Not a Medevac?...Dont call yourself a Medevac..

[Dust Devil]

several YWG ACC controllers then told me this - FILE MEDEVAC FOR YOUR COMPANY EVERY TIME!

Hmmmm I didn't think it was the controllers job to tell you to do this. But I suppose if you like others controlling your aircraft then more power to ya.

[hind sight]

It is simple really.
Going to pick up a sick patient ( not a transfer ) or traveling with a parient call yourselves MEDIVAC.
After the drop of and you are just heading home use the civil ident.
Have some integrity guys and gals.

[bob sacamano]

Off topic, but since manitoba is getting the pounding now, why is the ATIS in YWG 99% of the time two hours old?

Somebody took some of the alphabet magnets off the fridge..............

Seriously, it's not an excuse, but Winnipeg Tower certainly has some staffing issues at the moment.

I's been about 5 years since I left the ATC business, but the last tower I worked in had an automated atis that broadcasted everything on it's own. It didn't need anyone to plug any information in it.

Even if staffing is low, an atis usually takes no more than 2min to put together.

Not complaining, just wondering

[Doc]

An out of date ATIS? However DO you cope? Imagine. Trying to get into a big international airport like YWG without the current..."bird activity in the area...."? I'd suck up the gear, and go to my alternate!

[bob sacamano]

An out of date ATIS? However DO you cope? Imagine. Trying to get into a big international airport like YWG without the current..."bird activity in the area...."? I'd suck up the gear, and go to my alternate!

I'm glad you're done your crying and back to your ever so tough e-attitude.

First it was prop wash, now medivac, let me guess, next is those ferking crews ahead of us drank all the coffee at the esso!

p.s.

[complexintentions]

several YWG ACC controllers then told me this - FILE MEDEVAC FOR YOUR COMPANY EVERY TIME!

Hmmmm I didn't think it was the controllers job to tell you to do this. But I suppose if you like others controlling your aircraft then more power to ya.

What a stupid comment. Of course controllers are "controlling my aircraft" in IFR airspace. I'm still the PIC flying the thing, making the decisions. It's sort of this cooperation thing we have going. Don't worry, you'll get your IFR one day and understand.

As far as the controllers "telling me" to file Medevac, that was the quote verbatim "File Medevac all the time, it makes our life easier". If that's what they want, no problem to me *shrug*. Someone earlier tried to claim they were held up 10 or 15 minutes because of a medevac. I think perhaps they are exaggerating by about 12 minutes. Whatever.

A couple last comments and I'm done with this thread, mainly because I've been done with medevacs for years now and thank god. Because if I had to deal with the hypersensitive, busybody private pilot-types who actually think they can know every factor that goes into a medevac flight, I'd lose my mind. Pedantic bullshit always tires me right out.

This issue has been debated since Christ was a carpenter, and you know what? It always will be. My general advice would be to relax, quit poking your nose into everyone else's operations, and enjoy your own job.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

...sweet...sounds like you just got bitch-slapped Doc!

[grounded]

Three pages of this crap? Are you kidding me? What's next? The way medevac pilots smell? Sorry about that too. This is how this works, when there is a patient on board, we are considered a medevac. When we are going to pick up a patient, we are considered a medevac. When there is no patient and we are just going back to base, we travel under the civil ident. If this is too hard for some to understand, perhaps it's time for a change. Click the following:

http://www.winnipegtransit.com/main/emp ... recruiting

You still get to talk on a radio, but you don't get the option of calling yourself anything. The windows are bigger too.

[CD]

This issue has been debated since Christ was a carpenter, and you know what? It always will be. My general advice would be to relax, quit poking your nose into everyone else's operations, and enjoy your own job.

Or.... don't fly in Manitobia...

[gr8gazu]

Someone earlier tried to claim they were held up 10 or 15 minutes because of a medevac. I think perhaps they are exaggerating by about 12 minutes. Whatever.

Were you there? No? Then take your own advice and stick to your own business rather than forming opinion on something you know nothing about! Ok Dick?

[Hot Fuel]

There’s another side to this medevac topic that I find interesting. There are a number of posters that seem to put a lot of stock into what’s going on in the back, by that I mean the status of the passenger, patient, freight… call it what you want.

I have always thought that to be a dangerous habit to get into...from my perspective the job is to fly the aircraft and not let outside influences cloud the cockpit decisions.

There is a danger knowing what’s going on in back as it has the potential to influence your choices or to take short cuts, all in an effort to shave a minute or two. I think its preferential to be told up front whether its a medical emergency or not and then file and fly the flight plan accordingly.

There can be enough pressure or stress up front, do you really think you need to place more on your shoulders by getting involved on an emotional level.

[niss]

yes, next question

[justplanecrazy]

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[JustVisiting]

Filing "Medevac" is the aviation equivalent to a ground ambulance operating with lights and sirens on. Simple.

A land ambulance DOES NOT operate with lights and sirens on:
- when returning to base empty with no call pending (even in a 1 horse town or in an area of limited coverage).
- when carrying a stable non-critical patient.

You may have noticed that a land ambulance only operates with lights and sirens on when there is a priority medical emergency and they require a clear path ahead because either:
- something very bad is going on in the back;
- it is en route to the scene of something nasty or potentially nasty; or
- it is carrying organs or equipment required for the saving of life.

If I may be so bold, the above explanation should end all current and future debates as to when to file medevac and when not to file medevac. Your medics will assist you in making the correct decision as they are your primary resource.

Someone below me still won't be able to figure it out.

[Flying Nutcracker]

Isn't this a little overboard??? This is starting to sound like the good old days on this forum where some little non-event turns into a 3 page non-productive thread!!!

If you have a policy as a medivac pilot... use it. If you don't fly medevac... well you're stuck in the line up like everyone else! If this is the magnitude of grief in your everyday working environment, I think I'd find something else to do! Maybe call yourself medevac because the captain has gone mental!

[Vref plus 10]

my god, this post is a waste of time that nobody is every going to get back.

I guess if you can't figure out when to call yourself a "medevac" maybe you should re read this waste of space thread (though it did start because somebody was held up for a questionable medevac, it does get annoying after a while, so i understand the dudes grief).

But in reality, I've lost and so have you, more time reading this lame thread about "MEDEVACS" for the hundredth time, then what was lost when this questionable medevac was in the way.

So, because of this time lost, I am now also mad at this so called medevac flight. So why don't you just figure it out your SH*T.

[Spokes]

What I find kinda funny is that almost everyone her I expect is flying because that is what the have always wanted to do. They must really enjoy it to tough it throught the low time lean career phase. Then finaly when they have a reaonably good flying job, they complain about having to fly an extra 5 minutes. Sit back relax, enjoy the good times man.

[niss]

If the patient is in grave danger it is obviously a priority, but if the patient dies once you have established priority should one cancel the priority or cancel medivac?

[Jerricho]

Just to throw a bit of fuel on the fire, a certain Metro operator came in filed as a medevac. The guy sitting next to me on arrival asked "are you a priority?"

The response "We are a medevac."

Hmm............

[Jerricho]

I am either a medevac which is due priority or I am not. There is nothing in between. If there are different levels of medevac that a medevac pilot can read about in an official aviation government document which is applicable to pilots of medevac aircraft, let me know and I'll read and apply it. Till that time look down at your strip and if it says that I am a medevac....why fuking ask me?

Heh How about you read what I posted as to who asked?

I extend to you an open invitation to come and sit on the sector one day and just see how many responses we get of "No, we don't need priority today". Talk about wasting eveybody's time. You wanna explain that one? I totally agree that medevac=priority, then why the hell do we get that as a response brainiac?

Me, I couldn't give a flying f*ck and don't ask the question.......you have that pretty little red cross on your data tag on the radar, I'll quite happily clear the sky ahead of you for the next 100 miles, break noise abatement or bust my balls to get you the inactive and on the ground as quick as possible (I'm guessing you haven't been to the centre of late coz Terminal don't use strips). The fact of the matter is that on occasions the question is asked (for whatever reason) and the respons is "nope, not priority"

The discussion is beginning to revolve in circles. At the risk of sounding insulting, it is the operators that need to get on the same page regarding the use of the medevac callsign. Instead of sounding like a jackass and casting aspersions on ATC, why not ask around some of your pilot buddies as to why the answer "negative".

I will repeat a sentence from earlier in the thread:

IF I YOU FILE AS A MEDEVAC AND I ASK IF YOU ARE PRIORITY YOUR RESPONSE SHOULD BE YES EACH AND EVERY TIME. IF YOU SAY NO, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE FILED AS A MEDEVAC, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT!!!

[niss]

so i guess no one here knows weather or not the medivac is supposed to be cancelled when the patient is dead?

[critical engine]

mmmm good one. However, unless you have a doctor on board who can pronounce, or if the death falls under gross deformity (i.e. can't do CPR cause the guts keep falling out ect) or if one cannot continue with rescue efforts due to total exhaustion, I think the medical crew has to keep all efforts going till they can pronounce. So they still have to defib, and CPR / BVM all the way.

However, if this does happen then maybe we'll just cancel for all you whining babies out there and let you land first so you can feel loved and special.
Honestly I don't care much for this thread, I’m just posting so I can look at my own avatar

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[critical engine]

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[looproll]

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