**** wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:28 pm
Here's a question for airline pilots. If you had to deadstick land an airliner, and you knew there was a concrete wall under the localizer, would you still aim for the runway?
It's certainly the only place without any obstructions. This aircraft touched down well past the halfway point of the runway if I recall correctly. So if you can judge your glide well enough to make contact in the touchdown zone, I would assume you'll come to a stop well before the end of the runway. A LOT 767 performed a gear up landing in 2011 and it came to a complete stop on the runway. This was without any reverse and with a runway having been sprayed with fire suppression foam.
If you're running out of runway but fast enough for some rudder effectiveness, given your scenario, one could argue that that you should try going left or right into the grass. Whichever side is more clear.
The premise was that the crew is aware that there is a concrete barrier at the end of the runway. I specified that if the glide is judged properly, an aircraft should be able to come to a stop on the runway itself. But if they know they won't stop and impact with said barrier is guaranteed, may as well steer away from it if able.
Sometimes a crew doesn't have a perfection option available and they're left with picking the least worst one. I flew in SE Asia for a while and the recommendation at one of the strips was to crash the aircraft into the ditch to the side of it in the event of an engine failure on the T/O and you didn't have enough runway remaining. This was because there was a pretty high cliff at the end of the strip.
**** wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:28 pm
Here's a question for airline pilots. If you had to deadstick land an airliner, and you knew there was a concrete wall under the localizer, would you still aim for the runway?
Where else would you point it? Airports have crash fire rescue available within 180 seconds
An update was supposed to be published that apparently says the crew shut down the wrong engine...which is what some had suspected happened. However the families objected to this and the report was not released.
On Jul 19th 2025 relatives of the victims reported, they have received update information about the progress of the investigation and were shown an interim report in a private meeting, a press conference to present that interim report to media was scheduled afterwards.
The families objected the report in fury. The spokeswoman for the relatives said, that according to the latest findings, though the investigation was still on ongoing, the right hand engine had been severely damaged by the bird strike, said to have been Baikal Teal Ducks (average weight about 1 pound/0.454kg), while the left hand engine was still operational, however, was shut down by the crew. If the investigation takes such a position it should present documents to support that position to convince the families that these conclusions are inevitable, however, they were only given the conclusions and no documents.
Another family said, that they can not accept the board#s report simply blaming the pilot while ignoring issues like the runway slope, the concrete structure at the runway end and possible mechanical defects.
A lawyer for the families stated: "The families did not get an adequate explanation. In fact, depending on how you look at it, it kind of puts all the blame on the dead birds and the dead pilots."
An official told South Korean Media in the wake of this scheduled press conference on Saturday Jul 19th 2025, that the crew should have shut down the right hand engine, but turned off the left hand engine.
The Ministry, following the uproar by the families in the private meeting, collected all copies of that interim report back and stated, the report has not been released. The press conference was cancelled.
Why would victim family object? It can be both the the pilot engine shutdown mistake and the concrete structure that caused the deaths. Without both they would probably be alive.
Jean-Pierre wrote: ↑Tue Jul 22, 2025 2:33 pm
Why would victim family object? It can be both the the pilot engine shutdown mistake and the concrete structure that caused the deaths. Without both they would probably be alive.
I imagine if the airline is not at fault, the lawsuits will not amount to much, suing the dead pilots estate likely a futile effort and suing a government entity in that part of the world would not bear any fruit either.
