gli77, you are correct, I know nothing of aviation business per se. Im just a guy with a plane, flying as a hobby (for now). Do I want to know about aviation business? Well, what is "aviation business"? To me, its something like Air Canada, or a smaller charter company, or the many private business for the rich and elite. Do I care about those? Heck no!
I care about my plane, about my flying, about the planes that fly at the club Im with, and GA. Not about the commercial world. The impression I've gotten as I read the replies here are that most of the AMEs here work in the commercial world, fixing probably mid-sized jets and commercial aircraft. They get paid to do an average job, and if it breaks again they get paid to fix it. And obviously, at that level of business, the owner/operator is more concerned about getting the plane back into service rather than knowing whats wrong or how it got fixed.
In the GA world, its not like that at all. We dont have unlimited funds, and we arent heartless. We (I) care about my plane, and I want to know what goes on with it. Especially when I leave it for maintenance. Already my AME has lost the set of keys I left him... -_- He said it was in the bag with the a/c documents, but it wasnt when I picked it up.
Is it so wrong to go down a snag sheet and asking questions? No. Unless as an AME you feel insulted that someone (I) dont trust your work 100% or would like to know more about your work. Heh. In that case, the typical "dont post here" usually applies.
gli77, you suggested going from AMO1 to AMO2 for a second opinion. As much as I'd like to do that, Im not really looking for a second opinion, just more information. And if I were to go to another AMO, I'd get slapped with a labour charge. No thanks. I dont mind paying for maintenance, but Im not going to pay for advice. Which is most likely biased advice anyways. Nah no thanks.
Cat Driver, no one was really helpful to begin with, so I dont really care if I've pissed off some (most?) people. If you're not going to help, IMO, dont even bother talking. That way I dont piss you off, and you dont waste time here? me thinks of twotter mostly. Im sure he's got an aircraft in the hanger he could work on rather than come and complain here.
*shrugs*
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Cat Driver
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Well rfcPilot :
Between Twotter and me we have about 75 years of fixing airplanes and just may understand something about the subject.
And I doubt either one of us will toss and turn and lose sleep tonight worrying about any of this.
Between Twotter and me we have about 75 years of fixing airplanes and just may understand something about the subject.
And I doubt either one of us will toss and turn and lose sleep tonight worrying about any of this.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
It is possible rfcpilot that you don't know how you get the reactions out of this group. Your last post may get a few as your synopsis of the aviation business, GA and some that post, is a bit wacky.
I won't speak for others but in my opinion your posting a snag sheet and looking for us to pick it apart stirs up a professional ethic, for myself anyways. By that I mean that I do not intend to give you free advice on the internet so that you can hassle your AME with it. If in doubt get a second opinion in person.
You do not pay for advice? I wonder how you get medical care, tax advice, legal advice etc etc.
I won't speak for others but in my opinion your posting a snag sheet and looking for us to pick it apart stirs up a professional ethic, for myself anyways. By that I mean that I do not intend to give you free advice on the internet so that you can hassle your AME with it. If in doubt get a second opinion in person.
You do not pay for advice? I wonder how you get medical care, tax advice, legal advice etc etc.
Im sure you both have experience. But the thing is, is it experience fixing some 737 owned by a large airline that just wants the plane back in service or is it experience maintaining Joe's Cessna 172 which he cherishes? Theres a huge difference there. The 737 owner doesnt care what you do most likely. I'd assume they want their aircraft back in service, they want it fixed, and they want your signature so they can sue you if something goes terribly wrong.
On the other hand, I ("I" being an average GA owner) want you ("you" being any AME) to take care of my plane, not to put your feet on the seats, or scratch the paint, or break a plastic panel, or ding the wing, or charge me labour while you're sitting at your desk having a smoke, or charge me for a repair that wasnt needed but you figured you wanted more money. I want you to take care of my plane, I want you to walk me through the maintenance that was done, I want you to answer questions if I have any. And that will keep me coming back to you.
To me, thats a huge difference between commercial and private. I want my AME to treat my plane and me just like he would if it was his most prized possession. Because Im sure you'll agree that any GA AME's most prized possession is his or her clients. If we arent happy, we can go to other AMEs/AMOs.
An AME that wants me to accept his terms, his bills, and his work without question, thats not an AME for me. And sadly that was the typical reply of most here. Which makes me wonder, are most of you commercial AMEs or GA? Because if you're GA... Yikes :S
On the other hand, I ("I" being an average GA owner) want you ("you" being any AME) to take care of my plane, not to put your feet on the seats, or scratch the paint, or break a plastic panel, or ding the wing, or charge me labour while you're sitting at your desk having a smoke, or charge me for a repair that wasnt needed but you figured you wanted more money. I want you to take care of my plane, I want you to walk me through the maintenance that was done, I want you to answer questions if I have any. And that will keep me coming back to you.
To me, thats a huge difference between commercial and private. I want my AME to treat my plane and me just like he would if it was his most prized possession. Because Im sure you'll agree that any GA AME's most prized possession is his or her clients. If we arent happy, we can go to other AMEs/AMOs.
An AME that wants me to accept his terms, his bills, and his work without question, thats not an AME for me. And sadly that was the typical reply of most here. Which makes me wonder, are most of you commercial AMEs or GA? Because if you're GA... Yikes :S
gli77, if you want, you can go find my initial thread here in the maintenance forum. I wasnt saying "heres a snag sheet give me your advice" I was saying more like "I have this problem, what would be a good solution"
Same thing maybe. But taken very differently. Im not looking at picking at someone's work. Im looking at better understanding what's going on. For starters, I want to know. And I also want to make sure I dont get shafted, because from what I hear of other owners around, it happens. Not a lot, but it does. And from me working in the computer industry, I know it happens A LOT there. About 90% of computer users are rather "dumb" when it comes to computers and maintenance and will believe what the shop tells them and charges them. And thats what I want to avoid.
As for the advice thing. Medical advice, well, I assume you mean a trip to the doc. I guess saying provincial health care covers doesnt really count. But then again, that different. Tax advice, never got any. Law, well, havent had a need for that yet and Im hoping not to have to for a while. Maintenance, Im already paying (in my case) 50 bucks an hour for you ("you" being an AME) to fix something on my plane. I'd assume if I had questions about the work you did, you wouldnt charge me for that. Heck if you did, I'd definitely not take that.
Asking for advice on the internet? Hardly reliable, but sometimes you get that one good person willing to help out. Its free, you get what you "pay for". But then again, what is a world if the we dont share knowledge?
Same thing maybe. But taken very differently. Im not looking at picking at someone's work. Im looking at better understanding what's going on. For starters, I want to know. And I also want to make sure I dont get shafted, because from what I hear of other owners around, it happens. Not a lot, but it does. And from me working in the computer industry, I know it happens A LOT there. About 90% of computer users are rather "dumb" when it comes to computers and maintenance and will believe what the shop tells them and charges them. And thats what I want to avoid.
As for the advice thing. Medical advice, well, I assume you mean a trip to the doc. I guess saying provincial health care covers doesnt really count. But then again, that different. Tax advice, never got any. Law, well, havent had a need for that yet and Im hoping not to have to for a while. Maintenance, Im already paying (in my case) 50 bucks an hour for you ("you" being an AME) to fix something on my plane. I'd assume if I had questions about the work you did, you wouldnt charge me for that. Heck if you did, I'd definitely not take that.
Asking for advice on the internet? Hardly reliable, but sometimes you get that one good person willing to help out. Its free, you get what you "pay for". But then again, what is a world if the we dont share knowledge?
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Cat Driver
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Boy, you sure have a strange insite into aircraft mantnance, so just to set things straight Twotter and I are in general aircraft maintenance.
Oh, I used to own a AMO and a fleet of light aircraft in the flight school so believe it or not I do understand how to fix a light aircraft....
But you seem to have a good grasp of what you want so have at it tiger.
Oh, I used to own a AMO and a fleet of light aircraft in the flight school so believe it or not I do understand how to fix a light aircraft....
But you seem to have a good grasp of what you want so have at it tiger.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
I never judged for a second the ability to fix a plane from anyone here. Although I do judge the ability of some of you for dealing with the owner of that plane. Because that plane doesnt belong to you, it belongs to the owner. If you cant keep the owner happy, you dont get the work on the plane. And if that happens to too many owners, the AME could have a hard time staying in business if he depends solely on privately owned aircraft.
Now, If you work with club aircraft, thats almost similar (in my eyes) to working with a commercial fleet (and in some respects, it IS working with a commercial fleet). And I know at the club I work at, the operator there wants the airplanes fixed as quickly as possible so they are available for rental/training. That a paint scratch, dent, dirt-on-seat, or any of that happen, doesnt matter. Cant blame them, the people renting the planes really dont care for the aircraft. Which is sad. But at the same time, if they took care of the planes, I wouldnt have a job there.
But as you said, I have a "strange insight" into aircraft maintenance. Personally, Im told I have a unique view on a lot of things. I just believe things should be done with more TLC (towards plane and pilot for example) and less $$$, and not the other way around.
Now, If you work with club aircraft, thats almost similar (in my eyes) to working with a commercial fleet (and in some respects, it IS working with a commercial fleet). And I know at the club I work at, the operator there wants the airplanes fixed as quickly as possible so they are available for rental/training. That a paint scratch, dent, dirt-on-seat, or any of that happen, doesnt matter. Cant blame them, the people renting the planes really dont care for the aircraft. Which is sad. But at the same time, if they took care of the planes, I wouldnt have a job there.
But as you said, I have a "strange insight" into aircraft maintenance. Personally, Im told I have a unique view on a lot of things. I just believe things should be done with more TLC (towards plane and pilot for example) and less $$$, and not the other way around.
Come on ... You're selling us short here, it's more like 85 years..Cat Driver wrote:Well rfcPilot :
Between Twotter and me we have about 75 years of fixing airplanes and just may understand something about the subject.
And I doubt either one of us will toss and turn and lose sleep tonight worrying about any of this.
And yes rfc, while I do have a fair bit of experience in larger airplanes, including many endorsements up to widebodies, I am a pilot/engineer on smaller float aircraft and look after a number of light airplanes for friends who are private owners. Including Cat Driver..
The one constant in your threads rfc, is that you are so worried that an AME might actually be doing his or her job for the purpose of making money. Let me ask you this, how did you pay for your airplane? Of course I'm trying to make money, I've got teenage kids, a wife who spends too much, and other bills just like everyone else. So why would I not be doing it for money? Should I give you free maintenance just because you are such a great guy and have such a stellar personality? I'm sure you do the same at work.
If you had not come out disrespecting AME's you may have had a more favourable response. You would be surprised how many people read these forums and I would not be at all surprised if the guy who runs "your" AMO has read this and scratched you off the customer list.
Just curious, as you mentioned earlier that you do not even own a car, how do you get to the airport?
Anyhow, good luck with your airplane. Just try to lose the attitude towards AME's.. You will find it's much easier to work with them than if you treat them like assholes.
I put all my money into flying. That includes not owning a car. I bus to the airport.
While yes Im sure all AMEs wouldnt be doing what they are doing if they didnt get paid, theres a difference between getting paid and really "making money". Im sure you've done it twotter. Some poor chap's annual comes by, and you decide to replace a part that is still good, just so you can get more money from selling the piece and get a little bit more labour money.
I've heard of quite a few AMEs do it and I trust it. Mostly because of the type of job. In the computer repair industry it's the same. Replace a part and give the customer a BS excuse. If the customer isnt very knowledgeable or bright, he'll buy the BS given to him by the AME or the computer repair technician. I worked in the repair shop before.
"Does it look new? Can we box it and sell it to him new?" (the tech)
"5 hours of labour?!?" (the customer) "Yes, you had a lot of viruses" (the tech) Well, in this case, running anti virus on a computer is a matter of clicking a button and then letting the computer do the rest itself.
Those two cases were something my boss in the computer repair business had pulled off to get more money. He'd gotten more labour money from the second, and from the first, sold a used part as new.
Again, twotter you complain about my attitude. Have you checked yours? Have you checked that of those around you? I seem to recall my first post being fairly nice. Even in this thread. But if I get poor replies, why be nice to those people?
While yes Im sure all AMEs wouldnt be doing what they are doing if they didnt get paid, theres a difference between getting paid and really "making money". Im sure you've done it twotter. Some poor chap's annual comes by, and you decide to replace a part that is still good, just so you can get more money from selling the piece and get a little bit more labour money.
I've heard of quite a few AMEs do it and I trust it. Mostly because of the type of job. In the computer repair industry it's the same. Replace a part and give the customer a BS excuse. If the customer isnt very knowledgeable or bright, he'll buy the BS given to him by the AME or the computer repair technician. I worked in the repair shop before.
"Does it look new? Can we box it and sell it to him new?" (the tech)
"5 hours of labour?!?" (the customer) "Yes, you had a lot of viruses" (the tech) Well, in this case, running anti virus on a computer is a matter of clicking a button and then letting the computer do the rest itself.
Those two cases were something my boss in the computer repair business had pulled off to get more money. He'd gotten more labour money from the second, and from the first, sold a used part as new.
Again, twotter you complain about my attitude. Have you checked yours? Have you checked that of those around you? I seem to recall my first post being fairly nice. Even in this thread. But if I get poor replies, why be nice to those people?
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tiny
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So because I do most (but not all) of my work on aircraft that are not GA that means I don't understand an owners concern for his toy? Do you think the owner of the charter a/c that I work on cares less for his multi million doller investment?
Show some respect for those many AMEs who work hard in the interest of safe flight and perhaps you to could earn some respect. It has to go both ways.
I enjoy working for anyone who wants their a/c maintained properly. I would be more concerned about someone nickle and dimeing on parts than on my wage. As an AME on many types of a/c large and small, I have a personal interest in safe flight. I go to work early and stay late and break my back so that when that aircraft leaves my hanger I would literaly bet my life that it is safe for flight. To suggest in a blanket assumption that AMEs only care about money and not about the aircraft itself is a foolish and uninformed demonstration of ignorance.The 737 owner doesnt care what you do most likely. I'd assume they want their aircraft back in service, they want it fixed, and they want your signature so they can sue you if something goes terribly wrong.
Show some respect for those many AMEs who work hard in the interest of safe flight and perhaps you to could earn some respect. It has to go both ways.
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Cat Driver
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Before we get to serious about critisim from rfcPilot maybe we should take another look at his level of understanding the world around him generally.
I would like to draw attention to this by rfcPilot from another thread.
So maybe we should just take the inexperience of this poster into consideration before we get all agitated at his ignorance of the world around him.
I would like to draw attention to this by rfcPilot from another thread.
Anyone who thinks that Northern New Brunswick is the end of civilization is very limited in their understanding of the rest of the planet." crazymax, to answer your question though, last summer I flew to the Maritimes and that was a thrill to me. Although for the most part there was no danger aspect, it was still a thrill, and there was still a danger, flying in Northern New Brunswick where civilization is pretty non-existant, or flying over Confed Bridge over to PEI, or flying low in Cape Breton and the Cabot Trail. "
So maybe we should just take the inexperience of this poster into consideration before we get all agitated at his ignorance of the world around him.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Hi Cat Driver: If you add me to you and Twotter, we are now up to 125 years. Most of it in light GA aircraft. But what do we know huh?Cat Driver wrote:Well rfcPilot :
Between Twotter and me we have about 75 years of fixing airplanes and just may understand something about the subject.
And I doubt either one of us will toss and turn and lose sleep tonight worrying about any of this.
tiny, then I'd really like to know why two of my questions have resulted in the "stop being a penny pincher"I would literaly bet my life that it is safe for flight. To suggest in a blanket assumption that AMEs only care about money and not about the aircraft itself is a foolish and uninformed demonstration of ignorance.
If you read the two threads, simple questions are asked. And the reply is "go waste money" Pretty much.
Most notably, twotter, seems more concerned about a pilot spending money on an AME than to educate a pilot whom asks questions. If thats the case, I dont care how many years of maintance he (or AMEs with the same attitude) have, because its not worth a dime to me.
The amount of experience you guys are totaling up means dick all to me. If you as an AME cant help me, you're rather useless to me, and showing off wont help or change my mind.
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I’m hoping you’re so young your still living with your parents. I suspect this is true because you still haven’t figured out that people not only choose careers based on what they like to do but also to make money. How do you think your parents put that roof over your head? Just because you think 90% of the people that walk through your door are dumb and can be ripped off does not mean every profession does this, there are always individual exceptions to that.
You insult twotter by saying your sure he has ripped people off by changing parts just to make money and you even go on to insult professional pilots because they get paid to fly! That’s one I still can’t figure out, explain to me how they don’t really fly?
I suspect you cause these types of reactions in your everyday life and haven’t figured out why people react this way to you. You know your unique view!
Your original post was fine there is nothing wrong with self education on the maintenance of your aircraft and advice on here is free. But you will not get good advice form people you insult, and you insulted a lot of people.
I think Cat Driver could be right and Darwin may have the final say.
You insult twotter by saying your sure he has ripped people off by changing parts just to make money and you even go on to insult professional pilots because they get paid to fly! That’s one I still can’t figure out, explain to me how they don’t really fly?
I suspect you cause these types of reactions in your everyday life and haven’t figured out why people react this way to you. You know your unique view!
Your original post was fine there is nothing wrong with self education on the maintenance of your aircraft and advice on here is free. But you will not get good advice form people you insult, and you insulted a lot of people.
I think Cat Driver could be right and Darwin may have the final say.
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Wow- what a pot full of shite this all turned into- HA HA, As an AME in both GA and Comercial avaition for 30 years, I have always given honest answers to honest questions. Anyone who would fairly and unbiasedly read my response to this new owner would recognize that most of my comments turned the course of the corrective actions required back towards work for the AMO/AME ie: have your AME clean the plugs: if oil fouling, have the problem fixed: if you don't have a spin on filter have the oil changed every 25 hrs. - so what gives.
A properly educated owner will gladly pay to follow good advice- But rfc, just beacuse computer guys are rip off artest doesn't mean AMO's are.
A fair question should get a fair answer, but a customer that challanges everthing he is told is one that gets shown the door. Believe me there is NOT enough money in this buisness to put up that kind of crap. And if your AMO is only charging you 50 bucks an hour he must be some retired dude that doesn't have a mortgage to pay for- The local lawn mower shop charges $70/ hr, and if we as AME/AMO's weren't such a bunch of nice guy's dedicated to avaition we would all be charging the same>bunch of dumb ass's we are!!
A properly educated owner will gladly pay to follow good advice- But rfc, just beacuse computer guys are rip off artest doesn't mean AMO's are.
A fair question should get a fair answer, but a customer that challanges everthing he is told is one that gets shown the door. Believe me there is NOT enough money in this buisness to put up that kind of crap. And if your AMO is only charging you 50 bucks an hour he must be some retired dude that doesn't have a mortgage to pay for- The local lawn mower shop charges $70/ hr, and if we as AME/AMO's weren't such a bunch of nice guy's dedicated to avaition we would all be charging the same>bunch of dumb ass's we are!!
Old enough to know better, too young to quit
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teh_flyguy
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Am i the only one thinking that some guy that does not own a car because he piles his money into aircraft aquisition and takes the bus around town has no business owning an airplane?
rfcpilot, you sir are a penny-pincher, and by your own admission are a con and struggling to hold on to your dream that has prevented you from owning a car. To assume AMEs change perfectly good parts to make more money is ludicrous, ever try working on some little POS puddle jumper? Having worked both large commercial and GA, give me the big ones any day, they are MUCH easier to work with. No AME in their right mind will subject themselves to additional long hours and physical pain to bill you for a component replacement that is not required, it is nothing like changing a PC component. Although I am glad you think every AME and AMO is out to screw you, aviation is a small world and your registration will get passed across the nation on the naughty list very quickly, believe me. Case in point I dealt with a C210 years ago that I was given a heads up on a couple months earlier through a contact 2 provinces over. Best part was the cheap-ass has a gear failure coming in, so after successfully pumping it down his engine quit on short final. I generated a list 2 pages long that deemed the aircraft unairworthy after a brief inspection, and after the owner was informed he jumped back into it in the middle of the night and flew to the next major center and hit up another AMO. The lawsuit that followed was nothing short of hilarious, the guy left a trail halfway across the country and tried to sue everyone that encountered the plane. Needless to say the AMEs walked away laughing while the owner was slapped with some MEGA fines. rfcpilot, keep it up, we have all dealt with owners like you, and we all know what happens to them. Not to mention we are a small group and well networked within the industry. Just give it time, you'll see. Soon you will be wishing you had bought that car instead.
rfcpilot, you sir are a penny-pincher, and by your own admission are a con and struggling to hold on to your dream that has prevented you from owning a car. To assume AMEs change perfectly good parts to make more money is ludicrous, ever try working on some little POS puddle jumper? Having worked both large commercial and GA, give me the big ones any day, they are MUCH easier to work with. No AME in their right mind will subject themselves to additional long hours and physical pain to bill you for a component replacement that is not required, it is nothing like changing a PC component. Although I am glad you think every AME and AMO is out to screw you, aviation is a small world and your registration will get passed across the nation on the naughty list very quickly, believe me. Case in point I dealt with a C210 years ago that I was given a heads up on a couple months earlier through a contact 2 provinces over. Best part was the cheap-ass has a gear failure coming in, so after successfully pumping it down his engine quit on short final. I generated a list 2 pages long that deemed the aircraft unairworthy after a brief inspection, and after the owner was informed he jumped back into it in the middle of the night and flew to the next major center and hit up another AMO. The lawsuit that followed was nothing short of hilarious, the guy left a trail halfway across the country and tried to sue everyone that encountered the plane. Needless to say the AMEs walked away laughing while the owner was slapped with some MEGA fines. rfcpilot, keep it up, we have all dealt with owners like you, and we all know what happens to them. Not to mention we are a small group and well networked within the industry. Just give it time, you'll see. Soon you will be wishing you had bought that car instead.
I think CID said it right. I ask a question, someone insults me, you bet I'll do the same. So no, no one here really deserves an apology from me 
fixorfukit, everywhere, AMEs have a lower rate than car mechanics. And it makes sense. For the most part, AMEs work on 30 year old aircraft with 40 year old engines. Your car mechanic has to work on that new 2006 Buick of yours with power doors, a/c, steering, ABS, and all this new stuff. That requires a little bit more training, hence a higher rate. Not to mention that everyone drives a car, not everyone flies a plane.
teh_flyguy... since when did owning a car become mandatory? Really. What you said there is really retarded. Maybe you live in the country, the boonies, or just some hole in the middle of nowhere. But in the city, you'll find that as much as half the population can use city busses as a regular means of transportation. Why? That way we dont have to pay for a car, or car maintenance, or gas, or even more, high parking passes for downtown. Why do all that when a bus ride is much cheaper? Think.
To assume AMEs change perfectly good parts... Well I never said it was a perfectly good part. But it wasnt something that needed changing. And its not an assumption. Its more, pilot talk at the local club. Deny it all you want. I dont give a shit at this point.
I've yet to really encounter an AME in here thats been really friendly or useful here, it seems everyone has demanded monetary compensation for advice. Personally, if I ask a question (and you'll note in a polite fashion) and the general population here cant give a right answer... seriously, you're not worth anything to me. I really dont care that you have your network. From what I see here, I dont care that you dont want to service my aircraft, I certainly dont want you to touch it!
fixorfukit, everywhere, AMEs have a lower rate than car mechanics. And it makes sense. For the most part, AMEs work on 30 year old aircraft with 40 year old engines. Your car mechanic has to work on that new 2006 Buick of yours with power doors, a/c, steering, ABS, and all this new stuff. That requires a little bit more training, hence a higher rate. Not to mention that everyone drives a car, not everyone flies a plane.
teh_flyguy... since when did owning a car become mandatory? Really. What you said there is really retarded. Maybe you live in the country, the boonies, or just some hole in the middle of nowhere. But in the city, you'll find that as much as half the population can use city busses as a regular means of transportation. Why? That way we dont have to pay for a car, or car maintenance, or gas, or even more, high parking passes for downtown. Why do all that when a bus ride is much cheaper? Think.
To assume AMEs change perfectly good parts... Well I never said it was a perfectly good part. But it wasnt something that needed changing. And its not an assumption. Its more, pilot talk at the local club. Deny it all you want. I dont give a shit at this point.
I've yet to really encounter an AME in here thats been really friendly or useful here, it seems everyone has demanded monetary compensation for advice. Personally, if I ask a question (and you'll note in a polite fashion) and the general population here cant give a right answer... seriously, you're not worth anything to me. I really dont care that you have your network. From what I see here, I dont care that you dont want to service my aircraft, I certainly dont want you to touch it!
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tiny
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Read my first post on this topic. I tried to be nice, then you started tearing me down in other topics of which you know nothing about. Generally if pilots have honest questions I try and help out. As I said previously an informed pilot is a better pilot. But when you assult my integrity, question my ethics and suggest that I don't know what I'm talking about then I don't really feel like helping with answers any more. If you really think the AMEs on this forum don't care or know about GA aircraft then why do you require our opinions?
All that said sharing knowledge is good but running people down isn't going to encourage an sharing.
What a load of uninformed nonsense. Lets look at something simple: if a car mechanic doesn't tighten the oil drain plug after changing the oil, the oil leaks out and the driver pulls over and calls the tow truck. If an AME left the oil drain plug loose and the oil drain out in flight the plane may crash. Now who would you prefer to be better trained? To change the oil in a car you need no training at all. To change the oil in a simple airplane you need four years of training.AMEs have a lower rate than car mechanics. And it makes sense. For the most part, AMEs work on 30 year old aircraft with 40 year old engines. Your car mechanic has to work on that new 2006 Buick of yours with power doors, a/c, steering, ABS, and all this new stuff. That requires a little bit more training, hence a higher rate.
All that said sharing knowledge is good but running people down isn't going to encourage an sharing.
People, I don't know why I allowed myself to get sucked into this rediculous conversation against my own advice.
DO NOT BOTHER REPLYING TO THIS TROLL, I'M SURE RFC AND CID ARE PROBABLY THE SAME PERSON. IF YOU THINK YOU CAN HELP, DON'T BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, IT WILL BE WRONG AND THIS PERSON WILL TRY TO AGRIVATE YOU AND STIR UP SHIT FOR YOUR EFFORTS. JUST IGNORE THE THREAD AND LET IT GO AWAY AND HOPEFULLY THE TROLLS GO WITH IT.
Hopefully end of story
DO NOT BOTHER REPLYING TO THIS TROLL, I'M SURE RFC AND CID ARE PROBABLY THE SAME PERSON. IF YOU THINK YOU CAN HELP, DON'T BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, IT WILL BE WRONG AND THIS PERSON WILL TRY TO AGRIVATE YOU AND STIR UP SHIT FOR YOUR EFFORTS. JUST IGNORE THE THREAD AND LET IT GO AWAY AND HOPEFULLY THE TROLLS GO WITH IT.
Hopefully end of story
tiny, I dont recall at all running you down. In fact, I dont remember running anyone down, UNTIL those people decided to be less than appropriate.
Im sure I had "honest" questions and while I may have gotten "honest" answers, the first ones were less than stellar or prefessional, IMO.
For your example of the oil though, agreed, a car breaks down, in almost any senario (not just oil) the driver pulls over. In an airplane, you hope the pilot was either a glider pilot or that he remembers forced approaches, provided the terrain cooperates. But changing the oil on an airplane (read: GA airplane) hardly requires 4 years training. CARs even states a pilot can do the oil change him/herself.
Sharing knowledge IS good. But it seems some of the people here think asking a question is an attack on the brotherhood or something. Else I kinda get the impression of "pay up if you want some knowledge" Which is no good.
Im sure I had "honest" questions and while I may have gotten "honest" answers, the first ones were less than stellar or prefessional, IMO.
For your example of the oil though, agreed, a car breaks down, in almost any senario (not just oil) the driver pulls over. In an airplane, you hope the pilot was either a glider pilot or that he remembers forced approaches, provided the terrain cooperates. But changing the oil on an airplane (read: GA airplane) hardly requires 4 years training. CARs even states a pilot can do the oil change him/herself.
Sharing knowledge IS good. But it seems some of the people here think asking a question is an attack on the brotherhood or something. Else I kinda get the impression of "pay up if you want some knowledge" Which is no good.
twotter you keep replying and it never is the end of the story rofl!
If you're really so concerned you have two options:
A) Shut the @#$! up
B) Get a moderator involved
And I dont know how many times Im going to have to try and get this through your thick skull... me and CID Are NOT the same person..
oh this is fun.
If you're really so concerned you have two options:
A) Shut the @#$! up
B) Get a moderator involved
And I dont know how many times Im going to have to try and get this through your thick skull... me and CID Are NOT the same person..
oh this is fun.
