena. It will get worse as the global population increases from todays 8 billion topping 11 billion .

Pacifist socialism flower children and gen2 flower power children free everything the govt saves us.( news flash ; the govt can barely wipe its own ass and charges you 35% taxes and higher for the privilege) that we have voted for since the late 1960's Now have arrived as a nation here so very .weak
2025 will be interesting tariffs and all. Margret Thatcher quote " the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money"
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OK. if I were prime minister shopping list this year 2025 with 36 month delivery > 6 nuclear subs sea wolf class //88 Saab block 'f' grippen fighters with the 'meteor missile system . to compliment the delayed arrival of the f35 and lots of heavy tank Armour to park on the borders . maybe that will get the pause on tariffs .

If you want an astute ,fiscally responsible believe in a affordable pay as you go social safety net not bankrupt 3 gen of yet to be born citizens with federal debt . Put the hardware so people can sing with pride that our country may actually stand chance at survival militarily Prime Minister . I would Definitely be interested but do hurry i don't want be seeking the job at Biden's age. Happy new year. Fly safe

[Me262]

Take any single base in US. That single base has more serviceable aircrafts than the entire RCAF. One single base could wage war in Canada and would probably win.

As a pilot I'd love if we just became part of the US. No more Canadian pesos, quadruple salary overnight, significant more spending power without 40% - 50% deductions and no 8hr wait times in the ER just to be told to take Tylenol and be sent home. I'm sick paying a huge percent on healthcare and not even have access to a family doctor or a specialist appointment that doesn't take over a year to see.

[albertdesalvo]

And nice new guns for everyone!

[-42]

All of the above is true. Taxes are a slaughter fest. Waiting to die for the “free healthcare”(see last comment on taxes), we pay for it anyways and it’s dangerous, filthy garbage. Seems to me over the last decade things have dramatically decreased to 3rd world. I would welcome DJT to take a swipe at Canada. Americans are a weird bunch but the “post nation state” is a cluster anyways. I honestly think the US doesn’t want the headache it just wants the resources close by in case or they would have already grabbed us.

[Launchpad1]

There is another way that doesn't seem to be getting discussed much. Canada doesn't have to cease to exist. There could simply be a BLT (Bilateral Labour and Trade agreement) between Canada and the US. Completely free movement of people and goods and a single currency. Pretty much the same as the Eurozone countries. That would have enormous benefits for both countries.

[cdnavater]

There is another way that doesn't seem to be getting discussed much. Canada doesn't have to cease to exist. There could simply be a BLT (Bilateral Labour and Trade agreement) between Canada and the US. Completely free movement of people and goods and a single currency. Pretty much the same as the Eurozone countries. That would have enormous benefits for both countries.

I like it, get rid of the Canadian peso! Lainchpad1 for Prime Minister, vote for Launchpad1!

[Reinhard]

I, for one, am looking forward to enjoying my first and second amendment rights. I am wholeheartedly in favor of annexation.

[-42]

Eurozone is already imploding. It’s only a matter of time. Borders in the Schengen area are getting more restrictive and If you don’t fall in line with migration policies you get fined. Furthermore if Ukraine gets membership the Union will be forced into a war and the economic situation will get substantially worse by taking on that populous. I would much rather have one United States where I could go escape to if my home town becomes a dumping ground for “sanctuary” like conditions of all sorts.