why ATC should have a aviation back ground

[FamilyGuy]

Is this horse dead yet?

Well just in case it ain't there is a really good read in this quarters ASL about ATC/Pilot communication. I let some young computer whiz post the link...

Anyway bottom line it highlights what alot have been saying, (including invertedattitude ) about what resources are available to a pilot who clearly asks for them ( normally via declaring an emergency - that' really clear).

Hope CD don't read this - it was written by a TC guy. (no I don't think they want you to declare so they can investigate you - seriously )

[tesox2]

Good thread, minus the moron who started it.

[KAFUFO]

Good thread, minus the moron who started it.

Careful who you call a moron tesox.

after all your the reason CRAP exists

[Cat Driver]

Well after reading this the only suggestion I can give you ATC guys is if KAFUFO tells you he has had a vacuum failure, in his case it means the wax in one or both of his ears has melted and let he lost the vacuum between his ears.

Hows that for the " Cat's " first post on your forum?

[grimey]

Cat, should I be happy I dropped out after the first page or not?

I think it's fairly safe for me to say thanks from all the ATS guys for your support. May or may not have been needed, though.

[the_professor]

I seem to recall a particuarily bad accident where if the pilot had told ATC that he was bingo fuel, with a couple serious inop systems, and shooting a tight approach to minimums, and could not miss the approach, ATC might have offered up a PAR approach (ATC's area of expertise that maybe the pilot didn't know existed) - perhaps he would have likely made it on the first try and not crashed on the second attempt when the engines quit.

Let's not dance around the issue. There are 10,000 Google pages in the public domain for this. You are referring to Mark Tayfel, convicted of criminal negligence causing death, Keystone, Winnipeg.

Keeping ATC in the dark was a contributing factor in this accident, and there's no reason to think he deserves anonymity.

[scrambled_legs]

What was Mark's sentence?

Well after reading this the only suggestion I can give you ATC guys is if KAFUFO tells you he has had a vacuum failure, in his case it means the wax in one or both of his ears has melted and let he lost the vacuum between his ears.

Hows that for the " Cat's " first post on your forum?

Not bad Cat, not bad

[grimey]

What was Mark's sentence?

2 year conditional sentence, 240 hours of community service, and a curfew.

http://www.canada.com/globaltv/winnipeg ... e89c31&k=0

[scrambled_legs]

Can he still fly commercially?

[Oscar J.]

Control 1 airplane = pilot
Control 20 airplanes = Air Traffic controller

Controller knowledge of the a/c he'll be controlling is great, but knowing how the pilot does it...TRIVIAL!

OJ

[KAFUFO]

OJ your a quick one arn't you?

any chance you work in YWG?

[grimey]

KAFUFO, every pilot, controller, and FSS in this thread has called you an idiot. Do you work for Keystone?

[scrambled_legs]

Maybe he just drinks Keystone... a lotta Keystone.

[Braun]

lol

[Cat Driver]

I'm surprised at you ATC types, I have always admired your cognitive abilities.....but making fun of KAFUFO borders on taking advantage of the simple minded.

[KAFUFO]

please cat, your trying to attack a guy who in the cockpit is listening to amatures (YWG specific) make decisions while there making decisions on airplanes that they know nothing about. I've been on a 5 mile final for 31 restricted to 2500 asked if I could LAHSO 36 I said yes. after a looong pause I got cleared for the decent at which time I was to close to hold short so I got the cleared to 3000 and contact 119.9 WTF why do I want to climb secondly WTF do you ask me if I'm capable of something your not going to give me and third WTF are you thinking sticking AC infront of a A/C with medivac status.

these are the reasons I pull out my hair

a tip to all controllers in YWG a kingair can LAHSO on 31 not so sure about a turbo dildo and I don't care to find out

Jericho Is the KEG offer still on the table????

[scrambled_legs]

The ignorant fog you live in could probably be somewhat remedied by a visit to the ACC.

Ignorant fog, seriously??? But Kafufo is continuing to achieve more and more respect with his every post, and all the other pilots out of YWG are backing him, so he must be right.

[KAFUFO]

Your right everyone flying out of YWG thinks your the most professional/efficiant controllers they have ever come across

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 68&t=41233

[Jerricho]

KAF, the LAHSO "chart" that we have available to us listing the Stop Groups is far from comprehensive, but it states for us who can and cannot hold short within the declared distances on 18 (Group 4), 31 and 13 (Group 2). I'm fairly sure one of those shiny new Cirrus SR20s could hold short of 18/36 when landing on 31, but it's not on there. I've seen SW4s vacate at V no worries, but they're listed as a Group 3.