Boeing 737NG simulator seeking pilot...

[Jonsey]

The stab trim light is actually not installed there in the NG. I think it's replaced by the STAB OUT OF TRIM light that is on the captains side above the inbound DU.

I think it signals that the commanded position and the actual position of the stab do not agree.

[alphatango]

Hi Jonsey,
Thank you for a such quick answer...
It would make sense... I did not see anything else on the 737-200 showing when you are out of trim while on the 737-800 (my sim) there is a light "out of trim" on the MIP (main instrument panel)
What say the FCOM...
"Stabilizer Out Of Trim (STAB OUT OF TRIM) Light
Operates only with autopilot engaged. Remains extinguished with autopilot
engaged.
Illuminated (amber) – autopilot not trimming stabilizer properly."
If it is exact I could remove this light from the throttle as my sim is a 737-800 and the throttle are 737-200...
I am almost convince this is exact but do someone else could confirm?????
Thank you again,
Al

[Jonsey]

They are very similar so you can remove that light and path up the hole and that would be fine. The only other thing that I notice is that the 200 TOGA (Takeoff/Goaround) buttons are different. On the 200 they are big buttons that you can clearly see in your picture there. On the NG they are small hidden buttons just forward of the throttle handles themself...

[alphatango]

Like those I built...
If you drop a look on the throttle on my site
http://www.sim-737ng.com/throttle/throttle.htm

you will notice I built this new model... Unfortunately it is not possible to modify these 200 version exactly like the real one 737-800... But it will be worthy to have real one in my sim...
Once more thank you Jonsey...
Al

[alphatango]

Ouuuuppssss sorry...!
You will see better the buttons on that photo...
Al

[rightseatwonder]

again... you BUILT this??!?

[alphatango]

Yes and this is working actually on my sim...
If you visit my site you will see all details on the built.
Al

[Jastapilot]

dude, that's incredible! One thing to add, since you seem to be into the finer details, is there's a kind of guard switch on the stab trim switches. I can get a picture if that helps.

[alphatango]

Hi Jastapilot,
I knew there were guards on these switches but as it was impossible to find it in the "regular" market, I forgot the idea of installing them...
Thank you for your suggestion...
Al

[alphatango]

Hi all...
Two new questions here...
- After setting the FMC if the V2 for example shows 140 knots, do you set the MCP speed at 160 (140 + 20) or simply 140 knots and the system will calculate the security by adding 20 knots?
- When in the air when you push on the rudder pedals does it make the Nose Wheel steering moving? In revers, on the ground when you move the Nose wheel steering does it make the rudder pedals moving?
Thank you,

[roger.roger]

no one has the time to go fly this machine?

[alphatango]

Most of pilots are from west part of Canada and closer from Montreal. So when they are in Quebec it's always for a short period of time... I think it is the reason...

[Intentional Left Bank]

MCP speed is set at V2. FD will provide guidance for V2+20, both engines operating. The reason MCP speed isn't set to V2+20 is that in the event of an engine failure, pilot would fly (and the FD would command) a minimum of V2, or the maximum speed attained, up to a maximum speed of V2+20 to 1000 AGL before bugging up. In such an event, bank angle would be limited to 15 degrees until above V2+15, then be reset to default.

With regards to the NWS system, no and no.

The Quebec City layovers are coming to an [seasonal] end on Apr 15, unfortunately. This fall when they recommence, I hope alphatango will be so kind as to give me a tour.

[Jastapilot]

- When in the air when you push on the rudder pedals does it make the Nose Wheel steering moving?

No, because when the nosewheel gets retracted I believe there's a lockout that would prevent movement in the nosewheel bay. I'm not positive though if the gear is still extended, but probably not, but it wouldn't matter anyway. When you're flying, except for a strong crosswind landing, you really aren't putting much more than 'pressure' on the pedals. Any nosewheel movement would be negligible anyways.

In revers, on the ground when you move the Nose wheel steering does it make the rudder pedals moving?
Thank you,

If you're in reverse, you should be at min reverse thrust by 60 kts, and stowed by taxi speed. You should not have your hand on the tiller until taxi speed(under 20 kts), so you'll always be on the rudder pedals when in reverse.

On a side note, when taxiing and you do your control check(with the rudder pedals), you will have to counteract the nosewheel turn with the tiller, and the tiller will override the rudder pedals. A good finesse move is to do the control check when using the tiller to make a turn, then you won't have any nosewheel movement that way.

[alphatango]

Intentional Left Bank,
Thank you for these infos...
So I understand that there is a speed gap protection between V2 speed and stall speed. I appreciate greatly those explanations about the procedures during an engine falure...
About the NWS movement, I do not remember where I saw that when you moved the rudder pedals it made moving the nose wheel steering handle and vice versa... I probably saw that on a video, but maybe it was in a sim video...
So i understand that when on the ground if you move the NWS handle it does not move the rudder pedals and when in the air (let say with gears down) if you move the rudder pedals it does not make the NWS handle moving...!
For sure you may come to have a tour any time. So if you visit Quebec before the fall season, please let me know... It could be fun for you and very helpfull for me!

Jastapilot,
Thak you also for your comments...
When I said "in revers" I should have say "in opposite..." This is the result of my poor english...
The reason for my interrogation about the movement of the Nose Wheel Steering Handle and the ruder pedals is that I have to connect the NSWH to a potensiometer like I did with the rudder pedal to be abble to control the aircraft on the ground. But if they always move together in same time I would not need to add this new potentiometer but instead to link the NSW and the rudder pedals all together, what would be much more easy for me to do!BTW I did not understand what you were explaining by here...
"On a side note, when taxiing and you do your control check(with the rudder pedals), you will have to counteract the nosewheel turn with the tiller, and the tiller will override the rudder pedals. A good finesse move is to do the control check when using the tiller to make a turn, then you won't have any nosewheel movement that way."
This is because of my poor english... Could you explain other way????
Thank you,
Alain

[Jastapilot]

On the taxi out, the pilots do a control check, usually while moving. The FO does ailerons and elevator, and the captain tests the rudder movement. I believe the rudders can command about +/-3 degrees of nosewheel movement on the ground, so when moving, and the captain performs the rudder check, if the captain doesn't override the nosewheel with the tiller, the plane will turn. So, when on a straight-away, and you do the rudder check, it's tough to keep it straight when using the tiller, but, if you are initiating a turn using the tiller, do the rudder check then. The tiller input overides anything you do with the rudder, so you won't feel any force on the tiller when doing the rudder check. Hope that clears it up.

[alphatango]

Jastapilot,
This is very clear now. Thank you very much for your help. Appreciated!
Hope we could meet in a close futur...
Al

[Four1oh]

you still feel the pressure on the tiller when you do the control check in the turn, but the plane won't want to swing back and forth like it does when you're straight.

[alphatango]

Hi For1oh,
How are you?
Thank you for your comment...
If you remember my english in a little poor... So, do you mean that if you turn the tiller wheel in a position (let say on the left) it will stay in this position until you reposition it in the center? There is no "auto return" like on the rudder pedals?
Al

[Jastapilot]

The tiller auto-centers.

[alphatango]

Muchas gratias...

[ng78]

Hey AP, that's absolutely incredible! I'm not sure if you've heard of Horizon Aviation in Toronto, but they have also built a 737 NG simulator. In this case they used the nose cone of an old United 737. Check them out at http://www.horizonaviation.ca/

[alphatango]

Hi NG78,
Thank you for your message. And no I did not know this one. I know a lot of private cockpit builders (mostly from Europe) but I had never seen this one. It is a commercial one so maybe this is the reason why. BTW very nice setup with some real 737 parts...
The biggest difference with my sim is the external view. For now I cannot afford this king of material (3 projectors), because a little too much expensive for a private passionnate builder as I am. Maybe later!!!!
thanks
Al

[alphatango]

Once more, a new question for you... lucky real pilots...
I am looking to buy 2 real FMC's panels for my sim...
I have the choice between 2 different setups. The first is with the N1 LIMIT button the second with NAV/RAD button in place of the N1 button.
My question... Does it exist in real with this NAV/RAD button??????
So, waiting for your answer...
Al

[Four1oh]

the Westjet NG's have the N1 limit button!