Can you legally continue the flight ...

[square]

No, not "fair enough mag check," the guy is speaking in idiot. Don't listen to him. He is quite simply one hundred percent wrong. Stop talking to people that fly airplanes right now.

[flyinthebug]

LOL! ok square, they are all yours
/me kicks some sand and goes home.

[Cat Driver]

Come on out here and we will cover up the airspeed indicator and see if we can fly the thing safely.

Oh dear blessed Jesus if I cover up the airspeed indicator will I be in violation of some regulation and TC will finally bust me?

[B-rad]

Someone PLEASE tell me that I'm not the only one that understands that angle of attack is what is important.

Mag check, I agree completely with you and understand what you are saying here. Angle of attack is the important factor. The ASI can help you determine as far as how much room/speed/lift or whatever you want to call it you have left before the stall and in a VFR flight as a skilled pilot you could be able to use many other clues to help you determine this as well. I believe this is actually one of the major points talked about in Wolfgang Langewieshe's book "Stick and Rudder" that gets such high reviews from so many AvCanadians.

As you mentioned before, stick position is one of the ways during a glide/approach to determine how close you are to a stall and to be able to fly safely. As we gain experience flying we start to understand which clues to listen to and what to look for but on the other side of the coin, I do like having an airspeed indicator for the information it helps me with and be able to fly "by the numbers" that I have been trained to.

[foxmoth]

OK i get it, finally. it was a reneactment of some flight (the famous Wop May/Vic Horner one???)
guess my reading is poor.
Still, this thread has convinced me I never want to fly with anyone posting on it.
You guys could not stay on topic long enough to do a takeoff cheklist and get me into the air.
you are all toast!
no, its worse could not do a taxi check and get me off the ramp!

[swordfish]

cat advises:

I am also available for marriage counseling and advice on social diseases.

Not bad for an old coot...

[Check Pilot]

This thread is getting really stupid.

So ya don't need an ASI eh?. In 1929 spurs were banned from cockpits too. That rule eventually disappeared. The rules for VFR equipment didn't change though. The rules still said you needed a working airspeed indicator all the time.

Then somebody makes comments on some other thread here about some sleazy Operator that wants you to fly with "snags" and everyone goes nuts about those sleazy operators that are trying to pressure the pilots because they're too ignorant to stand up for themselves and won't fly because something is broken. Then somebody says the rules that require an ASI are stupid and you should know because you're some kind of better hero pilot than that.

Begeezus, that's the kind of attitude that drives me nuts.

If you lazy idiots would get those iPod's out of your now deaf ears and throw your Blackberry's in the ditch and just sit down and figure out how come we have these so called "stupid" rules came to be in the first place maybe you'd understand.

Obviously some of you here don't have the time, motivation or inclination to do that. If you stumbled out of High school with a minor ability to read or write the English language, you might be able to understand why the rules were put in place. Not that today's teachers have time to even care about that kind of work ethic though. - That's another off topic thread somewhere however. -You lazy idiots can't even score a zero in school any more because the teachers can't justify their laziness either so you should feel good about everything too.

cn;t reed cmt spel, cdan;t add, dosent mitter duz it?

CAR's - what are those? - Cant read them anyways. I'm just a pilot after all.

When the hell do people these days have to take care of themselves? Not anymore, it seems.

So the rules have said for a long time ago say you have to have to have an airspeed indicator. If you said it's stupid to have a rule that says that, you are free to go to some sleazy operator that agrees with you. Go and fly without one then. Just MEL it and it'll be fine. I'm sure your maintenance guy will go along with it when the boss says it's O.K.

With your newfound zero ability to read or think for that matter, the rules are just some kind of weirdo mystery, aren't they? Just go and do what the boss wants. You are free to go flying with junk equipment that may or may not get you dead on the next trip.

That's up to you bunky. Just keep your pathetic work ethic to yourself.

And then wind up in a crash just like another thread leads you to that mentions criminal convictions because you just wouldn't listen or learn.

I can only hope that your mother comes running out of the doghouse and bites you on the lower leg.

[B-rad]

This thread is getting really stupid.

You're right. And I feel slightly dumber after reading through your post.

[Cat Driver]

Check pilot you can get help for your problem, Schick Shadel hospital in Seattle has a program that may help you.

[foxmoth]

yeah, Cat but his problem is dumb pilots. Does this place youthanize pilots???

Check Pilot you largely right, have to say.

[Cat Driver]

Foxmoth, the issue is quite simple.

An airspeed indicator is a legal requirement.

Just because the airspeed indicator is in the airplane does not mean it will work properly at all times.

Should you have a failure of the airspeed indicator at any phase of a given flight you should be able to safely fly the airplane and land it when able and get it fixed.

Ranting on and on about sleasy maintenance is throwing a red herring into a simple issue......the best maintained of airplanes can develop airspeed problems for many reasons.

[foxmoth]

agreed, Cat
i just have a problem with 'pilots' who say ASI is not 'necessary' and float off on fancies about
angle of attack blah blah. maybe these people never had a total electic failure in imc.
and yu are right. boil it down, it is not a maintenance issue. the more stuff (redundant) i have, the happier I am.

[mag check]

agreed, Cat
i just have a problem with 'pilots' who say ASI is not 'necessary' and float off on fancies about
angle of attack blah blah. maybe these people never had a total electic failure in imc.
and yu are right. boil it down, it is not a maintenance issue. the more stuff (redundant) i have, the happier I am.

For the last time;

If you guys could read, you would know that I said the ASI is important in IMC conditions.
I have stated this in more than one post.

You can blah blah blah me all you want, but I will stand my ground on angle of attack.

If aircraft were required to have AOA instruments, then you would see the base to final stall spin fatal crashes stop overnight.

It is very simple, the ASI is REQUIRED by law to be in the aircraft.

If you look back to my original post, you will see that I answered the question asked, and gave my reason for my answer. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

For some reason, most people here seem to be oblivious to aerodynamic principals, and feel that an ASI is some all knowing instrument.

IMO, and I will repeat, IMO, an ASI is a handy instrument, but I believe that it is possibly the second most unreliable gauge on the dash, after the fuel gauge.

There are too many variables to know if what you are looking at is correct.
It will NOT give you an accurate stall speed, it will NOT give you an accurate VMC, it will NOT even give an accurate cruising speed.
So what will it give you? Some semi-accurate structural speeds, VNE, VFE, etc. which may not even be relevant for the aircraft.

Pilots who fixate on an ASI end up like the ones that crashed the 757 off Cuba.
They kept pulling the power back, and pulling the nose up, because a plugged port was telling them they were overspeeding. No point in actually thinking about how a plane flies, just stare at that ASI, it will save you.

Get real.


Cat, if your counsuling includes some time on the water, sailing, then count me in

[Cat Driver]

Cat, if your counsuling includes some time on the water, sailing, then count me in

You mean in this toy?

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e353/ ... C00240.jpg

When I traded flying for a living for this life style it was better than getting rid of a chronic case of the clap.

It was not the flying that I found unpleasant it was the mindless crap that I had to endure as the industry became more dumbed down.

[mag check]

Yes I mean that

We are in the middle of a pretty hard winter, so it's been quite a few months since our sail boats have got wet.

Any time you need a sail trimmer, let me know.

[mag check]

Cat, if your counsuling includes some time on the water, sailing, then count me in

You mean in this toy?

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e353/ ... C00240.jpg

When I traded flying for a living for this life style it was better than getting rid of a chronic case of the clap.

It was not the flying that I found unpleasant it was the mindless crap that I had to endure as the industry became more dumbed down.

Just noticed ., why are you motoring in that sweet breeze?

[Driving Rain]

http://www.avcanada.ca/albums/displayim ... fullsize=1

Love an AoA. Once you go AoA, you don't ever want to go back.