I just don't get it..some explain?

[Jastapilot]

Keith's Red? Is that a Cabernet?

[tonysoprano]

....it is on WJ.

[Jaques Strappe]

Complex

Just curious, does this config not set off any alarms in the Emb? Post-Cali, the Boeing will give a master caution if the autothrust comes up with speedbrake up.

The airplane is not that sophisticated.

[Brick Head]

Complex

Just curious, does this config not set off any alarms in the Emb? Post-Cali, the Boeing will give a master caution if the autothrust comes up with speedbrake up.

The airplane is not that sophisticated.

If any of these things happen with the spoilers extended, the spoilers will retract, you get a spoiler disagree message and the wing picture pops up on the status page and shows an amber spoiler.

180kts or less
flap 2
thrust above XX. Can't remember the number. Must be above 50% n1 though.

To regain the spoilers you must select the spoilers back to up. Then redeploy them. This one is new. Don't know with what load but I know it wasn't always this way. I remember an FO doing a GA from the FAF, unstable, in the sim with the auto thrust off (yeah auto throttles). When he pulled back the thrust the spoilers redeployed. He crammed the power back up and and they retracted. Repeat at least twice.

The cali scenario would not happen on the emj. The spoilers would auto retract and let you know with a spoiler disagree message.

Anyway went into LAX last week. High, flap 1, assigned 180kts. Tripped the 180kts retraction limit. Spoilers would not work once speed above 180kts. Had to retract then redeploy. Did it twice to make sure.

Jaques. I'm starting to believe they do stuff between loads they don't tell us about.

That was a joke. you and I maybe the only ones who get it.

[Old fella]

....it is on WJ.

Somebody told me WJ is a "beer quaffing" airline especially on those AT charters they do to southern destinations from the maritimes. At least in a B737-800 ya can unload a jug or two of Keith's(which I intend to quaff at CYHZ with the other lads/lassies of the bunch) unlike, say Tony, your connector airline that has that certain twin jet built in Canada with 50X4.

[complexintentions]

Hey MURRAY, I hear if you say something enough times, it makes it true! lol

Points to ponder:

-I hate paxing through LHR. But I'm pretty sure YYZ would do no better if they were trying to process about 40 million more pax than the place was designed for. I'd still rather operate into LHR over YYZ any day of the year. The controllers just seem more professional. Maybe it's the British accents?
-I'd way rather hold at LAM for 8 minutes and be given a precise EAT followed by a constant descent angle approach to landing than multiple large speed changes, level-offs, and runway switches.
-Toronto is an ok city, but London is well...LONDON! 'Nuff said.
-This thread has absolutely sweet F all to do with your Quixotic defense of the GTAA.

toodle-pip and cheerio and all that!

[Old fella]

.......... a blimey chaps, sod Picadilly Circus, it's off to the pubs. Too right, wot!!!!!

[Jaques Strappe]

Hey Murray


How many times have you actually flown an airplane into LHR or ORD, NRT or LAX perhaps? What makes you an authority on their product over the pilots who have been flying in and out of these facilities for years? I commend the way you stand up for yourself and your colleagues at YYZ ATC, for the most part, a very professional group. If however you actually had the opportunity to fly around the world and experience these other facilities, accents aside, you just might get a better perspective as to why so many pilots complain about YYZ. I don't understand why you get really wound up about this and make it personal each time someone criticizes YYZ.

[complexintentions]

hi MURRAY!

1. I offered a comparison between London and Toronto because you work for Toronto ACC and you posted an article criticizing London. If you're going to do so, don't act so surprised that comparisons are made. I mean, I like Toronto, but as a city it's hardly London.

2. An ATC delay is only one component of the departure/arrival delay suffered by passengers. Am I really explaining this to you? Your own article states that 15% of the delays are due to ATC. So the 8 minute hold at LAM is perfectly representative. Guess I was just part of the 85%. Your comment about the EAT doesn't even make sense - there is no relationship between what Heathrow considers a delay and the ability of London Control to offer an accurate EAT.

3. I'll continue to offer my opinion - and state it as such - regarding YYZ ATC as long as I am availing myself of their services. Guess what, you're actually in the service business. Apparently this is news to you. Your own opinion of other ATC units worldwide would carry more weight if you had actually used them and could offer more than news articles and statistics to support your "dissenting opinion". The president of BA knows more about operating into LHR than line pilots? Does the president of NavCanada know more about daily operations behind your scope in your ACC than you? Really?

And what exactly were you dissenting? The fact that London offers track miles to fly? Gimme a break. If the best you can say about YYZ is "London is worse", then your defense is pretty weak.

[mcconnell14]

hey.. there my idea's are starting to come about the airline industry... well at least my point number 1..which is really the only one they can control.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525623,00.html