Pilots say they feel pressure to cut back on fuel

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Re: Pilots say they feel pressure to cut back on fuel

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Small Pen,

Avianca, crashing in New York, would've been saved by another 10 minutes of fuel. Unforseen arrival delays got them into that mess. That could've been a dispatcher who doesn't know that New York is sometimes a clusterfuck.

Dispatchers pick the fuel amount, but pilots have the experience to know when they need more. Flying to Toronto, arriving at rush hour, weather is forecast to be down, you want to take more fuel. Your alternate is London. Dispatcher gives you 20 minutes of fuel to hold, but what he's not thinking about is that if you're not getting in, no one else is, either. Guess where their alternates are, too? London, probably. So, now the traffic that was meant for Pearson, is now showing up at London. London isn't meant to handle the same amount of traffic that Pearson does. This equates to more holding.

The problem isn't that pilot's are always asking for more fuel. The problem is that when pilots determine that they don't have enough, for reasons similar to the ones given in the preceding paragraph, they have to damn near get into a verbal fistfight with dispatch to get it. 98% of the time, there is no problem going with minimum required fuel. My goodness, my flights now are no alternate IFR more often than not now! There's no problem with that, but if the potential exists for there to be delays and changing weather, there should be no argument with dispatch to get an alternate, and to get more fuel.

Thats all.

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Man, I sure am glad penguins can't fly, especially small penguin. IT seems to be a good fit for penguins.

Stick to what you know and leave the rest to others who do know. :wink:
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Re: Pilots say they feel pressure to cut back on fuel

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I dont fly? oh.

I do fly, but I dont drive a bus ;)
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Driving buses are boring, I agree - I drive 'truck' instead.
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Re: Pilots say they feel pressure to cut back on fuel

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Small Penguin, I just read this thread beginning to end, the whole thing, and I have to say you're wrong. Just wrong. Further, you don't know what you're talking about.

You don't have enough data.

Nobody does, unless they actually work in the cockpit.

Your last post says it all. You say you fly but you don't drive. That's what you don't get. Here's the truth, which you'll hate -- unless you're at the controls, you don't fly at all. You ride.

People in the back... they ride, they don't fly.

Sorry.

KH

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Re: Pilots say they feel pressure to cut back on fuel

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I said I fly. Sports car with wings. I dont "drive". Greyhound bus with wings. Was the point I meant to say. ;)

[edit]My whole point was... It took the fatal crash of a small twin for the FAA to review passenger weights, to find out the world is putting on the pounds, and review their average weights.

Maybe it takes the crash of an airliner* before they again realize their fuel reserve numbers need to be revised.

*With major fatalities and not caused by the stupid decision of the flight crew to circle an airport on fumes waiting to land.
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Re: Pilots say they feel pressure to cut back on fuel

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How are continous desent approaches "new" as that article implied? We've been doing them for years on the freight side of things.
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